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REQUEST: 8kha+ oc'ing stats and bios settings

DT4K

Diamond Member
I'm ready to OC my 8kha+ and I want to know what kind of FSB you are up to and what your bios settings are (vcore, memory, etc.)

I'm new to oc'ing so I need to get an idea of what kind of bios settings I need to adjust as I raise the FSB.

I went to 140 without changing any of the other default settings and had no problems. I tried 150 and win98 wouldn't boot. I'd like to go higher but I'm not sure what adjustments I need to make. I know I need to raise the core voltage, but I don't know how much.

Thanks
Shanti
 
Well one of the things with overclocking is that you want to remove as many variables as possible each step of the way. So when overclocking the FSB your variables are memory voltage, cpu voltage, PCI peripherals, memory quality, memory timings, cpu core quality, heat, and probably some others.

If you want to figure out the highest possible overclock for your computer you first want to isolate your memory. If your CPU is unlocked lower the multiplier to something way low so that no matter how much you overclock your FSB you will still be safely under the actual rated core clock speed. This effectively eliminates the CPU and CPU voltage variables.

Now it's also a good idea to remove every PCI peripheral in your machine except for your video card when trying to find your higest possible overclock. Take all unecessary PCI cards out, and leave your case open to keep temps cooler than normal.

Once you're at that point then you can start trying to isolate your memory. First bump up the mem voltage by .1 or .2V. I believe default DDR is 2.6V? So bump it up to 2.8V for now though some might tell you to max it to 2.9V or whatever the highest setting is. The amdmb.com Epox forums has a warning against that somewhere. This is THE thread for the Epox 8kha+. Reading through the big posts at the top will tell you everything you ever wanted to know about your board.

Anyway now that things are setup, start bumping up your FSB. A 10Mhz jump from 140 to 150Mhz is pretty large. Overclocking will have to be done in baby steps the closer you get to your max. Start out by bumping up to 145Mhz, do stability testing. Then probably bump up to 147Mhz, do stability testing. Then start bumping it up in 1Mhz increments as you near 150Mhz since that was your original crash point. Just do stability testing every step of the way or else you can't be sure that your computer will work after 15 minutes or during some intense games, activity.

Once you find your max memory/FSB overclock, drop back down to 133Mhz, max your CPU voltage to 1.85V and start increasing the clock multiplier on your CPU if it's unlocked. Keep increasing the multiplier and doing stability testing in .5X increments until you crash. Once you find the max CPU overclock figure out what the multiplier should be if you ran your system at your max stable FSB and then set it to that and bump up your FSB and reboot. You should be good to go then though once you max both your memory/FSB and CPU you may have to back off on the FSB a little bit. Now you can start adding in your PCI peripherals one at a time and doing more stress testing. Usually you'll have to back off a couple Mhz FSB if you have a bunch of peripherals. If things are stable and settling down then you can start to back off on the CPU and Memory core voltages a little to see how low you can go with them. This will help minimize heat and wear on your system though you will likely not be able to lower either much.

If you overclock this way you will be able to find your maximum stable FSB, max CPU clock, maximum total overclock, and minimum stable voltages. You will also see which peripherals are your problem ones holding you back and can make good decisions on whether you should get a new NIC or more tolerant sound card for example.

Good luck and let us know what you end up with! 🙂

Gaidin

Edit: Forgot about memory timings. Check that thread on the amdmb.com forums for detailed explanations of all the BIOS memory timing settings along with a list of optimal settings if your RAM can handle it. If your memory fails at a certain FSB you can sometimes back off on the memory timings to get stability at that FSB however your system might actually be faster at a lower FSB with more aggressive memory timings. Only memory benchmarks can tell you for sure. You won't be able to notice the performance difference in casual usage. IMHO go for the fastest memory timings you can and only make concessions if you really want to reach a certain FSB point and even then benchmark it to make sure it's worth it.
 
Wow, thanks for taking the time to give me so much information. I will look into those links. I'm a beginner at this, so I'm trying to learn as much as I can.

I should have put this in before but here's my system:

Enlight 7237 w/ 300W
Epox 8kha+ rev2.0
Athlon XP 1700+ (unmodified)
Stock HSF (though I removed the pad and used AS3)
256 MB Crucial PC2100
Gainward Geforce3 Ti200 Golden Sample
Onboard sound
Cheap Generic NIC
old Compaq 8 GB HD (this is my next upgrade)
one 80mm intake fan that came with the case
one 80mm Sunon 39CFM for exhaust in the back.

current temps are 38C idle and 46C load so I figure I will have to replace that stock HSF if I want to OC much.
 
There are a lot of good programs out there that will help you perform some good stability tests.

First, it's always good to run some Quake 3 timedemos. It's a standard and running them with timedemo1 is fast and easy. You can get a feel for whether your overclocking is actually doing anything by looking at the numbers when running in low resolutions (or high resolutions if you're just overclocking your video card). You can also download the demo for free.

Other programs to use are: any distributed project client like RC5 or SETI@home. You should just keep that running in the background during your other stability tests since it will always use up any spare CPU cycles (and heat up your CPU). Being able to run 3dmark2001SE repeatedly is good. Playing your favorite FPS game for a good half hour or so is another good test. Copying a bunch of files between drives or defragging your drive would be a good idea too. At a certain FSB on my Epox board my IBM 75gxp (just waiting for it to die...again) would crap out on me. The machine would boot into Windows just fine but after a few minutes the drive would make a bad noise and the machine would hard crash but only if there was some disk activity.

Finally running Prime95's Torture Test is a great idea imho. It can detect slight errors in an overclocked CPU that might never be noticed in a game or while running a distributed client other than Prime95. Prime95 will error out the second it detects an error (the Torture Test compares known good results with the results your CPU spits out). If it gets an error, your system is not 100% stable. Now the merits of having 100% stability get debated on here all the time. Is your computer "stable" if it can always run every program you want without crashing but errors out in Prime95? Or does it have to complete hours of the Prime95 torture test for true stability? Prime95 also has a great text file included with the client about overclocking and how to deal with stability issues. 🙂

The bottome line is: Run every program that you normally run and try to keep the computer as busy as possible doing enough varied tasks to test out your CPU, hard drives, video card, sound card, etc. While your system might be totally stable playing an mp3 at X FSB it very well might crash playing a game with EAX sound at the same FSB (this always happens to me with my SBLive).
Gaidin
 
For serious stability testing, cpuburn will probably be the best program. It will crash your system fairly quickly if your system is unstable. Be warned, though, it may live up to its name. 😉
 
Running the CPU and Memory "Burn-in" Tests in Sandra 2001 or Sandra 2002 works great as well.
Run at Normal, 95% CPU utilization, and 50 CPU iterations and 30 Memory iterations.
Leave your system case open if your cooling system isn't 100% up to snuff yet......
Happy overclocking!
 
Anyone have stats?

I know everybody's system is different, but I just wanted to get a general idea of what numbers I "might" be able to get to with my setup.
Thanks
 
yea i have a XP 1700 on the 8KHA+ mobo right now its runnin at 1570 (11.5*136) notto bad im gonna push it a lil more when my other case fans come. fedx saya the should be here now. yeah. i know it can do 140*11.5 but was getting 2 hot cause i had to up the voltage. but shouldent be a problim now ill give it a shot and let you know
 
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