Repubs say they want to end birthright citizenship - bye, bye, 2016 election

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glenn1

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Tell me, what % of illegal immigrants currently in this country do not come from Latin America? I am curious.

Last I checked there probably aren't a whole lot of Eastern Euros coming through the southern border.

That is what we are talking about, is it not?

I have always said I don't care if Indians, Asians, or whomever, comes here *LEGALLY* and at a moderated and non-political (h1b) driven manner.

Why would Europeans come overland via southern border when they could just fly in using a regular tourist visa and not leave? That would be like an American who illegally immigrated to Europe going to Africa first and then swimming across the Mediterranean.

And the "moderated" number of legal immigration slots is what's driving a significant portion of the illegal immigration flows now, the annual worldwide limit of 675,000 permanent immigrants is laughably law given demand.
 

Indus

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No one can get a green card without the 6 clauses.. so many remain illegals until they qualify for one of these.
-- the way this reads is you need to meet each and everyone o0f the 6 clauses....that is NOT True!!

http://www.uscis.gov/greencard

You're right, I forgot about #7 Diversity Lottery
#8 Overseas Embassy workers who have worked without a problem for 20 years
#9 Those people who aided the US in times of needs (Afghan/ Iraqi translators)
#10 And ofcourse some occasional refugees which we take in (basically the same as political asylum)

But the majority of illegals become legal happens through marriage (which is why there's green card marriage fraud or so much of it). It's the most scrutinized thing.
 

Indus

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Tell me, what % of illegal immigrants currently in this country do not come from Latin America? I am curious.

Last I checked there probably aren't a whole lot of Eastern Euros coming through the southern border.

That is what we are talking about, is it not?

I have always said I don't care if Indians, Asians, or whomever, comes here *LEGALLY* and at a moderated and non-political (h1b) driven manner.

Go to Brooklyn and ask Russians if they have green cards. Probably 90% of the illegals got here on visas but then overstayed their visas.

My neighbor overstayed his visa, brought a 2 year old daughter here.. told the daughter to get laid and get a bun in the oven. When the bun in the oven turns 21.. the daughter will have a green card.. and 5 years after that my neighbor will get one too. That's the way they think and they pay all their taxes etc while working for less than minimum wage.
 

Vic

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Good article. Actually, the issue is even a bit more complex than just the GOP losing the Hispanic vote
The 14th amendment is the cornerstone of several liberal causes, including pro-choice and same-sex marriage. For the GOP to come out openly against it, instead of just quietly fighting it in the courts as they have been doing, they are effectively rallying all that is liberal Democrat to the polls next November.
 
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pcgeek11

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It seems to me that doing something illegally ( in the US via illegal methods ) and having a baby while here. Why should that child be granted citizenship through the illegal actions of its parent(s). It seems that isn't what the constitution intended. As we all know there are people that smuggle late term pregnant women into the USA just to have an anchor baby.

This needs to change.
 

Greenman

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Isn't the point of all this to end the anchor baby problem? It's hard to tell from the all the spin in that article.
 

Indus

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It seems to me that doing something illegally ( in the US via illegal methods ) and having a baby while here. Why should that child be granted citizenship through the illegal actions of its parent(s). It seems that isn't what the constitution intended. As we all know there are people that smuggle late term pregnant women into the USA just to have an anchor baby.

This needs to change.

Shouldn't that be settled by the SCOTUS if it's just an interpretation of the constitution rather than repealing the whole 14th amendment?
 

pcgeek11

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Shouldn't that be settled by the SCOTUS if it's just an interpretation of the constitution rather than repealing the whole 14th amendment?

No need to repeal the amendment at all, but yes it should be clearly defined that if the baby is born in the US the parents have to be legally here in order for that child to have citizenship. Those that already have citizenship should also be allowed to retain it as per the law interpretation at that time.
 

BoomerD

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Why would Europeans come overland via southern border when they could just fly in using a regular tourist visa and not leave? That would be like an American who illegally immigrated to Europe going to Africa first and then swimming across the Mediterranean.

And the "moderated" number of legal immigration slots is what's driving a significant portion of the illegal immigration flows now, the annual worldwide limit of 675,000 permanent immigrants is laughably law given demand.

Demand be damned. 675,000 is a LOT of new people every year.We, as a nation, should be able to pick and choose which applicants are allowed to come here...and who should not.
Illegal immigrants "jump the line," and often bring communicable diseases with them...diseases that would be caught if they came legally...and would probably prevent them from coming here. TB is on the rise again in the US of A, after it was "wiped out" here...because illegal immigrants have been bringing it with them and spreading it.

Sure, it's easy to say, "They only want to come here for a better life," and while that's understandable, all too often, they just bring with them, all the problems and crime they claim to want to leave.

Let in the highly educated immigrants...the ones who can support themselves. The US taxpayers should NOT be on the hook to support ANY immigrants...legal or illegal, and the "anchor baby" provision gives illegals a way to tap into US welfare programs...perhaps not for the entire family, but for the newly eligible citizen. That needs to stop.
 

Murloc

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It's not xenophobia yet you single out 6 Latin American countries? No one seriously believes that "immigration reform" partisans would take such a hard stance on an illegal with more desirable (to you) origins like northern Europe, so spare us the "this isn't about ethnicity" bullshit.
well there are many illegal irish immigrants in the US apparently.

The others just don't come since illegal immigration isn't appealing to the poorer Europeans when they can just go to the UK (or Germany if they know the language) and try making it there first. Also only few families have strong contacts with US relatives. South italians without skills are more likely to work in a pizzeria in Germany these days.

Also if you don't have a land border you can cross it's difficult to immigrate illegally. They can just refuse entry, and if you're caught you'll never be able to get in again, unlike mexicans. Also southern european immigrants are mostly qualified people and would not be able to compete with mexicans for low wage jobs either. And who's ever hired an illegally immigrated engineer or nurse?
H1B indians are the cheap solution devised by the corporate overlords to solve this problem.

We, as a nation, should be able to pick and choose which applicants are allowed to come here...and who should not.
this is something that lefties have a problem understanding.

The only exception to this are legit asylum seekers and refugees, i.e. asylum seekers who seek asylum with a valid reason. Not the case for most Mexicans and in Europe, most africans.
But mexican illegals have no chance at asylum and indeed they don't seek it either.

I think the use of anchor babies and stuff is an abuse of ius solis, so eliminating this loophole makes sense. It's not in the spirit of that idea.

In reality due to the history and currect practice of US immigration policy (i.e. mexican illegals have special treatment compared to other illegals), it's probably become a politically suicidal proposal so it will not be fixed.

Shouldn't that be settled by the SCOTUS if it's just an interpretation of the constitution rather than repealing the whole 14th amendment?
so Congress can't make a law to implement the constitution according to what they deem to be its spirit?
Or, can't they edit the 14th amendment?

Sometimes it feels like the US is hostage of some ambiguous old book that can't be edited and its interpreter. Must be the influence of religion, the catholic church is pretty similar too, to change interpretations they have to do a council and lots of complicated stuff and waste lots of time.
In Switzerland you just set up a committee, write the updated or new article with the help of a jurist, gather 100k signatures in maximum X months (can't remember how many now), and the people say yes or no. It's that easy.
 
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JEDIYoda

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But the majority of illegals become legal happens through marriage (which is why there's green card marriage fraud or so much of it). It's the most scrutinized thing.
rofl...nice try! You can say what you want without links...back up your diatribe...
 

umbrella39

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These two posts in a row and you have the gall to claim xenophobia isn't an issue? Must be nice living in such denial.

You are correct there are exactly zero countries in the world with unfettered immigration. Including the US.

He is clearly missing the mirror in his house and can't clearly identify who the fuck face is.
 

michal1980

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ahh typical liberal responses here.

Someone doesn't like illegal immigration, label them a racist.

How can you even reason with numbnuts like that?
 

Londo_Jowo

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I'd agree, citizenship should be changed to something sane for the modern age. You have 1 parent that is a US Citizen in good standing, doesn't matter where you're born, you are a US Citizen. I don't know why it needs to be any more complicated than that.

This is already the case. My son was born in Indonesia and he was immediately considered a US Citizen. He has an American born abroad birth certificate.
 
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I am actual in agreement this needs to end. 2 Illegals should not make a legal. Who cares where you dropped out of the womb at.
 

sm625

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Do you have any evidence to suggest that Latino voters are more supportive of mass illegal invasion than any other ethnic group?
 

Jaskalas

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America's immigration policy must change. The border must be secured, effectively sealed.

However... the issue of birthright or not seems a bit misplaced. If the people we're discussing are not leaving, were born and raised here, and will stay here the rest of their lives - how are they not effectively citizens? Why should they not legally be citizens?
 

Jhhnn

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Nov 11, 1999
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America's immigration policy must change. The border must be secured, effectively sealed.

However... the issue of birthright or not seems a bit misplaced. If the people we're discussing are not leaving, were born and raised here, and will stay here the rest of their lives - how are they not effectively citizens? Why should they not legally be citizens?

For the same reasons that the 14th amendment was adopted long ago.

http://www.digitalhistory.uh.edu/teachers/lesson_plans/pdfs/unit11_1.pdf

Jim Crow lives in the hearts of bigots & isn't just about blacks.
 

Sonikku

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Seem to be a lot of people here who think representation is proportionate to votes. If that were True the Dems would be running Congress. If Repubs were on the losing side of this issue all they have to do is continue to gerrymander better than their opponents are. If the current state of Congress is any indication, they're pro's.
 

OutHouse

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Seems a little foolish to grant citizenship by birth. No Euro countries do this, and we have very few Mexicans. You do the math...

so a baby born in france or germany or holland, or denmark or italy is not a french or german or dutch, or denmark or italalian citizen?