RFK assassin Sirhan Sirhan may be paroled soon

woolfe9998

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Parole board has recommended his parole. Evidently Gavin Newsome must sign off on it first or he stays put.

He's served 53 years and is 77 years old. Both RFK's sons think he should be released.


Should Newsome let him out or not? He's unlikely to be a danger to anyone anymore but does it send the wrong message to let him out?

PS: RFK Jr. is a shitbag who can go fuck himself, but that doesn't mean he's wrong about this.
 
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trenchfoot

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It seems to me it doesn't matter if he stays in jail or not, Sirhan will never be able to run away from himself. In this way no matter where he goes, he's virtually imprisoned. It's not like he'd ever think he'd gotten away with murder or was forgiven just because he got "pardoned". He may as well be a known carrier of five of the worst diseases known to man knowing full well he is reviled and cast out from society.
 

nickqt

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Someone could, and probably has, made the argument that minus this piece of shit murdering RFK, the country and the world might be on a much better timeline.

Why are we letting him out? Because he's old and we don't want to pay for his healthcare?
 
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Jaskalas

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How was execution not the sentence?
If the family says to release him, I would not argue against it. They would know better than anyone else, perhaps.
 
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How was execution not the sentence?
If the family says to release him, I would not argue against it. They would know better than anyone else, perhaps.
It was:
He was sentenced to death after his conviction, but that sentence was commuted to life when the California Supreme Court briefly outlawed capital punishment in 1972.
 
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IronWing

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How was execution not the sentence?
If the family says to release him, I would not argue against it. They would know better than anyone else, perhaps.
It was. The California Supreme Court abolished the state's death penalty in 1972 and applied the decision retroactively to all death row inmates.
 

Zorba

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Let him out if he agrees to do the same for Jr.

Otherwise fuck it, let him die in prison. It's okay to use prison as a punishment, especially for something like this.
 
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sportage

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Just when I thought the world had gone as insane as it possible could....

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Besides, this was probably a mob hit. Stuff we'll probably never know about "the assassin".
 

pmv

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Law should just take its course, as for anyone else.

I don't envy the guy if he does get out - he's going to be harassed and pursued by conspiracy theorists for the rest of his life.
 
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Someone could, and probably has, made the argument that minus this piece of shit murdering RFK, the country and the world might be on a much better timeline.

Why are we letting him out? Because he's old and we don't want to pay for his healthcare?

If he wanted to stay in jail for that sweet free healthcare he could have simply not filed for parole.
 

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While I certainly feel for the family that was against his release, one has to ask if those same family members have ever actually talked to SIrhan? How can you choose to make a decision to keep someone incarcerated for 37 years, without actually speaking with him? Sounds a lot like vengeance, and not re-education and rehabilitation. Not a very Christian thing to do I'd say.

Perhaps if it's about vengeance, these society elites could pay for keeping him in prison from their pockets.

I, for one am glad that Sirhan gets a chance to redeem himself and perhaps even get to contribute something useful to society. Of course, if he screws up (any serious crime), he'll have proven that he should be locked up forever.
 

hal2kilo

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Someone could, and probably has, made the argument that minus this piece of shit murdering RFK, the country and the world might be on a much better timeline.

Why are we letting him out? Because he's old and we don't want to pay for his healthcare?
He will be on Medicare if he isn't already. I don't think medical care for prisoners is a good as you might imagine.
 

pmv

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Someone could, and probably has, made the argument that minus this piece of shit murdering RFK, the country and the world might be on a much better timeline.

Not convinced of that. Though I admit the case that it would have made a positive difference seems significantly stronger than for his brother.

Nevertheless, Sirhan is 77 years old, for God's sake, he probably won't live much longer. Can't seem him reoffending. Would at least send a message that the US criminal justce system isn't obsessed with vengeance to the point of complete derangement.
 

nickqt

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Not convinced of that. Though I admit the case that it would have made a positive difference seems significantly stronger than for his brother.

Nevertheless, Sirhan is 77 years old, for God's sake, he probably won't live much longer. Can't seem him reoffending. Would at least send a message that the US criminal justce system isn't obsessed with vengeance to the point of complete derangement.
I'm not going to say there isn't an argument for letting him out. That said, I'm not a huge fan of letting someone who assassinated a sitting Senator also running for President out of prison at any point. Let's just say I had something to say and did, and beyond that I'm not going to be upset at how it all works out.
If he wanted to stay in jail for that sweet free healthcare he could have simply not filed for parole.
I'm fairly certain he doesn't want to stay in prison, nevermind the healthcare.
He will be on Medicare if he isn't already. I don't think medical care for prisoners is a good as you might imagine.
I understand how Medicare works and I'm also well aware that prison healthcare isn't great. Notice I didn't say that ol' Sirhan Sirhan wants prison healthcare.
 

pmv

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It's weird, now I think of it, how 'political assassinations' seemed to be partly just a fashion in that era. As if the killing of JKF just gave people the idea that it was something you could do. People don't go in for it so much any more, as if it's just fallen out of fashion, like tie-dye clothing. Sirhan's contribution to the genre seemed particularly senseless.

Very annoying that he apparently says he now "can't remember" shooting RFK, because it it would be interesting to really know what he was thinking, how he came to conclude it was a useful thing to do (particularly given that _every_ US politician is 'pro-Israel', because the populace is pro-Israel, so what good was killing RFK supposed to do, from the perspective of an angry Palestinian?).
 

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I have some mixed feelings about this...

I don’t believe premeditated murder should be "parolable". The murder of a candidate for office is an assault on democracy itself. A textbook political assassination. He should never draw a free breath, even if it’s his last, IMO. But, if the family involved has made peace and is ok with it. Fine. I also understand the argument that he is 77 years old and we need the room for all these young premeditated murderers.

If he is released but not deported, would he be safe? He isn’t actually a US citizen, parole him and immediately deport him. let them pay for taking care of him
 

Thump553

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I have some mixed feelings about this...

I don’t believe premeditated murder should be "parolable". The murder of a candidate for office is an assault on democracy itself. A textbook political assassination. He should never draw a free breath, even if it’s his last, IMO. But, if the family involved has made peace and is ok with it. Fine. I also understand the argument that he is 77 years old and we need the room for all these young premeditated murderers.

If he is released but not deported, would he be safe? He isn’t actually a US citizen, parole him and immediately deport him. let them pay for taking care of him

Totally agree with your sentiments. It is quite likely that if RFK was not murdered he would have been elected President in 1968 rather than Tricky Dick. That would have made a huge difference in the trajectory of the USA-for one thing, Vietnam would have ended years earlier (and many thousands less US deaths). The culture war started by Nixon and so ably fostered by Reagan and especially Trump would have been much lesser.

I don't care what any particular family members think. This murder was an attack on the USA and this guy should be in prison for all his life at a minimum.

As far as deportation goes, I'm not an expert in that field But it is my understanding we must have a country willing to accept him before he can be deported.
 

VRAMdemon

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Totally agree with your sentiments. It is quite likely that if RFK was not murdered he would have been elected President in 1968 rather than Tricky Dick. That would have made a huge difference in the trajectory of the USA-for one thing, Vietnam would have ended years earlier (and many thousands less US deaths). The culture war started by Nixon and so ably fostered by Reagan and especially Trump would have been much lesser.

I don't care what any particular family members think. This murder was an attack on the USA and this guy should be in prison for all his life at a minimum.

As far as deportation goes, I'm not an expert in that field But it is my understanding we must have a country willing to accept him before he can be deported.

As I understand, he is still a Jordanian citizen, although his family left that country in 1956 when he was twelve years old. He did not obtain US citizenship before his arrest. Allegedly there are several Arab countries willing to accept him. At his hearing, Sirhan said he would be residing in Los Angeles with his brother if he was released. He might not have a choice in the matter.
 

Thump553

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As I understand, he is still a Jordanian citizen, although his family left that country in 1956 when he was twelve years old. He did not obtain US citizenship before his arrest. Allegedly there are several Arab countries willing to accept him. At his hearing, Sirhan said he would be residing in Los Angeles with his brother if he was released. He might not have a choice in the matter.
If they do, it will probably end up like when Britain released the PamAm bomber on humanitarian grounds. He received a hero's welcome upon return to Libya. No doubt Sirhan Sirhan would be likewise received. The hatred of USA is so great in large parts of the Mideast is that many think whatever makes the US look bad is good for them.

Hopefully the governor stands up to this boneheaded idea.
 

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I'm not big into conspiracy theories at all, but there do seem to be unresolved discrepencies around just who did what in the RFK assassination.