Republicans in Wayne County Michigan tried to steal the votes of the predominately black district of Detroit by refusing to certify the vote

HomerJS

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Republicans refuse to certify the election results in this county. More claims of bullshit voter irregularities in Detroit. That was yesterday.



Today a stunning reversal
 

Exterous

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That was never going to work out for them but I can't tell if the attempt was total lack of awareness or shrewd politics (for them, damaging for the US) as Donald got another soundbite for all his moronic followers to latch on to
 
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purbeast0

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I don't even care about this shit anymore.

The people have spoken. He lost in historic fashion.

It doesn't matter what he tries, does, or says.

His ass will be gone January 20th.
 

zinfamous

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I'm just curious what their vocal argument was for "not counting all of the votes in a major city" ...I mean, other than the obvious (mostly blacks) reason that they clearly want to do it....just curious about how they framed it legally?

(not "curious," really...more of a desire to delve into that terrible sublime that defines the innerworkings of a brain poisoned by conservatism)
 

gothuevos

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It'll take decades honestly for the US to recover from what this turd has done to the country. Decades.

I don't think it will. There have been some fatal wounds inflicted, the most serious being in these last two weeks with the GOP absolutely demolishing the notion that we have free elections.

When half the electorate believes elections are rigged, how do you think this will end?

If we're lucky, the next time the GOP is in power they'll "ban" the Democratic party/liberals and just institute a one-party government. Again, that's the best case scenario. You can imagine the rest.
 

gothuevos

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That was never going to work out for them but I can't tell if the attempt was total lack of awareness or shrewd politics (for them, damaging for the US) as Donald got another soundbite for all his moronic followers to latch on to

Unfortunately this is another huge talking point for RW Twitter...that the "leftist mob" threatened these brave patriots that were trying to stand up to "the machine."

For them,.I don't think this will ever, ever end unless there is serious retribution against the left, be it physical or political or both.
 

brycejones

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I'm just curious what their vocal argument was for "not counting all of the votes in a major city" ...I mean, other than the obvious (mostly blacks) reason that they clearly want to do it....just curious about how they framed it legally?

(not "curious," really...more of a desire to delve into that terrible sublime that defines the innerworkings of a brain poisoned by conservatism)
There were minor mismatches between votes counted and voters signed in. The Republican members wanted to certify the results for the city with the 2nd highest number of these issues but it is only 4.4% African American.

BTW these mismatches are not unusual in any election, its another typical election item that has been blown up to epic fraud by the right wing conspiracy machine.
 

trenchfoot

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Repubs aren't doing themselves any favors by delaying the inevitable with these (what amounts to) pranks they're pulling. It's bad form, it makes them look petty and spiteful and it sure doesn't make them look "patriotic" because being patriotic to a party that exists on the fumes of lies, misinformation, misdirection and conspiracy theories aren't exactly what our forefathers thought of when they cobbled together their Declaration of Independence.

Note of interest: When the nation's racists and religious zealot evangelists see common ground and collectivise themselves into a party from where they claim a leading stake that is owned and operated by a few very wealthy families, you have to wonder about their other members who welcomed these scum into their fold with open arms.

They in aggregate voted to elect Donald Trump as their champion of whom they felt represented their political ideology and stated values as a group and have clung to him, idolized him as the answer to their prayers for perpetuating their sense of what's right and what's wrong.

That's some real time scary shit right there. The party has devolved into a morass of society's undesirables, corporate robber barons, religiously inspired racists and led by the likes of one Donald Trump, of whom could easily be replaced by another crook just like him.

Don't get me wrong, there are a lot of otherwise decent folks in that horrific mix of, well, deplorables. However they have allowed the extremists within their ranks to take over the party for their own use and have blindly followed along. This is their mistake that they are to be held accountable for. This is a problem that is internal yet many of them are assigning this problem as an external threat due to the well crafted propaganda effort their leadership (owners) have soaked them with.

Repubs of good conscience, fix this or get treated as if those right wing extremists among you are your leaders because it seems you're all OK with that.
 

HomerJS

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I don't even care about this shit anymore.

The people have spoken. He lost in historic fashion.

It doesn't matter what he tries, does, or says.

His ass will be gone January 20th.
If you don't care about this it's a defacto condoning of Republicans continuing to disenfranchise the minority vote.
 

iRONic

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If we're lucky, the next time the GOP is in power they'll "ban" the Democratic party/liberals and just institute a one-party government. Again, that's the best case scenario. You can imagine the rest.
*tap* *tap* sarcasm meter *tap *tap*

The best case scenario?! For whom, Putin?
 

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There were minor mismatches between votes counted and voters signed in. The Republican members wanted to certify the results for the city with the 2nd highest number of these issues but it is only 4.4% African American.

BTW these mismatches are not unusual in any election, its another typical election item that has been blown up to epic fraud by the right wing conspiracy machine.

and the canvasing board should be taking care of all the discrepancies, that is their job, if they are not doing that, the election should not be certified.

I know in the county my Step mom is on the canvasing board, They have found a number of voters that came on election day where their new ballots were counted, but their envelops were not scanned in as active to spoil their original ballots. They are very organized, so it is relatively easy to find those envelops, scan and correct the mistake. many places are not that well organized and have a difficult time fixing simple mistakes, only one of the reasons the numbers may not match.
 

brycejones

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and the canvasing board should be taking care of all the discrepancies, that is their job, if they are not doing that, the election should not be certified.

I know in the county my Step mom is on the canvasing board, They have found a number of voters that came on election day where their new ballots were counted, but their envelops were not scanned in as active to spoil their original ballots. They are very organized, so it is relatively easy to find those envelops, scan and correct the mistake. many places are not that well organized and have a difficult time fixing simple mistakes, only one of the reasons the numbers may not match.
If you read some of the statements from the officials involved you find other reasons as well. For example I sign in and then decide to leave for some reason before casting a vote.

Also the same concern about absolute accuracy was not shown for other cities in Wayne county that were not named Detroit. In fact one of the proposals put forth by the GOP members of the board was to certify everything except Detroit even though the same issues existedon other parts of the county.
 
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Grey_Beard

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Repubs aren't doing themselves any favors by delaying the inevitable with these (what amounts to) pranks they're pulling. It's bad form, it makes them look petty and spiteful and it sure doesn't make them look "patriotic" because being patriotic to a party that exists on the fumes of lies, misinformation, misdirection and conspiracy theories aren't exactly what our forefathers thought of when they cobbled together their Declaration of Independence.

Note of interest: When the nation's racists and religious zealot evangelists see common ground and collectivise themselves into a party from where they claim a leading stake that is owned and operated by a few very wealthy families, you have to wonder about their other members who welcomed these scum into their fold with open arms.

They in aggregate voted to elect Donald Trump as their champion of whom they felt represented their political ideology and stated values as a group and have clung to him, idolized him as the answer to their prayers for perpetuating their sense of what's right and what's wrong.

That's some real time scary shit right there. The party has devolved into a morass of society's undesirables, corporate robber barons, religiously inspired racists and led by the likes of one Donald Trump, of whom could easily be replaced by another crook just like him.

Don't get me wrong, there are a lot of otherwise decent folks in that horrific mix of, well, deplorables. However they have allowed the extremists within their ranks to take over the party for their own use and have blindly followed along. This is their mistake that they are to be held accountable for. This is a problem that is internal yet many of them are assigning this problem as an external threat due to the well crafted propaganda effort their leadership (owners) have soaked them with.

Repubs of good conscience, fix this or get treated as if those right wing extremists among you are your leaders because it seems you're all OK with that.

I agree with the general context of what you are saying, but this is a left point of view. I get it. I understand it.

The issue is that 72 million people think this is the right way. They have been convinced that the information that has rotted their minds in real. Until you break that, nothing can change. The lies, misinformation and conspiracy theories are reality to this group. I have people whom I thought were intelligent think that this election was stolen. Many of these folks have operated within their own eco chamber with no outside information. These were formerly critical thinking folks, who still do some critical thinking at work or when shopping, but for politics and health information, they are in another orbit.

It gets hard to reach the other orbit, since we have little understanding of each other. When one side is lit to win at all costs, has a cult following of zombie minded minions, will do anything fir their goals, have no ethics and waffle between victim hood and righteousness, it gets almost impossible.

The Republicons with good conscience are not Republicons any more. The isolation is what makes this harder the longer it drags on. This will only end in a break. The break of this cult or of democracy. There is no in between, as these folks are hell bent on assuring their survival by any means necessary.
 

hal2kilo

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I'm just curious what their vocal argument was for "not counting all of the votes in a major city" ...I mean, other than the obvious (mostly blacks) reason that they clearly want to do it....just curious about how they framed it legally?

(not "curious," really...more of a desire to delve into that terrible sublime that defines the innerworkings of a brain poisoned by conservatism)
It really doesn't get more racist than to say you can't trust any votes coming out of any urban area with lots of minorities. Folks, these people still believe black people shouldn't vote. Wake the fuck up!
 
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zinfamous

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If you read some of the statements from the officials involved you find other reasons as well. For example I sign in and then decide to leave for some reason before casting a vote.

Also the same concern about absolute accuracy was not shown for other cities in Wayne county that were not named Detroit. In fact one of the proposals put forth by the GOP members of the board was to certify everything except Detroit even though the same issues existedon other parts of the county.

right, if it were a legitimate concern, then the same review would happen everywhere that the discrepancy was noted. Mysteriously, however, many on the board only seemed to be concerned about this in majority black districts. True mystery, that.

...someone in the other thread posted a zoom meeting of that one board member blasting the two specifically racist, insane board members that were pushing for this without question, blatantly ignoring white distracts with same mismatching numbers.

that was hilarious.
 

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right, if it were a legitimate concern, then the same review would happen everywhere that the discrepancy was noted. Mysteriously, however, many on the board only seemed to be concerned about this in majority black districts. True mystery, that.

...someone in the other thread posted a zoom meeting of that one board member blasting the two specifically racist, insane board members that were pushing for this without question, blatantly ignoring white distracts with same mismatching numbers.

that was hilarious.
I think they forgot to hide their racism when offering to certify a predominantly white district with a higher % of irregularities but not Detroit. You're not supposed to actually come out and say it.
 

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It'll take decades honestly for the US to recover from what this turd has done to the country. Decades.
Oh we have a treasure trove of material to get back at him. Especially, The video tapes. It will be the gift that keeps on giving! <--- Thank you Trumpy!
 

Franz316

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Can they actually recind their votes though? This whole thing is such a dog and pony show..
 

sportage

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Looks like our founding fathers had better return back to the drawing board. Obviously, they never took into consideration that a Donald Trump might come along. I guess the idea of an inmate escaping from the looney bin and becoming president never crossed our founding fathers minds.