Republicans doomed in 2016 and beyond, says conservative strategist

[Jhhnn]

I don't agree. There are 80 million millenials and they are going to lean repub. My GF "panic voted" for Obama because she didn't want Mitt Romney to win. Obama continued to be himself and renege on all of his promises, much regret. I'm sure its the same for most new voter millenials. For the young especially nothing is improved, but lots of hype. Welcome to politics. Democrats used to have the young college students in their pocket but not anymore IMO.

http://www.upi.com/Top_News/US/2014...wing-voters-skewing-Republican/7921414615723/

If anybody is complacent its democrats who think they'll have 270 electoral votes "without trying"

Heh.

Of the 26 percent of young voters surveyed who said they will definitely turn out out at the polls to drop their ballot, 51 percent said they'd prefer a Republican led Congress while only 47 percent preferred a Democrat-controlled House and Senate, marking an almost even divide among millennial voters that may make them the swing-vote demographic in the coming election.

51% of 26 percent is less than 14% of the total, isn't it? Is there anything in that to contradict the zealotry factor I mentioned?

You forgot to mention that UPI is a propaganda organ of the Unification Church, but, uhh, nevermind, right?

And there's the small issue that dissatisfaction among Dems wrt Obama is because he turned out to be Republican-Lite. If you think that means they're now more likely to vote Repub because of that, you're delusional.

Given that there is no evidence indicating that "voter fraud" is a significant factor, Repubs' zealotry in establishing strict rules about ID for voting are clearly not motivated by that. When that's pointed out, they turn coy & obfuscational, go on by asserting false premises about how people need current state ID to go on with their lives, something that's obviously not true at all. If it were true, then everybody would have it, but they don't.

If Repubs wanted everybody to vote, they wouldn't have danced with glee when they de-funded ACORN, nor would they be seeking to solve an imaginary problem, either.

 

[Matt1970]

2 more years for the rest of the ACA to kick in, and the republicans can put a chimp up for election and still win. The country is up in arms already and we've only experienced the tip so far...

Obama will probably delay it again. It's one thing to lie to 10 million voters. It's another to lie 100 million.

 

[Greenman]

Holy crap I had no idea we had a national ID given to every citizen....

Ever tried to claim a dependent child as a tax deduction? Ever been hired? Ever been listed on a tax form as a dependent? Ever been registered in public school?

If you've ever done any of those things you have a national ID that everyone promised wasn't a national ID.

 

[Moonbeam]

The problem with not letting the mentally defective win is that they will destroy whatever they have to in order to win. When you are psychotically obsessed by the notion that only you have the correct moral values to govern, you will treat other members of society as if they were monsters.

 

[Matt1970]

The problem with thinking the other side is mentally defective, you are psychotically obsessed by the notion that only you have the correct moral values to govern, you will treat other members of society as if they were monsters.

Fixed that for you.

 

[fskimospy]

Obama will probably delay it again. It's one thing to lie to 10 million voters. It's another to lie 100 million.

You guys have continually predicted disaster for going on 4 years now. I keep waiting for it to happen.

I fully expect you guys 10 years down the line to still be saying "just you wait, any day now!"

 

[Moonbeam]

Fixed that for you.

You forgot to fix reality. Science does not support your false equivalency. It is a scientifically demonstrable fact that conservative brains are attuned to four or five moral concerns beyond what galvanize liberals, a number of which call for respect for authority and group cohesion. These moral concerns, without an external enemy to battle, cause the CBD, the need to demonize and destroy the opposition rather than cooperate with it for the benefit of the league. The CBD is the sickness of party over nation. The CBD is furthermore dangerous because the ego of conservatives intervenes in to prevent any data from being taken seriously that shows this. You are trapped in a paper bag and you punch away. You can't help it with so much ego. You are defensive because you have been made to defend yourself against being told you are inferior. It's just what you think you see in liberals, the inability to be cognizant of criticism. Your pointy finger always points somewhere else. You developed this capacity as a child as the only way you could survive. Sadly that has made you permanently but needlessly infantile. There was never any truth to the feelings you were made to feel that you are worthless. It would be OK to come out of your shell. But what conservative is, is the fear of that, being hurt all over again.

 

[Matt1970]

You forgot to fix reality. Science does not support your false equivalency. It is a scientifically demonstrable fact that conservative brains are attuned to four or five moral concerns beyond what galvanize liberals, a number of which call for respect for authority and group cohesion. These moral concerns, without an external enemy to battle, cause the CBD, the need to demonize and destroy the opposition rather than cooperate with it for the benefit of the league. The CBD is the sickness of party over nation. The CBD is furthermore dangerous because the ego of conservatives intervenes in to prevent any data from being taken seriously that shows this. You are trapped in a paper bag and you punch away. You can't help it with so much ego. You are defensive because you have been made to defend yourself against being told you are inferior. It's just what you think you see in liberals, the inability to be cognizant of criticism. Your pointy finger always points somewhere else. You developed this capacity as a child as the only way you could survive. Sadly that has made you permanently but needlessly infantile. There was never any truth to the feelings you were made to feel that you are worthless. It would be OK to come out of your shell. But what conservative is, is the fear of that, being hurt all over again.

Sorry pal, but your theories are looking at science in the rear view mirror.

 

[Matt1970]

You guys have continually predicted disaster for going on 4 years now. I keep waiting for it to happen.

I fully expect you guys 10 years down the line to still be saying "just you wait, any day now!"

I don't seem to remember predicting disaster, but if saying I did makes you feel better, so be it. Like I keep saying you will win every argument if you are the one presenting both sides.

I do remember a lot on the left predicting a double dip recession if we had a sequestration. I think I remember asking when it was going to happen, the answer was in a few months. Then it got pushed back to early summer, the August, then I just gave up asking.

 

[fskimospy]

I don't seem to remember predicting disaster, but if saying I did makes you feel better, so be it. Like I keep saying you will win every argument if you are the one presenting both sides.

I do remember a lot on the left predicting a double dip recession if we had a sequestration. I think I remember asking when it was going to happen, the answer was in a few months. Then it got pushed back to early summer, the August, then I just gave up asking.

You haven't predicted the ACA would turn out poorly? Allow me to register my incredulity.

I remember people on the left predicting economic damage from sequestration, and analysis of US economic performance after it showed that. It absolutely hurt the economy. Didn't you bother to check?

 

[Greenman]

The problem with not letting the mentally defective win is that they will destroy whatever they have to in order to win. When you are psychotically obsessed by the notion that only you have the correct moral values to govern, you will treat other members of society as if they were monsters.

This is you moonie, this is exactly you. This is your never ending drivel about the Conservative brain defect. This is the mirror you always tell us to look in, this is the self hate you continually claim posses others, but you've somehow transcended.

You're going to have to learn a new trick, this pony has come up lame.

 

[Matt1970]

You haven't predicted the ACA would turn out poorly? Allow me to register my incredulity.

I remember people on the left predicting economic damage from sequestration, and analysis of US economic performance after it showed that. It absolutely hurt the economy. Didn't you bother to check?

I must have missed the analysis.

 

[Moonbeam]

This is you moonie, this is exactly you. This is your never ending drivel about the Conservative brain defect. This is the mirror you always tell us to look in, this is the self hate you continually claim posses others, but you've somehow transcended.

You're going to have to learn a new trick, this pony has come up lame.

For you life is a bunch of tricks because you play games with the truth. There is one truth and it covers everybody. It's always the same. What also never changes is your inability to face it. You endlessly project because you can't allow yourself to feel what you really feel. Fortunately though uselessly for you, the fact is also that there was nothing ever wrong with you.

I know you Greenman because I know me. If that's transcendence then I have transcended. We are the same but you don't want to see it.

 

[Matt1970]

For you life is a bunch of tricks because you play games with the truth. There is one truth and it covers everybody. It's always the same. What also never changes is your inability to face it. You endlessly project because you can't allow yourself to feel what you really feel. Fortunately though uselessly for you, the fact is also that there was nothing ever wrong with you.

I know you Greenman because I know me. If that's transcendence then I have transcended. We are the same but you don't want to see it.

So you are a conservative with a brain defect?

 

[Moonbeam]

So you are a conservative with a brain defect?

Of course. Where we differ is that, while I am full of opinions just like you, I don't feed them because I know they are delusions designed to convince me that I'm not as worthless as I feel. I just know one thing more than you do, or actually one thing less, that what I was taught to believe is real. I was forced by a merciless self analysis as a youth, and for reasons I don't understand, to look at myself honestly. So the tons of cabbage I was led to believe came unstuck. I was rather fortunate, too, to have had numerous helping hands.

 

[fskimospy]

I must have missed the analysis.

Just type "effects of sequestration" into google.

Then imagine how well our economy would be doing if we hadn't made that mistake.

 

[Matt1970]

Just type "effects of sequestration" into google.

Then imagine how well our economy would be doing if we hadn't made that mistake.

GDP didn't seem to be effected.

Dec 31, 2013 15.92 trillion 3.17% increase
Dec 31, 2012 15.43 trillion 1.97% increase
Dec 31, 2011 15.19 trillion 1.6% increase
Dec 31, 2010 14.94 trillion

If anything it shows a smaller government = better economy.

 

[Conscript]

You guys have continually predicted disaster for going on 4 years now. I keep waiting for it to happen.

I fully expect you guys 10 years down the line to still be saying "just you wait, any day now!"

because they keep kicking the can on the employer mandate? I mean christ, you probably had the most inept House in history and they still gained seats in addition to taking the Senate. I know everyone is telling themselves it will be better in 2016...but it won't be. The Republican's couldn't possibly be perceived worse over the next two years, and their ace in the hole ACA is going to still be there. You can't hide from it... It will go down as the worst political decision for the democratic party in history.

 

[fskimospy]

because they keep kicking the can on the employer mandate? I mean christ, you probably had the most inept House in history and they still gained seats in addition to taking the Senate. I know everyone is telling themselves it will be better in 2016...but it won't be. The Republican's couldn't possibly be perceived worse over the next two years, and their ace in the hole ACA is going to still be there. You can't hide from it... It will go down as the worst political decision for the democratic party in history.

The employer mandate means almost nothing. Look at the numbers.

 

[fskimospy]

GDP didn't seem to be effected.

Dec 31, 2013 15.92 trillion 3.17% increase
Dec 31, 2012 15.43 trillion 1.97% increase
Dec 31, 2011 15.19 trillion 1.6% increase
Dec 31, 2010 14.94 trillion

If anything it shows a smaller government = better economy.

That would be a failing grade in Econ 101.

Look at actual economic analysis please.

 

[Matt1970]

That would be a failing grade in Econ 101.

Look at actual economic analysis please.

Except you are failing reality 101. A 3.17% increase over the previous year's 1.97% increase proves all the predictions wrong. The economy did fine.

 

[fskimospy]

Except you are failing reality 101. A 3.17% increase over the previous year's 1.97% increase proves all the predictions wrong. The economy did fine.

No it doesn't. A simple understanding of regressions would show you why that is absolutely ridiculous. Seriously, that would be an F in Econ 101.

Please read actual analysis of the economy during that time.

 

[Matt1970]

No it doesn't. A simple understanding of regressions would show you why that is absolutely ridiculous. Seriously, that would be an F in Econ 101.

Please read actual analysis of the economy during that time.

You win. I know better than to do this again.

 

[Victorian Gray]

Again, I'm fine with your list. Some form of ID is acceptable. I think we're on the same page here. My point was that I don't get the revolt where people are required to identify themselves to vote. Those who don't want this, who get defensive, are usually those who have a reason for it.......they don't want any controls and integrity in the electoral system.
So, we must ask ourselves why?

I haven't seen any one arguing that people who wish to vote don't have to identify themselves in any way. Can you provide an example of such an argument?

What I have seen is people (Republicans) working to limit the types of id that are acceptable to present when voting with an insistence on certain types of official state or federal identification. That's the exact opposite of what we have up here as my list indicates. I can go in and vote in municipal, provincial and national elections with a library card and a phone bill. Can you show me a Republican presented position where such id would be considered adequate?

 

[sunzt]

GDP didn't seem to be effected.

Dec 31, 2013 15.92 trillion 3.17% increase
Dec 31, 2012 15.43 trillion 1.97% increase
Dec 31, 2011 15.19 trillion 1.6% increase
Dec 31, 2010 14.94 trillion

If anything it shows a smaller government = better economy.

Going down this path you can say ACA also didn't effect the economy. If anything it shows that ACA = better economy.