Republicans overwhelmingly support obamacare

[ShawnD1]

I thought this was interesting
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a3s7q8Uwk-0&feature=plcp
Asked if people hate "obamacare," they say yes. If asked about each individual issue contained in obamacare, they support obamacare. Stupid people are stupid.

What's interesting is that this applies to a lot of other issues. When asked things like "should rich people be taxed more than they currently are" a majority of democrats and republicans say yes. Strangely, neither party has that on the agenda.

 

[Matthiasa]

Does that really surprise you?
Threaten to take SS, Medicare or Medicaid from them and what do you think will happen?

 

[Infohawk]

This has already been discussed in other threads. The problem with the argument is that Republicans do not support the individual mandate, which is a key component. So yeah you can list ten factors making 9 of them less consequential and then say that your opponents agree with 90% of your bill, but it misses the point.

If you like Obamacare, advocate for it. Don't pretend your opponents agree with you when they don't.

 

[Charles Kozierok]

That chart is the equivalent of someone saying they want to watch TV all day, eat unlimited quantities of fattening foods -- and lose weight.

Americans want to have their cake and eat it too. They want benefits but they don't want to pay for them. Not a big surprise.

 

[Jhhnn]

This has already been discussed in other threads. The problem with the argument is that Republicans do not support the individual mandate, which is a key component. So yeah you can list ten factors making 9 of them less consequential and then say that your opponents agree with 90% of your bill, but it misses the point.

If you like Obamacare, advocate for it. Don't pretend your opponents agree with you when they don't.

So, uhh, Republicans want something for nothing, right?

This is new?

 

[Infohawk]

So, uhh, Republicans want something for nothing, right?

This is new?

Your response is not really relevant to what I posted. OP said Republicans basically like Obamacare but don't want to admit it. That's not really the case. They have substantive disagreements.

 

[Jhhnn]

Your response is not really relevant to what I posted. OP said Republicans basically like Obamacare but don't want to admit it. That's not really the case. They have substantive disagreements.

Heh. Their substantive issues are that they don't want to pay for it through the mechanisms provided. Take that away, & they like it, because it's then free.

They employ a lot of magical thinking wrt every issue, and this is no different.

 

[cubby1223]

And please point me to which of those items reduces the costs of health care, instead of diverting the payments to an alternate source.

 

[cubby1223]

Heh. Their substantive issues are that they don't want to pay for it through the mechanisms provided. Take that away, & they like it, because it's then free.

They employ a lot of magical thinking wrt every issue, and this is no different.

Really? The whole argument for Obamacare rests on the notion of giving away free stuff.

The day after the Supreme Court ruling, did you not notice the advertising blitz on t.v. telling those wonderful stories of Obamacare's free benefits improving people's lives?

 

[Jhhnn]

Really? The whole argument for Obamacare rests on the notion of giving away free stuff.

The day after the Supreme Court ruling, did you not notice the advertising blitz on t.v. telling those wonderful stories of Obamacare's free benefits improving people's lives?

I didn't notice the "free" part... maybe it was spoken in some sort of code that only fringe-whacks can decipher...

 

[soulcougher73]

This has already been discussed in other threads. The problem with the argument is that Republicans do not support the individual mandate, which is a key component. So yeah you can list ten factors making 9 of them less consequential and then say that your opponents agree with 90% of your bill, but it misses the point.

If you like Obamacare, advocate for it. Don't pretend your opponents agree with you when they don't.

Maybe your conservatives leaders should not have proposed the individual mandate if they hate it so much.

 

[Phokus]

This has already been discussed in other threads. The problem with the argument is that Republicans do not support the individual mandate, which is a key component. So yeah you can list ten factors making 9 of them less consequential and then say that your opponents agree with 90% of your bill, but it misses the point.

If you like Obamacare, advocate for it. Don't pretend your opponents agree with you when they don't.

That poll is outdated though, in a newer poll, more Americans now like Obamacare than not:

http://livewire.talkingpointsmemo.com/entries/pew-poll-public-approval-of-obamacare-above-water

 

[Infohawk]

Maybe your conservatives leaders should not have proposed the individual mandate if they hate it so much.

What do you mean by my conservative leaders? Do you think I'm a Republican because I pointed out a flaw in OP's post? So much black and white thinking in this thread.

 

[Jhhnn]

Maybe your conservatives leaders should not have proposed the individual mandate if they hate it so much.

Shush, you! They're having a helluva time maintaining denial the way it is, and you're not helping them get back into that smug & comfy zone they crave...

 

[cubby1223]

I didn't notice the "free" part... maybe it was spoken in some sort of code that only fringe-whacks can decipher...

The ad I wanted to highlight (from the government & health.gov) I can't find find reposted on youtube, it's an elderly man specifically said during his free screening they found early stages of cancer and was able to treat it, and thanks to the act's free screenings he is able to enjoy a longer life with his family.

Sorry, guess it was my "fringe-whack" fault for deciphering the word "free" into the word "free".

These quick examples will have to do. Notice how nowhere in any of these official government ads does the word "free" ever appear

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BjALRFZSriI&feature=plcp
"Now Free Under Medicare"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z5LQlnov1Uc&feature=plcp
"No co-pay"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r99zbj6Bl_M&feature=plcp
"Millions of Americans like you are eligible for free preventative care, screenings, and soon birth-control"


Do you never get tired of being a partisan hack?

 

[cubby1223]

I notice all you other partisan hacks have also failed to answer my other question above, where are the cost reductions in Obamacare?

 

[Jhhnn]

The ad I wanted to highlight (from the government & health.gov) I can't find find reposted on youtube, it's an elderly man specifically said during his free screening they found early stages of cancer and was able to treat it, and thanks to the act's free screenings he is able to enjoy a longer life with his family.

Sorry, guess it was my "fringe-whack" fault for deciphering the word "free" into the word "free".

These quick examples will have to do. Notice how nowhere in any of these official government ads does the word "free" ever appear

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BjALRFZSriI&feature=plcp
"Now Free Under Medicare"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z5LQlnov1Uc&feature=plcp
"No co-pay"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r99zbj6Bl_M&feature=plcp
"Millions of Americans like you are eligible for free preventative care, screenings, and soon birth-control"


Do you never get tired of being a partisan hack?

You are correct about the free under medicare part, but the no copays isn't represented as free, but rather as a covered service under all healthcare insurance plans.

All of which is fine by me with mandated participation helping to pay for it all. You'll get old, too, if you don't die in a fit of apoplectic wingnut rage, and no copays for covered services may well encourage women you know & love to get checkups, take care of themselves.

 

[cubby1223]

Jhnnn:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Of_ZiJNZvyw
"Free Preventative care"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xPye2aRezc8
"Under the Affordable Care Act many preventive services are offered free of charge. Because of this, Judy underwent a mammogram with no cost to her--helping her save money. This free mammogram caught the breast cancer early."

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w4n_qBZf3R0
"Free screenings save lives"

Do I need to continue proving how wrong you are?

http://www.google.com/#q=free+health+care+site:www.barackobama.com

 

[Jhhnn]

I notice all you other partisan hacks have also failed to answer my other question above, where are the cost reductions in Obamacare?

Theoretical cost reductions are indirect, based on reduced dependency for emergency room services & better preventive care, including contraceptive coverage. How that'll work out remains to be seen.

 

[Jhhnn]

Jhnnn:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Of_ZiJNZvyw
"Free Preventative care"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xPye2aRezc8
"Under the Affordable Care Act many preventive services are offered free of charge. Because of this, Judy underwent a mammogram with no cost to her--helping her save money. This free mammogram caught the breast cancer early."

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w4n_qBZf3R0
"Free screenings save lives"

Do I need to continue proving how wrong you are?

Yes, free services under medicare have been expanded, although they've never really been free, anyway, at least not according to my paycheck & everybody else's. Well, not Mitt's- income from carried interest isn't subject to medicare or SS taxes...

 

[sactoking]

In re: the OP. That's not a sign of stupidity. It's quite plausible that anything can be desirable when broken down to its constituent components yet is undesirable as a whole. For example, I like potato salad, strawberry ice cream, and BBQ sauce yet would never eat all three after they'd been put in a blender. It's also possible to like the MLR requirement, the pre-existing conditions exclusion, and the no underwriting/instant issue requirement and not like them all together since the combination will serve to drive up premiums in the range of 20-40%.

In re: "free" healthcare, yes it's being advertised a lot now. It's gonna be ugly though when people find out their "free" stuff isn't free. For example, under the ACA colonoscopies are free preventive care. Yet if the colonoscopy finds something, like a polyp, it is no longer preventive care, it is now diagnostic care and no longer free. So, you can lie down on the table thinking it's free and get up several hundred of dollars poorer.

 

[Pr0d1gy]

I have yet to see anyone on the right explain to me how having more people accept personal responsibility, which is exactly what Obamacare does, is against their very own ideaology. This is why I no longer support the party I supported for 30 years, that my parents support, etc. It not only feels like they're saying things just to try and hit a nerve with the audience, it is blatantly obvious they will lie and completely undercut their own beliefs.

Personally, I am completely against Obamacare or any kind of universal healthcare. I feel that excessive litigation and absurd settlements have driven the costs through the roof, thus making healthcare all but untouchable for many in this country. We have the best system but, once again, our legal branch has seriously overstepped it's boundaries and pushed our once great medical system into being just another liable business that has to overcharge by a great magnitude just to cover the rampant court costs of being human in the operation room.

 

[soulcougher73]

I have yet to see anyone on the right explain to me how having more people accept personal responsibility, which is exactly what Obamacare does, is against their very own ideaology. This is why I no longer support the party I supported for 30 years, that my parents support, etc. It not only feels like they're saying things just to try and hit a nerve with the audience, it is blatantly obvious they will lie and completely undercut their own beliefs.

Personally, I am completely against Obamacare or any kind of universal healthcare. I feel that excessive litigation and absurd settlements have driven the costs through the roof, thus making healthcare all but untouchable for many in this country. We have the best system but, once again, our legal branch has seriously overstepped it's boundaries and pushed our once great medical system into being just another liable business that has to overcharge by a great magnitude just to cover the rampant court costs of being human in the operation room.

The GOP spews more hypocrisy than any other group i can think of. The "Do as i say, not as a do" Party.

And notice my phrasing. Im not excluding other parties or groups from the hypocrisy claim. But the GOP does it on such a grand scale.

 

[Genx87]

This has already been discussed in other threads. The problem with the argument is that Republicans do not support the individual mandate, which is a key component. So yeah you can list ten factors making 9 of them less consequential and then say that your opponents agree with 90% of your bill, but it misses the point.

If you like Obamacare, advocate for it. Don't pretend your opponents agree with you when they don't.

Doesnt look democrats support the mandate as a majority either.

 

[Genx87]

I have yet to see anyone on the right explain to me how having more people accept personal responsibility, which is exactly what Obamacare does, is against their very own ideaology. This is why I no longer support the party I supported for 30 years, that my parents support, etc. It not only feels like they're saying things just to try and hit a nerve with the audience, it is blatantly obvious they will lie and completely undercut their own beliefs.

Personally, I am completely against Obamacare or any kind of universal healthcare. I feel that excessive litigation and absurd settlements have driven the costs through the roof, thus making healthcare all but untouchable for many in this country. We have the best system but, once again, our legal branch has seriously overstepped it's boundaries and pushed our once great medical system into being just another liable business that has to overcharge by a great magnitude just to cover the rampant court costs of being human in the operation room.

Since when is putting a gun to your head to make you do something called "personal responsibility"?