Republicans fear Trump could drop out of race if polls remain low

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VRAMdemon

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If he pulls out at this point, he leaves all of the candidates that were running on the Trump political plan in the lurch because they lose their chief AND they lose the votes that he would draw. It’s too late in the cycle to retool a message, and too late to bring in another viable candidate, so you will get the safety net candidates if they do decide to go with someone else, and in the world of voter extremes right now, that isn’t getting it done, and politically would look weak.

If he does stay in the race, it will force either the R candidates to go down with the ship or break from him, and then risk facing the wrath, and alienating the voting base they absolutely need.

This election is not about issues at all, it’s a referendum on the Conman in Chief, and everything and everyone tied to him.
 

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Speaking of odd US election policy. Why is it so hated to force photo ID??? No complaints about it here in Canada.

Ah, because when you think of this concept you think of a program designed to actually work. That is not what traditionally happens in the United States because we have a party that is based on the idea that government does not work, and they are hell bent on being right about that even when they have to manufacture that result themselves.

You think that it will be some national system put in place where every citizen gets a ID provided by the government. But that could basically never happen in the US because our system of government was designed from the beginning to be based on individual states being able to do thing their own way. Each state gets to decide for itself how it's voting system works, within a few boundaries. So each state would have to decide for itself how to issue a photo voter ID, and some of them would decide to make the process as hard and expensive as possible, and then of course we need a company to make the ID's (you don't think politician in America is going to pass up the opportunity to toss a bone to their big donors do you?) We would then spend 10+ years fighting about it in the courts, only to have the Supreme Court declare the system unconstitutional do to whatever shenanigan's politicians got up to in order to rig the system to their advantage, then we would have to start over.
 

ondma

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What makes you think turnout will be low? And why would it matter? Trumpian insanity peaked perfectly on election day, 2016. He was new, different & exciting in a pugnacious way voters found charming at the time. Shake up Washington! Drain the swamp! What do you have to lose, right?

That won't sell anymore. He's already made fatal mistakes & compounds them on the regular. The thrill is gone, honey. The man lost his Mojo.
Yea, and the swamp is more corrupt than ever, corona is on the upswing again, and he still has 35% adamant approval from the base. It totally defies logic. That is also why it is a serious mistake to assume he is going to lose.
 

Jhhnn

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I think turnout will be very low in states with Republican governors that won't allow mail in voting, because COVID19 will likely still be raging in them. As much as I hate Trump I wouldn't go vote in person if the election was today considering how much the virus is just exploding in my neck of the woods (San Antonio, Texas). But Trump die-hards think this virus is all a hoax and will absolutely turn up to vote for that corrupt piece of shit, there is absolutely nothing he could do to lose his death cult.

Absentee voting is unrestricted in key swing states- AZ, WI, MI, PA, NC, NV, GA & others. It matters more at the State level because this is a census year & because the SCOTUS has declared themselves helpless wrt gerrymandering.
 

senseamp

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Does VP candidate automatically become presidential candidate if the presidential candidate drops out after the convention?
 

eelw

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And to build on above post. Has there been any candidate that died during campaigning?
 

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Does VP candidate automatically become presidential candidate if the presidential candidate drops out after the convention?

No. As long as the electoral collage has not already voted (even if the general election is already over) the party chair must call a convention of the parties national committee and the members of the national committee votes for who will be the nominated candidate, all general election votes would pass to that person. If the President-Elect dies or steps down after the EC votes the Vice President-Elect would indeed succeed as the new President, and would be able to select his own Vice President as per the rules of the 20th Amendment.

And to build on above post. Has there been any candidate that died during campaigning?
No, the top level party candidate has never dropped out or died after the primary but before the final vote of the EC.
Edit: Oh, and to be clear no President-Elect has ever failed to be sworn in.
 
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Jhhnn

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Yea, and the swamp is more corrupt than ever, corona is on the upswing again, and he still has 35% adamant approval from the base. It totally defies logic. That is also why it is a serious mistake to assume he is going to lose.

I'm not assuming anything other than the current trajectory continuing. Maybe you can lay out a path to victory for Trump.
 

ondma

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I'm not assuming anything other than the current trajectory continuing. Maybe you can lay out a path to victory for Trump.
Just like in 2016. Rile up his base, and relentlessly attempt to destroy the opposition. He has ready made issues in Biden's questionable competency and Hunter's shenanigans.
 

hal2kilo

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Just like in 2016. Rile up his base, and relentlessly attempt to destroy the opposition. He has ready made issues in Biden's questionable competency and Hunter's shenanigans.
Hunter's shenanigans being.... Trump quite competent...…..
 

Grey_Beard

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Looks like some people are walking away...


He won by such a small margin this is important. I cannot believe there are 2% of the people who voted for Clinton who now will vote for this Tinpot Dictator Wannabe.

And to build on above post. Has there been any candidate that died during campaigning?

No. The president with the shortest term is Harrison. He died after 31 days in office. He caught a cold that became pneumonia. He was the first one to die in office and it set up the current succession path. He caught the cold during an unusually long inauguration speech.

Edit: The speech was in the rain, too.
 
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fskimospy

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Just like in 2016. Rile up his base, and relentlessly attempt to destroy the opposition. He has ready made issues in Biden's questionable competency and Hunter's shenanigans.
If that’s his option he’s in deep shit.

Have the slew of recent polls showing Biden not just winning but slaughtering Trump made you re-evaluate anything?
 

shortylickens

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Looks like some people are walking away...


I dunno man, it seems like most of them were incredibly foolish and gullible 4 years ago. Why should I feel sorry for them?


Kelvin Pittman II, 34, who is self-employed doing car detailing in Jacksonville, Fla., said he voted for Mr. Trump because “he was a great businessman.” As a Black man, he said he aligns with Democrats on many issues, but as a businessman, he favors certain Republican policies.
Then came the killing of Mr. Floyd. Mr. Pittman felt the president didn’t take it seriously: “It was kind of the last straw. It was like, this dude is just in it for himself. I thought he was supposed to be for the people.”

YOU WERE FUCKING WRONG, KELVIN!
The guy is a lousy businessman. He only knows how to hire smart people and then take credit for their achievements. Every business he has personally run eventually failed.
But you'd never know that if your only source of information is Fox News.
 

MtnMan

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If he pulls out at this point, he leaves all of the candidates that were running on the Trump political plan in the lurch because they lose their chief AND they lose the votes that he would draw. It’s too late in the cycle to retool a message, and too late to bring in another viable candidate, so you will get the safety net candidates if they do decide to go with someone else, and in the world of voter extremes right now, that isn’t getting it done, and politically would look weak.

If he does stay in the race, it will force either the R candidates to go down with the ship or break from him, and then risk facing the wrath, and alienating the voting base they absolutely need.

This election is not about issues at all, it’s a referendum on the Conman in Chief, and everything and everyone tied to him.
Locally a Trump endorsment for a republician primary run off went down in flames. Her ads on TV mostly featured Trumps endorsement. She got just over 35% of the vote.
 

ondma

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If that’s his option he’s in deep shit.

Have the slew of recent polls showing Biden not just winning but slaughtering Trump made you re-evaluate anything?
No, way to much can happen in the next 5 months. The polls also show a lot of undecided; only about 50% actually approve of Biden.
 

dainthomas

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Locally a Trump endorsment for a republician primary run off went down in flames. Her ads on TV mostly featured Trumps endorsement. She got just over 35% of the vote.

That checks out. Republicans the last 3.5 years have been rock-solid consistent in enacting policies that appeal to that one third of the country, and giving double middle fingers to the other two thirds.

Their collective Pikachu face when only one third of the country votes for them in a few months will be quite amusing.
 

fskimospy

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No, way to much can happen in the next 5 months. The polls also show a lot of undecided; only about 50% actually approve of Biden.
The polls actually show much fewer undecided than normal and they break strongly for Biden.

No change?
 

Muse

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Looks like some people are walking away...

"Donald Trump represents the past,” he said, “and I believe that the Democrats and Joe Biden and the young people of the world are looking at the future.

“I will never vote for another Republican in my life because of Donald Trump,” Mr. Smith added. “What changed? Well, three years.”
 

uclaLabrat

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The polls actually show much fewer undecided than normal and they break strongly for Biden.

No change?
Personally I think it would be more appropriate and germane to the discussion to remind the election is only 4 months from Fri and not 5, but whatever blows your skirt up 😂
 
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Paratus

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Speaking of odd US election policy. Why is it so hated to force photo ID??? No complaints about it here in Canada.

You also have to understand that conservatives are quite good at derailing things the bulk of the country wants. Why does that pertain to national IDs? Because the last time this discussed was back in the 90’s when Clinton and the Dems were running things.

Back then you could turn on the nascent right-wing radio and hear about how a national ID was the mark of the anti-Christ, that it was the first step to identify all god-fearing gun toting conservatives so their guns could be confiscated. This would allow UN black helicopters to descend en masses and force one world government on the poor freedom loving American conservative.

So they threw a hissy fit about ID’s until they realized they could disenfranchise minorities and the poors by embracing photo IDs.