Republicans Supporting Arming 4 Year Olds

[Perknose]

You just can't make this stuff up.

 

[Blackjack200]

This is the Sacha Baron Cohen stuff I presume. From what I've heard, it's absolutely incredible, I need to find a way to watch it.

 

[Commodus]

As I understand, the 'victims' claim they didn't really support that view and that Cohen was pulling a fast one on them... but I don't buy it. If you're a good person, you don't even entertain the thought of arming young kids -- you shut down the vaguest insinuation of it.

 

[zzyzxroad]

This is the Sacha Baron Cohen stuff I presume. From what I've heard, it's absolutely incredible, I need to find a way to watch it.

Showtime is currently offering a free 30 day trial on their website.

 

[[DHT]Osiris]

If you're a good person, you don't even entertain the thought of arming young kids

Eh... I'd be careful with that kind of generalization. There are still places in the US where you hunt to eat, and it's not terribly uncommon to start kids with a .22 or .17 'Kiddo's First Rifle' around age 5-7. I'd say 4 is too young though, in most cases. It's also not necessary for a child to have a gun, again, in most cases.

I just wouldn't necessarily associate it with 'bad person'.

 

[IronWing]

Eh... I'd be careful with that kind of generalization. There are still places in the US where you hunt to eat, and it's not terribly uncommon to start kids with a .22 or .17 'Kiddo's First Rifle' around age 5-7. I'd say 4 is too young though, in most cases. It's also not necessary for a child to have a gun, again, in most cases.

I just wouldn't necessarily associate it with 'bad person'.

I call bullshit.

 

[Blackjack200]

I call bullshit.

Yeah, I find that pretty dubious. People that eat what they hunt? Sure. Places where hunting and eating the game is fairly routine? I suppose. Places where you literally hunt so you don't go hungry? Nah.

 

[[DHT]Osiris]

I call bullshit.

You'd be wrong, promise. It's very, very minimal, but even minimal in the US is enough to not blanket statements, cuz it's still an appreciable number of people.

I grew up near areas where this was 'a thing', as did my GF. Common things seen in same areas are people donating deer/wild boar meat to shelters/families in need, potluck Christmases (or just clothing) for those that can't afford them, etc.

EDIT: To clarify, these are very, very, exceedingly low income families. Bullets are a lot cheaper than meat if you can legally hunt.

 

[jackstar7]

It's also not necessary for a child to have a gun, again, in most cases.

If I may put on my Quibbler cos-play for a moment: When is it necessary for a child to have a gun?

 

[[DHT]Osiris]

If I may put on my Quibbler cos-play for a moment: When is it necessary for a child to have a gun?

Per my above statements, there's some places still where having a kid practicing shooting as a youth can actually keep food on the table as a young adult, so in those cases it might be 'necessary' (presuming they don't go on to do something else with their life). Again, i'll state, this is a vanishingly small minority. I only point it out to refute to the original statement that 'only bad people let kids have guns'.

 

[Commodus]

Eh... I'd be careful with that kind of generalization. There are still places in the US where you hunt to eat, and it's not terribly uncommon to start kids with a .22 or .17 'Kiddo's First Rifle' around age 5-7. I'd say 4 is too young though, in most cases. It's also not necessary for a child to have a gun, again, in most cases.

I just wouldn't necessarily associate it with 'bad person'.

Oh, I'm aware that some kids do get weapons at the age you describe... but Cohen, of course, got them to support age 4. And I agree that kids probably shouldn't even touch a gun at these age ranges, even if it's customary in some places.

 

[soundforbjt]

repost:
https://forums.anandtech.com/threads/who-is-america-gop-says-give-toddlers-guns.2551211/

 

[mect]

Yeah, I find that pretty dubious. People that eat what they hunt? Sure. Places where hunting and eating the game is fairly routine? I suppose. Places where you literally hunt so you don't go hungry? Nah.

Do you accept there are families in America that still go hungry? If so, why would it be a stretch to believe that there are families that will go hungry if they don't hunt? While it certainly isn't common, neither is it particularly rare. You have families in conservative, rural America that have 6 plus kids and make $30k a year. If you visit rural Oregon, Washington, Idaho, Montana, Wyoming and I'm sure other states, and you'll find these people.

 

[zzyzxroad]

Eh... I'd be careful with that kind of generalization. There are still places in the US where you hunt to eat, and it's not terribly uncommon to start kids with a .22 or .17 'Kiddo's First Rifle' around age 5-7. I'd say 4 is too young though, in most cases. It's also not necessary for a child to have a gun, again, in most cases.

I just wouldn't necessarily associate it with 'bad person'.

That isn't what the bit was about though. They were talking about arming young children for self defense not hunting to put food on the table.

 

[whm1974]

Do you accept there are families in America that still go hungry? If so, why would it be a stretch to believe that there are families that will go hungry if they don't hunt? While it certainly isn't common, neither is it particularly rare. You have families in conservative, rural America that have 6 plus kids and make $30k a year. If you visit rural Oregon, Washington, Idaho, Montana, Wyoming and I'm sure other states, and you'll find these people.

While I myself didn't grow up in sort of environment, I knew people who did. It is still quite common in rural areas.

 

[[DHT]Osiris]

That isn't what the bit was about though. They were talking about arming young children for self defense not hunting to put food on the table.

Yeah that's pretty asinine. I don't have audio right now so didn't bother with the vid! Commodus' statement had nothing to specify self-defense though

 

[whm1974]

That isn't what the bit was about though. They were talking about arming young children for self defense not hunting to put food on the table.

If are talking about children that young, then I agree.

 

[Amused]

I have a low Blink 182 count because my Wheeze Khalifa gland is malformed

 

[Blackjack200]

The ongoing Twitter dialogue is just incredible.

https://twitter.com/walshfreedom/status/1018481114158194688

 

[soundforbjt]

The ongoing Twitter dialogue is just incredible.

https://twitter.com/walshfreedom/status/1018481114158194688

I like this one:

Hey Joe, my daughter will become a "first grenader" next month. What kind of starter handgun do you recommend for her first day of school?

Sounds like a poster here...grenades?

 

[evident]

Per my above statements, there's some places still where having a kid practicing shooting as a youth can actually keep food on the table as a young adult, so in those cases it might be 'necessary' (presuming they don't go on to do something else with their life). Again, i'll state, this is a vanishingly small minority. I only point it out to refute to the original statement that 'only bad people let kids have guns'.

You are talking about a miniscule percentage of the US population vs these politicians who just said that arming kids in schools is a good thing.

 

[pcgeek11]

That is the stupidest thing I have ever seen. Ant that guy in the video! Who would even discuss anything with that clown. He looks like Frankenstein, What kind of idiot falls for this?

There has to be some heavy editing with that footage. Or we need to just scrap congress and start over.

 

[brycejones]

That is the stupidest thing I have ever seen. Ant that guy in the video! Who would even discuss anything with that clown. He looks like Frankenstein, What kind of idiot falls for this?

There has to be some heavy editing with that footage. Or we need to just scrap congress and start over.

Never underestimate the ability of a politician to be a fool if they think its in support of a group they see as a critical part of their base. In this case the NRA has them so cowed they are afraid to do anything that could even remotely be construed as being against guns in anyway.

 

[Perknose]

What kind of idiot falls for this?

Trent Lott, Dana Rohrabacher, Joe Wilson, Joe Walsh, and Larry "The science behind this program is proven. [...] Children under 5 also have elevated levels of the pheromone Blink 182 [...] to the Weez Kalifa!" Pratt.

These guys gleefully slurped up that arrant nonsense and asked for more! Ask yourself why.

Or we need to just scrap congress and start over.

Well, at least demand the immediate resignation of every congressman (hint: They're all Republicans in position of leadership!) in that video.

Come to the light, p-geek! We're standing in the sunlight of reason and so can you! Friends don't let friends vote Republican.

 

[Bitek]

I wish this was the worst thing said this week and we were back at a normal level of stupid.