Egads.
In terms of economically recoverable oil he seems to be correct.
OK, you have eleventy trillion bbls of oil to last a billion years. That's great!
Now suppose it costs $1000 a bbl to obtain. Where's the utility of that pool of oil? It might as well be in another universe.
Much of the oil is either too expensive or would poison ground water if obtained. Want to piss off westerners? Ruin their wells.
Context is important.
First of all, USGS includes off-shore wells within state-waters. As to the amount of resources found on the U.S. Outer Continental shelf, there is about an additional 81 BBO. Secondly, I have no idea what your BLM link gets it's info from, but proven US reserves are 19 BBO (from OPEC report below), with USGS estimating an additional undiscovered at 27 BBO as I have previously shown. For conventional oil, perhaps BLM is trying to include shale conversion but I can't be bothered to look into it in much more detail.
Finally, I think I have to teach you even more about this survey that you don't seem to understand. You're trying to link a BLM study which doesn't even seem to match other official estimates, that includes BOTH known and unproven reserves, and then ratio to a USGS of UNKNOWN world-wide reserves.
Total known world-wide reserves is:
http://www.opec.org/opec_web/static_files_project/media/downloads/publications/ASB2010_2011.pdf
World proven oil reserves is 1.2 Trillion (page 22 of the above report). The USGS is estimating an additional 565 billion barrels of oil exist world wide.
If we talk about proven reserves we are at approximately 19/1,200 = 1.58%
If we talk about combined proven & unproven we are at about (19+27 + 81) / (1,200 + 565 + 27) = 7.1%.
Don't feel bad, reading comprehension is not a wide-spread trait.
*edit* correct math to include USA estimate in denominator*
First of all, USGS includes off-shore wells within state-waters. As to the amount of resources found on the U.S. Outer Continental shelf, there is about an additional 81 BBO. Secondly, I have no idea what your BLM link gets it's info from, but proven US reserves are 19 BBO (from OPEC report below), with USGS estimating an additional undiscovered at 27 BBO as I have previously shown. For conventional oil, perhaps BLM is trying to include shale conversion but I can't be bothered to look into it in much more detail.
Egads.
In terms of economically recoverable oil he seems to be correct.
OK, you have eleventy trillion bbls of oil to last a billion years. That's great!
Now suppose it costs $1000 a bbl to obtain. Where's the utility of that pool of oil? It might as well be in another universe.
Much of the oil is either too expensive or would poison ground water if obtained. Want to piss off westerners? Ruin their wells.
Context is important.
Yep, unfortunately for Obamites, Obama said "drilled every square inch". That is very specific and says he is ignoring things such as price and damages caused by drilling.
I find the Obamite mindset fascinating in that they can completely ignore what he actually says and pretend it never happened...even while it is repeatedly shown to them.
Yep, unfortunately for Obamites, Obama said "drilled every square inch". That is very specific and says he is ignoring things such as price and damages caused by drilling.
I find the Obamite mindset fascinating in that they can completely ignore what he actually says and pretend it never happened...even while it is repeatedly shown to them.
Seeing as how we haven't done it, I do not see how everyone is such an expert on the results of more drilling. All you can do is speculate at this point. We have all seen the results of having more oil on the market but somehow it doesn't seem to matter when it's US oil on the market and a Liberal President opposed to drilling. Congratulations, you win the political debate. Your prize is $4/gallon gas. Enjoy.
3. The price of oil is being inflated by many factors, such as OPEC and speculators. I see no light at the end of the tunnel. Is there any reason not to attempt to become independent of this charade? I mean, what is the point of electric cars (in that they lessen the amount of total oil we use), if they have zero affect on what we pay for gas?
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I'm sorry but the USA is a minor player in the grand-scheme of world-wide pricing.
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1. I don't see supply and demand having much of anything to do with the current price of oil. There is a graph in another thread showing that our demand for gasoline is much lower than used to be, and gas prices are through the roof. Supply and demand may have been an issue when gas was $1 a gallon, but frankly I think prices now are too high to notice.
It's not just current demand/supply, but also expectations about future demand/supply.
And here we have a problem.
We are the 3rd largest oil producer in the world. People want to freak about price if productions drops in Iran, Iraq etc. We produce far more than any of them.
The problem: Our producing wells are winding down. I.e., production from them will be dropping. I.e., less supply.
And we've done little or nothing to bring more online.
Prices are going to rise as long as future production is forecast to diminish and supply doesn't. We can ameliorate that by signaling we're going to produce more. Approve some of the damn exploration permits etc. The longer that is drawn out and delayed, and I believe it's done so purposefully for political ideology, the higher the price will rise, all else being equal.
Fern
Are you kidding? What about a farmer who produces his own food, is he like a meth attic too??? What a stupid remark! And yes, a meth attic that cooks his own meth would not have to pay a drug dealer, therefore being meth independent.
Yep, unfortunately for Obamites, Obama said "drilled every square inch". That is very specific and says he is ignoring things such as price and damages caused by drilling.
I find the Obamite mindset fascinating in that they can completely ignore what he actually says and pretend it never happened...even while it is repeatedly shown to them.
Why the fuck is this meaningless article comparing USGS survey of the whole world to a Energy Information Administration survey of the USA.
How about we compared the USGS survey of the world to a USGS survey of the USA
USGS Survey of world, conventional oil = http://pubs.usgs.gov/fs/2012/3042/fs2012-3042.pdf = 565 Billion barrels
USGS Survey of USA, conventional oil = 27 BBO as shown below
Ratio = 27 / 565 = 4.8% so Obama is still wrong, but the number is not as retarded as presented by this worthless rag of an article.
Please keep in mind this is all for conventional oil, as indicated on the world and USA surveys. Unconventional oil estimates would be correspondingly much larger for both the world and the USA.
Republicans are less than honest when calling Obama "less than honest?" Shocking
Undiscovered oil is not proven oil reserves, dummies.
You expect me to believe you that it includes off shore reserves when you quote from a report specifically about On Shore reserves while saying you cannot be bothered to support your own statement?
No, I do not blindly trust you.
USGS said:Resources in the United States
This assessment does not include undiscovered, conventional resources in the United States, which the USGS currently estimates holds 27 bbo and 388 tcf of natural gas onshore and in State waters. Additionally, there are an estimated 81 bbo and 398 tcf of natural gas in the U.S. Outer Continental Shelf (OCS), according to the Bureau of Ocean Energy Management.
Fern said:We are the 3rd largest oil producer in the world. People want to freak about price if productions drops in Iran, Iraq etc. We produce far more than any of them.
Wow, you guys need to stop playing politics and support putting more oil on the market. If any one of the OPEC nations can decide to choke production and the price rises (which has happened quite often) than putting more oil on the market will surely bring the price down.
Jeebus. It's more than clear supply affects prices. People saying that if we increase production it won't affect prices are crazy.
Even the Obama admin knows supply affect demand. Biden etc were telling the Saudi's to produce more when the price started rising.
The price of oil has proven to be remarkably sensitive to even small changes in supply or demand. Go back and look at mid 2008 (IIRC). Two things happened, Bush announced more drilling and the economy started to go bad. The price plunged dramatically. However, if you look at a chart of demand it only moved fractionally lower. That demonstrates the price is remarkably sensitive to even minor changes in demand and, also, the, markets' expectations regarding future changes in demand or supply.
Fern
Because of declining production and increasing demand, Net US imports of oil and petroleum products increased by 400% from 3.16 million barrels per day (502×103 m3/d) in 1970 to 12.04 million barrels per day (1.914×106 m3/d) in 2007. Its largest net suppliers of petroleum products in 2007 were Canada and Mexico, which supplied 2.2 and 1.3 Mbbl/d (350×103 and 210×103 m3/d), respectively.[6]