Republicare -- What is the Republicans plan for fixing health care? Do they have one?

[WhipperSnapper]

If Obamacare ends up being declared unconstitutional, will that declaration be tantamount to the Republicans taking ownership of the health care issue and blame for the current state of our health care system?

Do the Republicans have a plan for health care, and if so, what is it? Do they have some sort of a plan that will bring us closer to the sorts of results that every other industrialized first world country has (100% coverage, much less expensive as a percentage of GDP, zero medical bankruptcies)?

Or is the Republican plan simply some sort of a dressed up variant of status quo "Don't get sick, and if you do get sick, die quickly?" Will the Republicans come out in favor of supporting or at least condoning private insurance company death panels?

We've heard much talk about Obamacare. Now it's time to introduce the American people to the alternative--Republicare. Republicare--how to pay more for health care while getting less.

 

[Craig234]

Repeal ACA, Medicare and Medicaid (gradually with a voucher transition). Less healthcare for people. Probably phase out employer healthcare except the high end.

Remember where their leading figure got his political start - the national anti-Medicare campaign AMA spokesman, 'Ronald Reagan speaks out against socialized medicine'.

 

[Ausm]

Here is what the plan is....your're FUCKED!

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

They don't understand what needs to be done any more than you.

 

[nageov3t]

allow inter-state competition between insurance companies?

 

[PokerGuy]

If Obamacare ends up being declared unconstitutional, [q]will that declaration be tantamount to the Republicans taking ownership of the health care issue[/q] and blame for the current state of our health care system?

No, of course not. The court decides if something is constitutional or not. If they find that it's not, it just means obummer and his minions pushed through legislation that does not abide by the constitution, nothing more, nothing less. It doesn't make republicans any more or less responsible for the mess of a system we have, and it certainly doesn't give them ownership of it.

Neither party has shown any indication that they want to actually fix things. No matter what the court does, the situation will not get better until we put more competent people in DC, and I'm not holding my breath for that to happen.

We've heard much talk about Obamacare. Now it's time to introduce the American people to the alternative--Republicare. Republicare--how to pay more for health care while getting less.

What legislation might you be referring to? With the dims still in control of the senate and white house, there is absolutely 0 chance of the republicans passing any health care legislation. The democrats own, and will continue to own, the mess. Too late to try and blame republicans.

 

[Mursilis]

They don't understand what needs to be done any more than you.

That's completely wrong. We have several health care experts here, most with plans that are both fiscally-responsible and generous with benefits for all. It's simply shocking that gov't can't solve this simple issue!

 

[Anarchist420]

Less healthcare for people. Probably phase out employer healthcare except the high end.

Why would you rather have employers get tax deductions for providing health insurance instead of everyone being allowed to tax deduct all of their personal and dependent health care expenses?

Remember where their leading figure got his political start - the national anti-Medicare campaign AMA spokesman, 'Ronald Reagan speaks out against socialized medicine'.

Do you even know why the AMA was started? It was started in the 1840s to lobby for licensure laws. The point of the licensure laws was to limit/reduce the number of people who could practice medicine which would keep wages (and consequently, prices) high for those who were selected, not by the market, but by the state, to practice medicine.

allow inter-state competition between insurance companies?

I wouldn't bet on that although that wouldn't be bad.

 

[MomentsofSanity]

No, of course not. The court decides if something is constitutional or not. If they find that it's not, it just means obummer and his minions pushed through legislation that does not abide by the constitution, nothing more, nothing less. It doesn't make republicans any more or less responsible for the mess of a system we have, and it certainly doesn't give them ownership of it.

Neither party has shown any indication that they want to actually fix things. No matter what the court does, the situation will not get better until we put more competent people in DC, and I'm not holding my breath for that to happen.



What legislation might you be referring to? With the dims still in control of the senate and white house, there is absolutely 0 chance of the republicans passing any health care legislation. The democrats own, and will continue to own, the mess. Too late to try and blame republicans.

You say that as though the GOP, by way of presenting a meaningful and effective alternative, couldn't influence people when they go to the polls. Think of who the ones are in dire need of affordable care. Then think of who they vote for.

 

[child of wonder]

Simple. Massive tax cuts for insurance companies who will then pass the savings on to the consumer.

 

[Atreus21]

If Obamacare ends up being declared unconstitutional, will that declaration be tantamount to the Republicans taking ownership of the health care issue and blame for the current state of our health care system?

Do the Republicans have a plan for health care, and if so, what is it? Do they have some sort of a plan that will bring us closer to the sorts of results that every other industrialized first world country has (100% coverage, much less expensive as a percentage of GDP, zero medical bankruptcies)?

Or is the Republican plan simply some sort of a dressed up variant of status quo "Don't get sick, and if you do get sick, die quickly?" Will the Republicans come out in favor of supporting or at least condoning private insurance company death panels?

We've heard much talk about Obamacare. Now it's time to introduce the American people to the alternative--Republicare. Republicare--how to pay more for health care while getting less.

When your competition's cure is worse than the disease, you don't need an alternative plan.

 

[xBiffx]

Funny to see how the left is going to somehow turn this SC decision around and make it the right's fault. That picture is beyond hilarious. So would people not have died with Obamacare? Was it somehow going to cure death? Got news, people will die, with or without insurance. And poor people were going to be no better off under Obamacare. Health insurance does not solve the underlying problem and the conditions they live in which make them unhealthy to begin with.

 

[jackstar7]

allow inter-state competition between insurance companies?

With what kind of regulations? Or are we going to play out the credit industry horseshit all over again?

 

[shadow9d9]

Funny to see how the left is going to somehow turn this SC decision around and make it the right's fault. That picture is beyond hilarious. So would people not have died with Obamacare? Was it somehow going to cure death? Got news, people will die, with or without insurance. And poor people were going to be no better off under Obamacare. Health insurance does not solve the underlying problem and the conditions they live in which make them unhealthy to begin with.

People having insurance would bring costs down for everyone since everyone already pays for ER visits for runny noses. People would have a chance to see the doctor and get preventative care more readily, which reduces costs in the long run. 85% of insurance costs must go back out to people.

Who said anyone was "unhealthy"? You could be in great shape but got sick once in the past and then have a "pre-existing condition" which allows them not to cover you, period, as of right now.

 

[shadow9d9]

When your competition's cure is worse than the disease, you don't need an alternative plan.

This is and always has been the Republican plan.

Aside from this, there are no republican alternatives, since they have never cared enough to initiate legislation despite 12 years in a row of congressional control.

 

[brandonb]

Here is what the plan is....your're FUCKED!

Unless you have a job. But I'm sure you have no idea what that is.

 

[nageov3t]

Here is what the plan is....your're FUCKED!

really, Obamacare is the Republican plan.

and I, for one, am shocked that the Republicans designed a system that stomps on the constitution.

 

[QuantumPion]

People having insurance would bring costs down for everyone since everyone already pays for ER visits for runny noses. People would have a chance to see the doctor and get preventative care more readily, which reduces costs in the long run. 85% of insurance costs must go back out to people.

No they wouldn't. Medicaid is driving doctors out of business left and right all by itself. Obamacare would make things even worse. Forcing people to buy health insurance won't make more doctors suddenly appear out of thin air.

Who said anyone was "unhealthy"? You could be in great shape but got sick once in the past and then have a "pre-existing condition" which allows them not to cover you, period, as of right now.

Wrong. There is already a law requiring insurance companies to cover pre-existing conditions if you were previously covered. The only case where pre-existing conditions is not covered is when you don't buy health insurance until after you get sick and expect to get full benefits. But even then some states (NJ, MA to name a couple) require by law to cover you.

 

[QuantumPion]

really, Obamacare is the Republican plan.

and I, for one, am shocked that the Republicans designed a system that stomps on the constitution.

The republican healthcare reform bill back in 2010 was about medicaid reform, giving block grants to states, etc. It wasn't a total fix but it would have helped the problem instead of making it worse.

The conservative health care reform plan is to bring back market forces into health care. The reason why health care is so expensive is because no one is paying for it.

 

[QuantumPion]

really, Obamacare is the Republican plan.

and I, for one, am shocked that the Republicans designed a system that stomps on the constitution.

The republican healthcare reform bill back in 2010 was about medicaid reform, giving block grants to states, etc. It wasn't a total fix but it would have helped the problem instead of making it worse.

The conservative health care reform plan is to bring back market forces into health care. The reason why health care is so expensive is because no one is paying for it.

It's funny that the kook libs like to scream that Republicans want to kill old people, when it is in fact their own plan and Obama himself that state outright that they will have death panels and refuse treatment to old people. Social security out of control? No problem! Obamacare kills all the seniors who get sick. Kill two birds with one stone!

 

[Bird222]

really, Obamacare is the Republican plan.

and I, for one, am shocked that the Republicans designed a system that stomps on the constitution.

I'm really not. For years they have been talking out of both sides of their mouths concerning the constitution. I want people that are against healthcare reform to be intellectually honest. When someone doesn't have health insurance or personal wealth to cover their medical cost to let the hospital let them die including their own son or daughter. Please cheer just as loud for freedom and the free market when the hospital says we won't treat your son and he'll be dead within the hour. I won't hold my breath waiting for those cheers.

 

[blankslate]

Do the Republicans have a plan for health care, and if so, what is it?

Oddly enough Republicans once introduced a plan that looked a lot like Obamacare.

Here is a chart with the details

http://www.kaiserhealthnews.org/graphics/2010/022310-bill-comparison.aspx


Of course once you show that to a die hard Repbulican they'll start doing mental gymnastics....

 

[xBiffx]

People having insurance would bring costs down for everyone since everyone already pays for ER visits for runny noses. People would have a chance to see the doctor and get preventative care more readily, which reduces costs in the long run. 85% of insurance costs must go back out to people.

Who said anyone was "unhealthy"? You could be in great shape but got sick once in the past and then have a "pre-existing condition" which allows them not to cover you, period, as of right now.

One word, Canada.

 

[xBiffx]

Oddly enough Republicans once introduced a plan that looked a lot like Obamacare.

Here is a chart with the details

http://www.kaiserhealthnews.org/graphics/2010/022310-bill-comparison.aspx


Of course once you show that to a die hard Repbulican they'll start doing mental gymnastics....

Liberals continue to bring up this fact. I see few people refuting that republicans authored the original idea. Where liberals fail is seeing the difference in that republicans didn't force it through. They didn't enact any law or try to get the SC to make a decision on anything. They tested the waters and put it to rest when they saw it was not popular. The constitutionality of it was rarely discussed because it wasn't going anywhere. I'm not sure why you are trying to pin anything on Republicans when they didn't do anything but draft a bill and let it die.

 

[blankslate]

Where liberals fail is seeing the difference in that republicans didn't force it through.

They didn't have the votes to do it. Once they killed Hillary Care it was enough for them anyways.

However given the nature of the geographical areas of the countries in question that have some form of "Universal Health Care"
it's probably better for individual states to implement their own plan. Only on a procedural basis. It'll take longer and the costs of letting people go without will continue.