Repubs to filibuster continuing resolution and debt limit increase bill but they say they want a debt limit increase too

[Zorba]

i agree.
it's as if the Dems havent read Machiavelli.

Repubs are doing stuff that would make Machiavelli proud.

Like i said in my OP, make the vote on Sept 30 and not today.
When the Repubs filibuster, the govt shuts down and every news channel will say it's because of the Repubs filibuster.

Still have no idea why the Dems are voting on the bill today and trying to avert the shutdown instead of letting it happen so all America can see it was the Repubs.
sigh..

Americans don't care. Trump had the longest shut down in history and his approval was back up within a couple months. I didn't hear a single mention of the shut down in the elections either.

 

[Ken g6]

If Republicans are going to force a default on debt, I figure the responsible thing for Democrats to do is to shut down the government first, so that default is as small as possible. Right?

 

[sportage]

Fox. Hannity. Kill the bill.
Problem is, families need this Biden agenda. People need childcare and family leave and all the other benefits in the Biden build back better plan. In todays world both parents must work, unlike the 1950s where only dad needed to work and mom stayed home waiting for the mailman. Parents must work in this middle class world and the least republicans in congress could do is give those parents a little help. A little help with childcare, a little help with family leave, all very pro-life and pro-family. This is the least that republicans in congress could do for those who elect them. Two parents working full time and raising kids do not consider family leave and childcare as socialism. They look at it as raising a family and making ends meet. Socialism is when republicans pass Donald Trump tax cuts for the rich, and force those middle class parents to pay the bill. THAT is socialism.

The middle class needs this, they deserve it, they have earned and paid for it, and for a republican congress to deny the middle class while focusing entirely on that top one percent is outrageous. If democrats can get this passed America will embrace it and wonder how they ever survived without it. That includes republican America, they will love this as well and so…. the Biden agenda must pass. This will change America forevermore and it must pass.

 

[K1052]

Treasury says Oct 18 is the date they exhaust all measures.

Dems are going to have to amend the budget resolution since the Republicans are dicks as usual. Republicans can gum up this process and the parliamentarian might be an issue but if either of them really prevent it from happening there is literally no choice but to go nuclear on debt ceiling increases or default.

 

[K1052]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1442857085117636608

About time

 

[Zorba]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1442857085117636608

About time

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They should just ignore it, the constitution very clearly says Congress sets spending and that debt shall not be questioned. Debt ceiling makes no sense between those two things.

If by some miracle if Dems get a bigger majority in 22 they need to just shit can the limit. It's only purpose is for Republicans to govern in bad faith.

 

[Brainonska511]

They should just ignore it, the constitution very clearly says Congress sets spending and that debt shall not be questioned. Debt ceiling makes no sense between those two things.

If by some miracle if Dems get a bigger majority in 22 they need to just shit can the limit. It's only purpose is for Republicans to govern in bad faith.

I can see the rationale to ignore the debt ceiling, but I can also understand the Treasury Department's hesitation to go down that road, given the likely lawsuit and insanity that could follow, especially with a court that only wants to reign in power when Democrats are in charge.

 

[K1052]

They should just ignore it, the constitution very clearly says Congress sets spending and that debt shall not be questioned. Debt ceiling makes no sense between those two things.

If by some miracle if Dems get a bigger majority in 22 they need to just shit can the limit. It's only purpose is for Republicans to govern in bad faith.

Either mint the coin or amend the budget resolution raising the limit to 100 quadrillion dollars.

 

[VRAMdemon]

It's funny how the Democrats - throughout the Trump administration WORKED WITH the Republicans (under the 4 years of Donald Trumps 7 to 8 trillion in spending) to raise the debt ceiling even when he pursued policies they did not support. Neither logic nor history has any place in this discussion.

The Republicans are determined to punish the whole country for electing Biden. Even though they believe the country did NOT elect Biden.

 

[SMOGZINN]

Oh, shit! We have less then a week to go before we run out of budget and we forgot to do it yet again. This makes what, 50 years in a row that we forgot until the last minute to vote for a new budget?
Damn, maybe next year we won't wait until the last minute, and have time to work all these things out without it being an emergency. Maybe they could put a reminder on the calendar or something.

 

[Ajay]

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If by some miracle if Dems get a bigger majority in 22 they need to just shit can the limit. It's only purpose is for Republicans to govern in bad faith.

The only purpose is to cast the democrats as tax and spend liberals - saddling the nation with crippling debt. Meanwhile, the republicans expand our debt in order to give it to corporations and the wealthy. But, toss in a small cut to the middle class - so it’s' fair'. Classic grift.

 

[fskimospy]

It's funny how the Democrats - throughout the Trump administration WORKED WITH the Republicans (under the 4 years of Donald Trumps 7 to 8 trillion in spending) to raise the debt ceiling even when he pursued policies they did not support. Neither logic nor history has any place in this discussion.

The Republicans are determined to punish the whole country for electing Biden. Even though they believe the country did NOT elect Biden.

Because in the end one country puts the country first and the other one doesn't.

 

[JEDI]

Because in the end one country puts the country first and the other one doesn't.

which makes the Dems fools because the Repubs are winning

 

[fskimospy]

which makes the Dems fools because the Repubs are winning

Not really. If they sink to their level then they lose anyway. It’s more of a case of that they need to be more inventive about how they fight back.

 

[SMOGZINN]

Not really. If they sink to their level then they lose anyway. It’s more of a case of that they need to be more inventive about how they fight back.

It is that they need to actually fight back and not just keep pretending that the house is not on fire.
Democrats are trying to 'get back to normal' and 'get back to business as usual' (well, usual for DC) but that ended almost 10 years ago and there is no path back that does not lead through Democrats doing something about it. Otherwise 'politics as normal' is going to be Democrats losing every major battle and being allowed to take control every now and then so the Republicans can use them as a scapegoat.

 

[fskimospy]

It is that they need to actually fight back and not just keep pretending that the house is not on fire.
Democrats are trying to 'get back to normal' and 'get back to business as usual' (well, usual for DC) but that ended almost 10 years ago and there is no path back that does not lead through Democrats doing something about it. Otherwise 'politics as normal' is going to be Democrats losing every major battle and being allowed to take control every now and then so the Republicans can use them as a scapegoat.

I agree, but that involves convincing Sinema and Manchin to do things that at least at the moment they refuse to do. What steps would you suggest that don't involve them?

 

[SMOGZINN]

I agree, but that involves convincing Sinema and Manchin to do things that at least at the moment they refuse to do. What steps would you suggest that don't involve them?

There is very little they can do without them. What they should probably do is pull them aside in a private meeting and let them know that they get on board or the DNC will disown them. They will be cut off of DNC funding, which will instead go to other candidates that will primary them. Even if it means losing that district for a term, it sends a message.

Because honestly, I think both of them are really Republicans, or should be. The only reason they are not is because the Republicans have sprinted so fast to Crazy Town that the redshift made those two slower moving conservatives look blue in comparison.

Kick them out and make them run independent. The tent can only be so big, and those two are just to far away from the pole to be under the bigtop.

Edit: Did I use enough metaphors? I could add another!

 

[hal2kilo]

I mean they are but usually out of greed and I don’t see how this leaves them better off money wise either.

They are stuck on sticking it to the libs. That's all they represent now. Logic, hah!

 

[fskimospy]

There is very little they can do without them. What they should probably do is pull them aside in a private meeting and let them know that they get on board or the DNC will disown them. They will be cut off of DNC funding, which will instead go to other candidates that will primary them. Even if it means losing that district for a term, it sends a message.

I think this would potentially work on Sinema, but Manchin's response would probably be 'good, that helps me'.

Because honestly, I think both of them are really Republicans, or should be. The only reason they are not is because the Republicans have sprinted so fast to Crazy Town that the redshift made those two slower moving conservatives look blue in comparison.

I agree that Manchin is significantly more conservative than nearly every other Democrat in Congress. That being said, he's also probably a lot more liberal than any Republican. Say he did become an independent though, what would that change?

Kick them out and make them run independent. The tent can only be so big, and those two are just to far away from the pole to be under the bigtop.

Edit: Did I use enough metaphors? I could add another!

Then say goodbye to confirming any judges, including Breyer's potential replacement. Say goodbye to a lot of executive branch appointments, and say goodbye to any further legislation, quite a bit of which I think will actually pass. This just doesn't seem worth it.

I 100% share your frustration with the situation but I really have no idea how to address it. The Democrats need to primary Sinema and win another seat or two. This probably won't happen but that's basically the only answer.

 

[hal2kilo]

I think this would potentially work on Sinema, but Manchin's response would probably be 'good, that helps me'.


I agree that Manchin is significantly more conservative than nearly every other Democrat in Congress. That being said, he's also probably a lot more liberal than any Republican. Say he did become an independent though, what would that change?


Then say goodbye to confirming any judges, including Breyer's potential replacement. Say goodbye to a lot of executive branch appointments, and say goodbye to any further legislation, quite a bit of which I think will actually pass. This just doesn't seem worth it.

I 100% share your frustration with the situation but I really have no idea how to address it. The Democrats need to primary Sinema and win another seat or two. This probably won't happen but that's basically the only answer.

I'm fighting back major misogynous words I would like to make about that female snake. She's meeting with GOP donors today. F her.

 

[weblooker2021]

Default of debt is not a big deal, world will not end next day. I am in fact looking forward to US defaulting on the debt and starting to live within our financial means.

 

[fskimospy]

Default of debt is not a big deal, world will not end next day.

Can you explain why? Do you realize how many financial instruments are tied to treasuries?

I am in fact looking forward to US defaulting on the debt and starting to live within our financial means.

This shows you do not understand how government debt works. You do realize household debt and US government debt have essentially nothing to do with one another, right?

 

[ivwshane]

Default of debt is not a big deal, world will not end next day. I am in fact looking forward to US defaulting on the debt and starting to live within our financial means.

That’s just pure ignorance on your part. Raising the debt ceiling has zero to do with our future spending. It has to do with the bills that are already due. Not paying those will put us in an even weaker global position.


I mean, I guess if you hate America, defaulting makes sense

 

[manly]

That’s just pure ignorance on your part. Raising the debt ceiling has zero to do with our future spending. It has to do with the bills that are already due. Not paying those will put us in an even weaker global position.


I mean, I guess if you hate America, defaulting makes sense

Ignorance is putting it mildly. Many serious economists think it would be catastrophic for the U.S. to intentionally damage its own creditworthiness. The moron isn't even worth engaging with seriously; it's fairly obvious he's one of those fiscal conservatards who considers any social spending on the poor as bad gubment spending. Corporate welfare OTOH is "good" deficit spending of course.

I wouldn't put it past the GQP to push us to the brink of default, and even past the line. If it happens next month, they'll blame it on Joe Biden since he's putatively in charge. Whether congressional Republicans hate America is debatable, but there's little doubt they hate a lot of Americans.

 

[sportage]

This Biden agenda along with the debit thing will define how 2022 goes. And as they say, the squeaky wheel gets all the oil. Looking at the divisions, lets take masks for example. When I see people protesting schools and protesting mask mandates I see a very small minority of protestors. I believe that we have a lot more Americans in favor of safe schools and mask mandates than the media would have you believe. In the Nixon era they were called THE SILENT MAJORITY.

Yes, I believe we have a great silent majority who support masks mandates, who support vaccines mandates, who still have the ability to think it thru logically, and who live in the real world rather than a world of conspiracy. Despite everything and that includes Afghanistan, I think 2022 will be a very good year for democrats in the house and in the senate. And wouldn't it be wonderful to no longer have to focus on Joe Manchin or that other traitorous democrat female. Democrats gain in the 2022 election, Joe Manchin is pushed aside because who cares what the hell Manchin thinks, and the Biden agenda becomes reality for the middle class. I see the rewards for fighting covid and for promoting the middle class agenda as a huge win for democrats come 2022. That silent majority will get us through.