Republicans still pushing Jan 6 conspiracies even in the face of being debunked.

HomerJS

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I suspect Republicans think their peeps are really stupid. Based on some of our posters I suspect that is true. First it was Antifa. Then it was a peaceful tourist event. That turned into the FBI instigated the violence.

Clay Higgens accuses FBI director of having FBI imbeds at Jan 6 attack

They then try to double down on their lunacy by claiming someone flashed an FBI badge. Turns out it was a vape pen.
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Republican Senator Mike Lee isn't giving up on finding enough stupid people to believe that debunked conspiracy. Despite Trump admitting in recordings J6 insurrectionists were his people
Mike Lee not giving up on corralling morons to buy their conspiracy.

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A conspiracy theory spread through Saturday that a man entering the U.S. Capitol on Jan. 6, 2021, flashed a police badge to a cop and was ushered inside. It's part of the right's ongoing attempt to claim that hundreds of FBI agents flooded into the building, leading Donald Trump's supporters into the building.

Last week, a Trump appointee, FBI Director Christopher Wray, appeared before the House, where Rep. Clay Higgins (R-LA) raged over a photo of buses parked in a garage. He claimed that the buses were filled with secret FBI agents.

A Republican candidate for Congress in West Virginia, who pleaded guilty to a felony charge of civil disorder and spent three months in prison, is the one who posted the conspiracy.

Lee shared the post, saying, "I can’t wait to ask FBI Director Christopher Wray about this at our next oversight hearing. I predict that, as always, his answers will be 97% information-free."

The social media site, previously known as Twitter, included a fact-check dispelling the lie, saying, "The person in the photo is Kevin Lyons. He has been sentenced to 51 months in prison for his illegal activities inside the Capitol on J6. He is not a police officer and is not holding a badge. He is carrying a vape and a photograph and wallet stolen from Pelosi's office."

NBC News justice reporter Ryan Rilley submitted one of the many screen captures fact-checking the senator's claim.

Want to know one of the reasons this country is imploding from within? Here's your evidence.
 
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Fenixgoon

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I suspect Republicans think their peeps are really stupid. Based on some of our posters I suspect that is true. First it was Antifa. Then it was a peaceful tourist event. That turned into the FBI instigated the violence.

Clay Higgens accuses FBI director of having FBI imbeds at Jan 6 attack

They then try to double down on their lunacy by claiming someone flashed an FBI badge. Turns out it was a vape pen.
Price is Right failure sound

Republican Senator Mike Lee isn't giving up on finding enough stupid people to believe that debunked conspiracy. Despite Trump admitting in recordings J6 insurrectionists were his people
Mike Lee not giving up on corralling morons to buy their conspiracy.

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Want to know one of the reasons this country is imploding from within? Here's your evidence.
We need a sad emote response on the "like" button.
Fuck me we are screwed.
 
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Jaskalas

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I suspect Republicans think their peeps are really stupid.
Stupidity is not the driving force.
It is a fervent desire for power, through force.
It is human nature to be detached from reality and push a belief.
To take a simple belief and whip it into a frenzied system for the attainment of power.

Religion is the basic human OS. Every core aspect of it is how our brains function.
It's just that some tribes tried a funny thing called reason, truth, and science.
But believe me when I tell you this, those things are only accepted if people are conditioned to accept them.
Absent that education, that indoctrination, people will just listen to whatever they want if it serves their self interest.

All that is required for them to believe any of their own BS, is if they identify with MAGA.
After that, the crazy just writes itself. To call and reduce them to "stupid" is missing the entire story, and the systemic danger they pose.
Because this crazy train is not stopping. It cannot stop, due to the fervent zealous desire driving it. They write fiction, and the lemmings nod their empty heads.
Humans cannot be reasoned with, for humans are not reasonable. This is the source of all our history of violence. We will not escape writing more of it.
 

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I can see how the GOP base wold accept random theories so they wouldn't have to own Jan 6 but surely the independents aren't being fooled. They saw the events live and the Congressional investigation that laid out the events. I would expect this to be a turn off for those in the middle to support the GOP.
 
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fskimospy

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I can see how the GOP base wold accept random theories so they wouldn't have to own Jan 6 but surely the independents aren't being fooled. They saw the events live and the Congressional investigation that laid out the events. I would expect this to be a turn off for those in the middle to support the GOP.
Yes, most of this is contained within the GOP base, which is essentially a bunch of people lying to each other as a form of emotional support. (We couldn’t have attacked the Capitol because we are the good guys!)

The main danger is if the mainstream media picks this stuff up like they used to in the past. It used to go:
1) someone on the internet makes up an insane lie.
2) extreme right officials/talking heads pick it up.
3) Fox then reports on it saying ‘why isn’t the mainstream media covering this?’
4) mainstream media is shamed into publishing far right lies.

Things have gotten a bit better in this regard but decades of conservatives working the refs still has normal media shy of calling them out.
 
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BoomerD

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No, no, NO! The truth is not what you’ve seen on a million news broadcasts or in newspaper stories…silly peon, the TRUTH is what we tell you it is.
 

fskimospy

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Wait, wait now is the time for someone to ask him “I thought they were all Antifa” “why do you want to protect Antifa?”
What I’m trying to understand is why the planted federal law enforcement who attacked the Capitol need to be protected from federal law enforcement. Shouldn’t they know who their agents are?

This is an interesting intersection between right wing America and Russia. They no longer feel even a cursory need to be consistent. Whatever lie is convenient in the moment is what you go with.
 
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What I’m trying to understand is why the planted federal law enforcement who attacked the Capitol need to be protected from federal law enforcement. Shouldn’t they know who their agents are?

This is an interesting intersection between right wing America and Russia. They no longer feel even a cursory need to be consistent. Whatever lie is convenient in the moment is what you go with.
Make him explain it and sweat it out. Make these fuckers as uncomfortable as possible, ask the above question continuously “Why are you protecting Antifa, you said the majority of the rioters were Antifa plants”
 

fskimospy

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Make him explain it and sweat it out. Make these fuckers as uncomfortable as possible, ask the above question continuously “Why are you protecting Antifa, you said the majority of the rioters were Antifa plants”
Unfortunately I think this is a category error. They don’t care about lying so they will just make up new lies.

Consistency is irrelevant to them. They are persecuted patriots today but they will be antifa tomorrow if that suits them.