[reuters 5-18-14] Intel CEO promises Broadwell on shelves for holidays 2014

[Fjodor2001]

Quote: "Back to school - that's a tight one. Back to school you have to really have it on-shelf in July, August. That's going to be tough."

To me that means September or October.

So "tough" always means one or two months later by some standard definition? Maybe "tough" is an SI unit I'm not aware of?

To be honest, you're just guessing. He has not confirmed anything beyond what has already been stated, i.e. 2014H2. In fact it's leaning more towards Q4 now, since the only promise he makes is that some models will be here in time for the holiday season (i.e. November or December).

 

[witeken]

So "tough" always means one or two months later by some standard definition? Maybe "tough" is an SI unit I'm not aware of?

To be honest, you're just guessing.

Of course I'm guessing. But you won't say it's going to be "though/tight" when in fact it's going to be released in November.

He has not confirmed anything beyond what has already been stated, i.e. 2014H2. In fact it's leaning more towards Q4 now, since the only promise he makes is that some models will be here in time for the holiday season (i.e. November or December).

Before this post, we didn't know anything beyond H2, now we know it must be quite shortly after July/August.

 

[blackened23]

So "tough" always means one or two months later by some standard definition? Maybe "tough" is an SI unit I'm not aware of?

To be honest, you're just guessing. He has not confirmed anything beyond what has already been stated, i.e. 2014H2. In fact it's leaning more towards Q4 now, since the only promise he makes is that some models will be here in time for the holiday season (i.e. November or December).

You really want to go down this "guessing" road with your recent anti intel post history? Needless to say, for some posters concerning intel it's always an overly unrealistic pessimistic view, but i'd say if Brian K is suggesting that could have almost made school season and will definitely make holidays, the answer is somewhere in between.

Of course we could also throw guesses out there, much like the suggestion that Broadwell would be PCIE 2.0 only.

The gist I get is that they couldn't quite get school season, but are completely 100% confident about holiday season. He also stated it won't be last minute of the holiday season, it will be the earlier portion. What that means, i'm not 100% sure, but I do think that it isn't unreasonable to believe that Sept - Nov are reasonable. Or it could be December if we take the pessimistic view. Id on't know. But I still think it stands to reason that they will get the much earlier part of the holiday season. That's not a fact set in stone, but I I wouldn't say anything about guessing. Something about throwing stones in glass houses.

 

[Fjodor2001]

Like I said, it's still 2014H2. The only news is that he narrowed down the window from July-December to September-December. I.e. he's pushing the release towards the later part of H2.

 

[mikk]

I'm curious as to whether the U/Y core i5's will have Iris Pro as a graphics option. I don't think Iris Pro will be limited to a sole halo SKU as it was with Haswell.

U+Y won't have Iris Pro as an option with Broadwell. With Skylake there is a U- 2+3e option.

 

[IntelUser2000]

Not sure if this includes desktop LGA processors, but I view it as exciting nonetheless.

Another leak suggests the following launch schedules:

Broadwell Y 2:2 - November/December 2014
Broadwell U 2:2 - December/January 2014
Broadwell U 2:3 - March/April 2015
Broadwell "everything else" - July/August 2015

That suggests one possibility why they are suddenly upping the specs of Devil's Canyon chips. We won't see a refresh until a year later.

Also, it makes it highly unlikely that we'll see Skylake-K before Q2/Q3 2016.

I don't think Iris Pro will be limited to a sole halo SKU as it was with Haswell.

Haswell doesn't either. Iris Pro has few SKUs. Now if you mean by target market segment...

Well Broadwell is showing 2+3e now.

I still think Broadwell without "e" designator will have significant improvements. The U chips are not bandwidth limited, and the Broadwell iGPU likely is more bandwidth efficient.

So "tough" always means one or two months later by some standard definition? Maybe "tough" is an SI unit I'm not aware of?

Consider the entire thing Brian said, and put it in perspective.

http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/05/18/us-intel-chips-idUSBREA4H08P20140518

I can guarantee for holiday, and not at the last second of holiday

What the heck is holiday? Christmas. He's saying he'll get it there by holiday, emphasizing by saying it won't be the "last second" of holiday.

"Back to school - that's a tight one. Back to school you have to really have it on-shelf in July, August. That's going to be tough."

This is pretty clear too. Intel does not directly sell to consumers, they sell to what they call "customers", who are manufacturers that implement systems based on their chips. Think HP, Dell, Apple, Lenovo, etc.

Customers will take time to implement. Hence the time gap. Back to school is September. That suggests Intel needs to send chips to customers 1-2 months before sales date. If they send to customers at September, we'll see systems available to buy by October/November.

You get it now?

 

[Arachnotronic]

Another leak suggests the following launch schedules:

Broadwell Y 2:2 - November/December 2014
Broadwell U 2:2 - December/January 2014
Broadwell U 2:3 - March/April 2015
Broadwell "everything else" - July/August 2015

That suggests one possibility why they are suddenly upping the specs of Devil's Canyon chips. We won't see a refresh until a year later.

Also, it makes it highly unlikely that we'll see Skylake-K before Q2/Q3 2016.

Haswell doesn't either. Iris Pro has few SKUs. Now if you mean by target market segment...

Well Broadwell is showing 2+3e now.

I still think Broadwell without "e" designator will have significant improvements. The U chips are not bandwidth limited, and the Broadwell iGPU likely is more bandwidth efficient.



Consider the entire thing Brian said, and put it in perspective.

http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/05/18/us-intel-chips-idUSBREA4H08P20140518

What the heck is holiday? Christmas. He's saying he'll get it there by holiday, emphasizing by saying it won't be the "last second" of holiday.

This is pretty clear too. Intel does not directly sell to consumers, they sell to what they call "customers", who are manufacturers that implement systems based on their chips. Think HP, Dell, Apple, Lenovo, etc.

Customers will take time to implement. Hence the time gap. Back to school is September. That suggests Intel needs to send chips to customers 1-2 months before sales date. If they send to customers at September, we'll see systems available to buy by October/November.

You get it now?

Looks like Intel solved its little problem of having the "E" processors much later than the "K" processors. Instead of skipping a gen on E, delay the mainstream ;-)

 

[witeken]

Another leak suggests the following launch schedules:

Broadwell Y 2:2 - November/December 2014
Broadwell U 2:2 - December/January 2014
Broadwell U 2:3 - March/April 2015
Broadwell "everything else" - July/August 2015

That suggests one possibility why they are suddenly upping the specs of Devil's Canyon chips. We won't see a refresh until a year later.

Also, it makes it highly unlikely that we'll see Skylake-K before Q2/Q3 2016.

BK already stated that Skylake will be a 2015 product, and the recent Skylake leaks support that. If your 'leak' suggests a Q2/Q3 2016 launch for Skylake, it's most likely wrong.

Consider the entire thing Brian said, and put it in perspective.

http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/05/18/us-intel-chips-idUSBREA4H08P20140518

What the heck is holiday? Christmas. He's saying he'll get it there by holiday, emphasizing by saying it won't be the "last second" of holiday.

This is pretty clear too. Intel does not directly sell to consumers, they sell to what they call "customers", who are manufacturers that implement systems based on their chips. Think HP, Dell, Apple, Lenovo, etc.

Look at the entire thing? The why did you ignore BK's comment of July/August being tight? And if he mentions things like back to school, to me that means July/August products for consumers, not HP, Apple, Lenovo, etc.

Customers will take time to implement. Hence the time gap. Back to school is September. That suggests Intel needs to send chips to customers 1-2 months before sales date. If they send to customers at September, we'll see systems available to buy by October/November.

You get it now?

We'll see.

BTW, from Intel Q1 conference call:

"[...] as we qualify those first 14-nanometer products towards the end of the quarter."

 

[Idontcare]

This is going to make Q3 extremely rough on Intel and on a lot of their OEMs.

Back to school sales will be tough (slow) to build momentum in the channel and in retail with everyone (supply chain wise, not end-user) knowing the next-gen mobile stuff for laptops and tablets (who buys a desktop for back to school these days?) is coming right around the corner in Q4.

I bet a lot more people are going to be willing to "limp through" first semester with whatever device they already plan to use to "limp through summer" just so they can get a much improved BW-based product at xmas and go back to school for spring semester with that instead of a haswell-refresh device.

 

[AtenRa]

This is going to make Q3 extremely rough on Intel and on a lot of their OEMs.

Back to school sales will be tough (slow) to build momentum in the channel and in retail with everyone (supply chain wise, not end-user) knowing the next-gen mobile stuff for laptops and tablets (who buys a desktop for back to school these days?) is coming right around the corner in Q4.

The vast majority of Laptop customers will not even know what Broadwell is and they will buy a Haswell or Haswell Refresh Laptop for Back To School

That is, OEMs will have Haswell Refresh Laptops ready for Q3.

 

[Idontcare]

The vast majority of Laptop customers will not even know what Broadwell is and they will buy a Haswell or Haswell Refresh Laptop for Back To School

That is, OEMs will have Haswell Refresh Laptops ready for Q3.

If this were true then BK would not feel compelled to keep everyone updated as to the fact that Broadwell will miss the back to school launch.

There is a reason this information is relevant to Intel's shareholders, which is why the CEO is electing to invest his time to discuss it in the public domain.

 

[frozentundra123456]

Maybe, but personally, if I needed a laptop, I would just get it. Who knows whether Broadwell will bring enough improvements to make a delay worth it and when and at what price it will be available. Unfortunately I am not sure new hardware really drives sales anymore. (Edit: except for enthusiasts like us of course, if something like DC live up to the expectations.)

Now if MS could come out with a Windows that doesn't suck, that might help things along. Honestly, my wife just got a Win 8 laptop, and it just seems every update that comes along makes it more frustrating to use rather than easier.

 

[AtenRa]

If this were true then BK would not feel compelled to keep everyone updated as to the fact that Broadwell will miss the back to school launch.

There is a reason this information is relevant to Intel's shareholders, which is why the CEO is electing to invest his time to discuss it in the public domain.

Shareholders NEED to hear that Broadwell is coming as planed, Laptop customers doesnt even know what Broadwell is as of now. They will buy a new Laptop for BTS with Haswell or Haswell refresh.
Also, OEMs currently are building Haswell Refresh Laptops. Haswell Refresh is being released in Q2 for Laptops as well. Those Haswell Refresh Laptops will be ready for BTS, Broadwell Laptops are not.

 

[AtenRa]

Honestly, my wife just got a Win 8 laptop, and it just seems every update that comes along makes it more frustrating to use rather than easier.

http://www.classicshell.net/

 

[mikk]

Well Broadwell is showing 2+3e now.

Nope. Broadwell 2+3 without edram.

edit: or indeed 2+3e, at least it's noted in the vr-zone schedule slide.

 

[Arachnotronic]

This is going to make Q3 extremely rough on Intel and on a lot of their OEMs.

Back to school sales will be tough (slow) to build momentum in the channel and in retail with everyone (supply chain wise, not end-user) knowing the next-gen mobile stuff for laptops and tablets (who buys a desktop for back to school these days?) is coming right around the corner in Q4.

I bet a lot more people are going to be willing to "limp through" first semester with whatever device they already plan to use to "limp through summer" just so they can get a much improved BW-based product at xmas and go back to school for spring semester with that instead of a haswell-refresh device.

Meh, unlikely. Intel will have Bay Trail-M for the mass market systems for BTS this year, something they didn't have last year.

As for lack of Broadwell? That doesn't matter. The OEMs will refresh the systems and people will buy the systems they want/need at the given price point.

 

[Skott]

Does this affect any of the cpus that were to come out in June? The 4790k for example? Its a Haswell refresh and not a BW chip correct? I get so mixed up with all these naming schematics. Sorry if its a silly question.

 

[blackened23]

Does this affect any of the cpus that were to come out in June? The 4790k for example? Its a Haswell refresh and not a BW chip correct? I get so mixed up with all these naming schematics. Sorry if its a silly question.

https://www.google.com/search?q=devil's+canyon+launch+date

Don't be rude
-ViRGE

 

[Skott]

Hee hee, thanks. Yeah I was always that guy that asked the dumb questions in class.

 

[shady28]

Same thing happened with Haswell, feel free to believe otherwise

I'm with you on this. We'll probably see them in Apple laptops before the X-Mas season is over. We might see a demo or even review of some HP, Dell, or Lenovo's, but without general availability.

Then we'll see them in other major laptops and desktops in Q1 2015.

That's the pattern, no reason to expect it to change.

 

[ninaholic37]

The vast majority of Laptop customers will not even know what Broadwell is and they will buy a Haswell or Haswell Refresh Laptop for Back To School

That is, OEMs will have Haswell Refresh Laptops ready for Q3.

Completely agree. Many people here forget that 99% of the world don't visit CPU forums on a daily basis, and most people in school/college are in their late teens. They'll generally just grab whatever looks good/new enough at the last minute before school starts. Before I joined this forum, I would have done the same thing, and probably still would... to have a "dedicated for school" laptop.

Looks like Intel solved its little problem of having the "E" processors much later than the "K" processors. Instead of skipping a gen on E, delay the mainstream ;-)

Heh. Nice idea there.

I wouldn't be surprised if the dates IntelUser2000 posted above are spot on also.

 

[ShintaiDK]

Another leak suggests the following launch schedules:

Broadwell Y 2:2 - November/December 2014
Broadwell U 2:2 - December/January 2014
Broadwell U 2:3 - March/April 2015
Broadwell "everything else" - July/August 2015

That suggests one possibility why they are suddenly upping the specs of Devil's Canyon chips. We won't see a refresh until a year later.

Also, it makes it highly unlikely that we'll see Skylake-K before Q2/Q3 2016.

Ehm, no. So much FUD and BS about Intel lately. And this is just more of it.

And post your "leak".

 

[IntelUser2000]

If this were true then BK would not feel compelled to keep everyone updated as to the fact that Broadwell will miss the back to school launch.

There is a reason this information is relevant to Intel's shareholders, which is why the CEO is electing to invest his time to discuss it in the public domain.

You made a good point. If it wasn't relevant, Sandy Bridge wouldn't have resulted in 20% sales increase. Surely enough people knew to make the difference. 20% isn't everyone. "Average Joes" aren't 90%+ of the population either. Also, vast majority of those so-called unknowlegeable get advice from people that are more knowledgeable.

BK being firm with release dates will help people decide whether to get it now or wait. I highly doubt people who need it will wait.

Does this affect any of the cpus that were to come out in June? The 4790k for example? Its a Haswell refresh and not a BW chip correct? I get so mixed up with all these naming schematics. Sorry if its a silly question.

No. The majority of Broadwell aren't coming until next year. Only the mobile chips are coming, and the slimmest and portable of devices like those that go in Tablets and Ultrabooks.

In fact, Broadwell isn't supposed to come with a broad Desktop release. Sure you can get specialized parts like the K chips, but regular Desktop chips are coming only on Skylake.

 

[mikk]

Ehm, no. So much FUD and BS about Intel lately. And this is just more of it.

And post your "leak".

http://chinese.vr-zone.com/113127/i...bdw-y-is-the-first-will-rts-in-ww37-05192014/

He is inaccurate though. For example launch schedule window is September-October for Haswell-Y.

 

[ShintaiDK]

http://chinese.vr-zone.com/113127/i...bdw-y-is-the-first-will-rts-in-ww37-05192014/

He is inaccurate though. For example launch schedule window is September-October for Haswell-Y.

Thanks. Had he even just copied his "leak" he wouldnt be so far of as he is.