Retirement Account - is it doing anything?

manlymatt83

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So about 2 years ago, I started putting away $166 every paycheck ($4000/yr) post tax money into a Roth IRA (my company then and my company now didn't/don't offer 401K). So now my balance is about $9800 ($8000 of my own money, and then the rest is money gained over the two years).

I just don't understand. I'm 24 now. When I'm 44, I'll have put away $80,000 of my own money. Even if that doubles, that's still only $160,000. Am I missing something? Did I start too late? (at 22).

:confused:
 

xeemzor

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Compound interest is your friend. At an 8% return and a $4,000 annual addition, compounded monthly, you would actually have $245,931.74. Monetary growth is exponential, so the longer you have it earning interest, the more you will make. For example, if instead of 20 years, you let it sit for 40 years, you would have $1,409,306.25.
 

manlymatt83

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Originally posted by: xeemzor
Compound interest is your friend. At an 8% return and a $4,000 annual addition, compounded monthly, you would actually have $245,931.74. Monetary growth is exponential, so the longer you have it earning interest, the more you will make. For example, if instead of 20 years, you let it sit for 40 years, you would have $1,409,306.25.

But with inflation, how will I have any earnings? Between 1983 and 2006, inflation went up 100%.

So won't my 1.4 million actually be like, $400,000?
 

Special K

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Originally posted by: mjuszczak
Originally posted by: xeemzor
Compound interest is your friend. At an 8% return and a $4,000 annual addition, compounded monthly, you would actually have $245,931.74. Monetary growth is exponential, so the longer you have it earning interest, the more you will make. For example, if instead of 20 years, you let it sit for 40 years, you would have $1,409,306.25.

But with inflation, how will I have any earnings? Between 1983 and 2006, inflation went up 100%.

So won't my 1.4 million actually be like, $400,000?

What do you mean 100%? Don't most people use 3%/year as an approximation for inflation?

Oh yea, and what exactly is your Roth IRA invested in?
 

KLin

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Originally posted by: mjuszczak
Originally posted by: xeemzor
Compound interest is your friend. At an 8% return and a $4,000 annual addition, compounded monthly, you would actually have $245,931.74. Monetary growth is exponential, so the longer you have it earning interest, the more you will make. For example, if instead of 20 years, you let it sit for 40 years, you would have $1,409,306.25.

But with inflation, how will I have any earnings? Between 1983 and 2006, inflation went up 100%.

So won't my 1.4 million actually be like, $400,000?

I think you need to stop worrying about 40 years down the road, and worry about today. ;)
 

DeviousTrap

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Originally posted by: mjuszczak
Originally posted by: xeemzor
Compound interest is your friend. At an 8% return and a $4,000 annual addition, compounded monthly, you would actually have $245,931.74. Monetary growth is exponential, so the longer you have it earning interest, the more you will make. For example, if instead of 20 years, you let it sit for 40 years, you would have $1,409,306.25.

But with inflation, how will I have any earnings? Between 1983 and 2006, inflation went up 100%.

So won't my 1.4 million actually be like, $400,000?

Your salary should have no problem keeping pace with inflation, and in theory should increase even more as your career progresses. And as that increases, the amount that you contribute will gradually increase as well.
 

manlymatt83

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Originally posted by: DeviousTrap
Originally posted by: mjuszczak
Originally posted by: xeemzor
Compound interest is your friend. At an 8% return and a $4,000 annual addition, compounded monthly, you would actually have $245,931.74. Monetary growth is exponential, so the longer you have it earning interest, the more you will make. For example, if instead of 20 years, you let it sit for 40 years, you would have $1,409,306.25.

But with inflation, how will I have any earnings? Between 1983 and 2006, inflation went up 100%.

So won't my 1.4 million actually be like, $400,000?

Your salary should have no problem keeping pace with inflation, and in theory should increase even more as your career progresses. And as that increases, the amount that you contribute will gradually increase as well.

But I'm contributing the limit now - $4000/yr. I'd put more in if I could.
 

DeviousTrap

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Originally posted by: mjuszczak
Originally posted by: DeviousTrap
Originally posted by: mjuszczak
Originally posted by: xeemzor
Compound interest is your friend. At an 8% return and a $4,000 annual addition, compounded monthly, you would actually have $245,931.74. Monetary growth is exponential, so the longer you have it earning interest, the more you will make. For example, if instead of 20 years, you let it sit for 40 years, you would have $1,409,306.25.

But with inflation, how will I have any earnings? Between 1983 and 2006, inflation went up 100%.

So won't my 1.4 million actually be like, $400,000?

Your salary should have no problem keeping pace with inflation, and in theory should increase even more as your career progresses. And as that increases, the amount that you contribute will gradually increase as well.

But I'm contributing the limit now - $4000/yr. I'd put more in if I could.

That limit will increase accordingly: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roth_IRA#Overview
 

Special K

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Originally posted by: mjuszczak
Originally posted by: DeviousTrap
Originally posted by: mjuszczak
Originally posted by: xeemzor
Compound interest is your friend. At an 8% return and a $4,000 annual addition, compounded monthly, you would actually have $245,931.74. Monetary growth is exponential, so the longer you have it earning interest, the more you will make. For example, if instead of 20 years, you let it sit for 40 years, you would have $1,409,306.25.

But with inflation, how will I have any earnings? Between 1983 and 2006, inflation went up 100%.

So won't my 1.4 million actually be like, $400,000?

Your salary should have no problem keeping pace with inflation, and in theory should increase even more as your career progresses. And as that increases, the amount that you contribute will gradually increase as well.

But I'm contributing the limit now - $4000/yr. I'd put more in if I could.

Looks like you'll have to start investing in taxable accounts then ;)
 

Dirigible

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Good chance $4k/year won't give you enough for retirement. From time to time at work mention how nice a 401k would be. Save outside your retirement now.

Good job on starting retirement savings early.
 

Pliablemoose

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Are you in a position to ask your company if they can consider starting a 401K program?

Going It Alone
One way to bolster your retirement nest egg is to open an individual brokerage account. When you first start putting money into the account, invest in growth stocks, which don't have tax-laden dividends to deal with, thus keeping your retirement plan tax-free until you're ready to dip into it. With these stocks and their earnings in your portfolio, the power of compounding interest and inflation will produce "unrealized growth," says Lanzaro. "If I was [in the early stages of] planning my retirement, I'd want growth at the beginning and income at the end," he says.

As you get older, rebalance your portfolio with somewhat safer value plays and sell the growth stocks. You'll incur a capital gains tax rate, but it's still lower than the income tax rate and interest that accompanies dividend stocks and bonds, respectively, says certified financial planner Elaine Morgillo. For most investments, long-term gains (for assets held more than one year) are taxed at a maximum rate of 15%, while short-term gains are taxed as ordinary income.

Of course, most people don't want to be responsible for the research that goes into picking stocks and other investments. That's why it may be best to put your money into a target-date mutual fund that is based on the year that you plan on retiring. These funds, which invest in a mix of cash, bonds and stocks, rebalance on a regular basis. As you approach your estimated retirement date, the portfolio becomes increasingly more conservative.

http://www.smartmoney.com/reti...oplan&src=fb&nav=RSS20

Strong work on starting a Roth at your age :thumbsup:
 

Jadow

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Did I start too late? (at 22).

What a stupid question. You know you didn't start too late.
 

BarneyFife

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Originally posted by: mjuszczak
So about 2 years ago, I started putting away $166 every paycheck ($4000/yr) post tax money into a Roth IRA (my company then and my company now didn't/don't offer 401K). So now my balance is about $9800 ($8000 of my own money, and then the rest is money gained over the two years).

I just don't understand. I'm 24 now. When I'm 44, I'll have put away $80,000 of my own money. Even if that doubles, that's still only $160,000. Am I missing something? Did I start too late? (at 22).

:confused:

Definately started way too late. Should have started back when you were 6. Be prepared to work until 80 years old now.

 

Special K

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Originally posted by: Jadow
Did I start too late? (at 22).

What a stupid question. You know you didn't start too late.

I opened my SEP-IRA back when I was mowing lawns for the neighborhood at age 8. You're way behind the curve, dude. Prepare to work until you die.
 

DaveSimmons

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Originally posted by: Special K
Looks like you'll have to start investing in taxable accounts then ;)

Not a bad idea. Putting just an extra $5K/year over the next 3 years into a S&P 500 index fund or ETF would give you another $315,000 40 years later.

(Based on an 8% return, lower than the historical return for the S&P over decades.)

The S&P 500 index is a good fund choice for taxable accounts since the annunal capital gains are much lower than actively traded mutual funds.

To play with compunded growth numbers yourself, use Windows calculator, switch to scientific view and use (1.percent) then [ x^y ] then (years), for example
1.08 then [ x^y ] then 40 = 21.75 times your initial investment
 

KLin

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Originally posted by: mjuszczak
Would it be rude to ask my boss if our company ever plans on getting a 401k program?

More than likely not. If he gets pissed after you ask, then it's time to find another job.