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Resentful Iraqis find U.S. optimism hard to share

minibush1

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Resentful Iraqis find U.S. optimism hard to share
By Fiona O'Brien

BAGHDAD, Sept. 30 ? The Bush administration says Iraq is a better place to live than before the war. Try telling that to Baghdad citizens, whose frustrations are growing daily.
Months after Saddam Hussein's fall, frequent power cuts and water shortages disrupt the city's rhythms, unemployment and crime loom large, and anger is rising against a U.S.-led occupation that shows few signs of ending soon.
Makeshift checkpoints are becoming permanent, webs of razor wire and concrete slabs divert traffic, frisking and demands for identity cards humiliate a nation renowned for its pride.
Iraqis feel their destiny has been taken out of their hands. The Governing Council was handpicked by Washington, the police force trained by foreigners. Iraqis are impatient to take back the reins.
''When they first came, people were more or less happy because they were fed up of dictators,'' Abdallah Suhail, an engineer now working as a security guard, said.
''Then we started to feel occupied. The word occupation is a strong word. And often their behaviour is aggressive and people are starting to hate them. We feel like hostages.''
Iraq's U.S. administrator, Paul Bremer, acknowledged the shifting mood in a speech to the Senate last week.
''Most Iraqis welcomed us as liberators and we glowed with the pleasure of that welcome,'' he said. ''Now the reality of foreign troops on the street is starting to chafe. Some Iraqis are beginning to regard us as occupiers and not as liberators.''
While the north and south are relatively more stable, resistance to the occupation is strongest in the capital and so-called ''Sunni Triangle'' to the north and west. Daily explosions and firefights have twisted nerves in central Iraq.
Iraqis said the friendly waves and interaction that marked the first weeks after the fall of Baghdad had all but gone.

RUMSFELD SEES PROGRESS
Nevertheless, U.S. Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld wrote in the Washington Post last week: ''I believe the plan to win the peace in Iraq will succeed -- just as the plan to win the war succeeded.
''We have made solid progress: Within two months, all major Iraqi cities and most towns had municipal councils -- something that took eight months in postwar Germany,'' he went on, citing the formation of an Iraqi cabinet by the Governing Council and and independent central bank.
But the U.S. army's accidental killing of civilians and the deaths of Iraqis in anti-American guerrilla attacks have heightened hostility towards the occupiers.
U.S. soldiers said the loss of colleagues in a series of roadside bombs targeted at their convoys had in turn made them more nervous of local people.
''Sometimes it feels like getting stabbed in the back,'' Specialist Clark Aberle said, standing at a checkpoint on a road once known for its riverside fish grills, now a strictly controlled thoroughfare protecting hotels used by Westerners.
''We understand why we are here, we are doing the right thing, trying to make a difference, and then you turn around and something like that (an attack) happens.''
Iraqis complain that U.S. soldiers treat Baghdad as their own. A security guard at the zoo complained that when a group of soldiers wanted to come in after hours for a party, they just waved a piece of paper at him and went straight in.
''It was in English, I didn't understand it,'' he said. ''What did you want me to do? Stop them? They are the occupiers.''
The lawlessness in Baghdad presents Iraqis with a unanswerable conundrum. Many want the Americans to leave, but are scared too of the chaos that could ensue if they did.
But people are impatient to see change, to start the new lives they were promised when the United States invaded.
''Maybe we Iraqis did expect too much from the American invasion, we did hope there is going to be an easy way,'' Salam Pax, an Iraqi who became famous for his Baghdad Web diaries before and during the war, wrote last month.
''Get rid of Saddam and have the Americans help us rebuild. I don't think like that any more. I am starting to believe that the chaos we will go through the next five or 10 years is part of the price we will have' to pay to have our freedom.''

 
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Has every single one of your posts been a 'cut and paste' job with no thoughts of your own? I see a dozen posts with no responses to the articles you dig up, so I thought I would respond to one, since no one else gives a damn about your 'cut and paste' jobs.
 

BOBDN

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Originally posted by: xxxxxJohnGaltxxxxx
Has every single one of your posts been a 'cut and paste' job with no thoughts of your own? I see a dozen posts with no responses to the articles you dig up, so I thought I would respond to one, since no one else gives a damn about your 'cut and paste' jobs.
Ignore galt minibush. He parrots the same crap every time I post a news article. He can't seem to grasp the
concept of "POLITICS AND N-E-W-S"
 

lozina

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Originally posted by: BOBDN
Originally posted by: xxxxxJohnGaltxxxxx
Has every single one of your posts been a 'cut and paste' job with no thoughts of your own? I see a dozen posts with no responses to the articles you dig up, so I thought I would respond to one, since no one else gives a damn about your 'cut and paste' jobs.
Ignore galt minibush. He parrots the same crap every time I post a news article. He can't seem to grasp the
concept of "POLITICS AND N-E-W-S"
I'm going to say this because it's better you hear from me than in a spiteful post by Galt, but this forum is all about discussion, afterall- if we wanted to just read news articles without opinions we'd just go to our favorite news web site :) (ok so it's hard nowadays to find professional news without opinion inserted, but you know what I mean)
 

BOBDN

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Originally posted by: lozina
Originally posted by: BOBDN
Originally posted by: xxxxxJohnGaltxxxxx
Has every single one of your posts been a 'cut and paste' job with no thoughts of your own? I see a dozen posts with no responses to the articles you dig up, so I thought I would respond to one, since no one else gives a damn about your 'cut and paste' jobs.
Ignore galt minibush. He parrots the same crap every time I post a news article. He can't seem to grasp the
concept of "POLITICS AND N-E-W-S"
I'm going to say this because it's better you hear from me than in a spiteful post by Galt, but this forum is all about discussion, afterall- if we wanted to just read news articles without opinions we'd just go to our favorite news web site :) (ok so it's hard nowadays to find professional news without opinion inserted, but you know what I mean)
What's wrong with posting a news article for discussion? If you read it and post an opinion discussion will ensue. You may be reading something you would have missed if not for this forum or others like it.
 

xochi

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Originally posted by: BOBDN
Originally posted by: lozina
Originally posted by: BOBDN
Originally posted by: xxxxxJohnGaltxxxxx
Has every single one of your posts been a 'cut and paste' job with no thoughts of your own? I see a dozen posts with no responses to the articles you dig up, so I thought I would respond to one, since no one else gives a damn about your 'cut and paste' jobs.
Ignore galt minibush. He parrots the same crap every time I post a news article. He can't seem to grasp the
concept of "POLITICS AND N-E-W-S"
I'm going to say this because it's better you hear from me than in a spiteful post by Galt, but this forum is all about discussion, afterall- if we wanted to just read news articles without opinions we'd just go to our favorite news web site :) (ok so it's hard nowadays to find professional news without opinion inserted, but you know what I mean)
What's wrong with posting a news article for discussion? If you read it and post an opinion discussion will ensue. You may be reading something you would have missed if not for this forum or others like it.

bingo, i usually dont venture away from yahoo news, unless there is a direct link posted in these forums.



 

LilBlinbBlahIce

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Originally posted by: xxxxxJohnGaltxxxxx
Has every single one of your posts been a 'cut and paste' job with no thoughts of your own? I see a dozen posts with no responses to the articles you dig up, so I thought I would respond to one, since no one else gives a damn about your 'cut and paste' jobs.
Don't see any thoughts of your own on this either Galt, or is it hard to respond to something that isn't critisizing French weather?
 

minibush1

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xxxxxJohnGaltxxxxx
Simple, just don't read my posts. Maybe you don't like my posts? You probably would not complain if I post mainstream news, I Love Bush regime, I hate the French, God Bless America etc etc. I know some people appreciate my posts and that is all that matters. I will continue posting until I decide not to, with or without comments.
 

Martin

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Originally posted by: xxxxxJohnGaltxxxxx
Has every single one of your posts been a 'cut and paste' job with no thoughts of your own? I see a dozen posts with no responses to the articles you dig up, so I thought I would respond to one, since no one else gives a damn about your 'cut and paste' jobs.
Madam, I find his posts much better than the verbal diarrhea you bombard us with everyday.



 

Moonbeam

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Easy, guys, Galt may be trying to teach us a lesson. Remember the point of this thread. We punched the Tar Baby and now we're stuck. Galt is showing us how willing we are to punch. His may be a warning not to be dumb like Bush.
 
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Originally posted by: lozina
Originally posted by: BOBDN
Originally posted by: xxxxxJohnGaltxxxxx
Has every single one of your posts been a 'cut and paste' job with no thoughts of your own? I see a dozen posts with no responses to the articles you dig up, so I thought I would respond to one, since no one else gives a damn about your 'cut and paste' jobs.
Ignore galt minibush. He parrots the same crap every time I post a news article. He can't seem to grasp the
concept of "POLITICS AND N-E-W-S"
I'm going to say this because it's better you hear from me than in a spiteful post by Galt, but this forum is all about discussion, afterall- if we wanted to just read news articles without opinions we'd just go to our favorite news web site :) (ok so it's hard nowadays to find professional news without opinion inserted, but you know what I mean)

Well-said, sir, and with a bit more tact. ;)
 
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Originally posted by: LilBlinbBlahIce
Originally posted by: xxxxxJohnGaltxxxxx
Has every single one of your posts been a 'cut and paste' job with no thoughts of your own? I see a dozen posts with no responses to the articles you dig up, so I thought I would respond to one, since no one else gives a damn about your 'cut and paste' jobs.
Don't see any thoughts of your own on this either Galt, or is it hard to respond to something that isn't critisizing French weather?

Yo, G, who takin' to you? You do not see any 'thoughts' because you are blind to anything that doesn't coincide with your ideologies. When you grow-up, grasshopper, you will see the light.
 
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...funny all the hate-baiters come out of the woodwork for 'minibush' and his cut and paste jobs. I guess the herd doesn't like opinions or points of view, just to read something written by someone else so they know where they stand...
 

minibush1

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I don't know why I am wasting my time explaining since I really don't care what you think. But like I said, if you don't like the News and occassional Ed ops that I post than don't click on my posts. I will continue posting articles that I think might be of interest to other people. Just because noone reply's doesn't mean noone is reading them. If people want to comment/reply, great! If people don't want to comment/reply, great!
 
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...at least I got you to post YOUR thoughts, not the thoughts of others...though others share your thoughts ;) ...keep up the news reporting, scoop.

 

LilBlinbBlahIce

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Originally posted by: xxxxxJohnGaltxxxxx
Originally posted by: LilBlinbBlahIce
Originally posted by: xxxxxJohnGaltxxxxx
Has every single one of your posts been a 'cut and paste' job with no thoughts of your own? I see a dozen posts with no responses to the articles you dig up, so I thought I would respond to one, since no one else gives a damn about your 'cut and paste' jobs.
Don't see any thoughts of your own on this either Galt, or is it hard to respond to something that isn't critisizing French weather?

Yo, G, who takin' to you? You do not see any 'thoughts' because you are blind to anything that doesn't coincide with your ideologies. When you grow-up, grasshopper, you will see the light.
Is that how you gosta be? Why you is tripping like that? Fvcktard.
 
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Originally posted by: LilBlinbBlahIce
Originally posted by: xxxxxJohnGaltxxxxx
Originally posted by: LilBlinbBlahIce
Originally posted by: xxxxxJohnGaltxxxxx
Has every single one of your posts been a 'cut and paste' job with no thoughts of your own? I see a dozen posts with no responses to the articles you dig up, so I thought I would respond to one, since no one else gives a damn about your 'cut and paste' jobs.
Don't see any thoughts of your own on this either Galt, or is it hard to respond to something that isn't critisizing French weather?

Yo, G, who takin' to you? You do not see any 'thoughts' because you are blind to anything that doesn't coincide with your ideologies. When you grow-up, grasshopper, you will see the light.
Is that how you gosta be? Why you is tripping like that? Fvcktard.

Stop hatin', playa.
 

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