good point mee. Also, GAZZA, the resion a brought this up is because I have heard that the TBird 1.4 was one of AMD's hotest CPU cores and put out about the same amount of heat as a 2100 palamino. However, the 2500 is a Barton core, and if im not mistaken puts out less heat then the 2100 palamino or the 1.4 Tbird. If so, then the fan that comes with the 2500 may be adiquite for it (but I plan on using water cooling anyways) and the same time not as effective with the 1.4 which (why im asking) may run hotter then a 2500+