Republicans didn’t like their health-care bill but voted for it anyway

[Phokus]

https://www.washingtonpost.com/powe...c-11e7-9534-00e4656c22aa_story.html?tid=ss_tw

“Is this bill good? No, I don’t like it,” Diaz-Balart said. But he suggested that voting for the bill would allow him to be part of future negotiations: “So my decision was, how do I stay involved?”

This is peak conservative, holy shit you guys are fucking morons. How is this a solution a fully grown adult would come up with?

 

[IronWing]

"I was for it while I was against it."

 

[boomerang]

https://www.washingtonpost.com/powe...c-11e7-9534-00e4656c22aa_story.html?tid=ss_tw



This is peak conservative, holy shit you guys are fucking morons. How is this a solution a fully grown adult would come up with?

If the Dem's hadn't passed 0bamacare none of this would have been necessary. Congress could be addressing other problems instead of having to clean up this mess. Fully grown adults clean up the mess small children make.

Everyone knows this.

 

[Phokus]

If the Dem's hadn't passed 0bamacare none of this would have been necessary. Congress could be addressing other problems instead of having to clean up this mess. Fully grown adults clean up the mess small children make.

Everyone knows this.

Obamacare is infinitely better than what we had before. If republicans (and joe lieberman) didn't exist, we'd have single payer.

 

[MomentsofSanity]

If the Dem's hadn't passed 0bamacare none of this would have been necessary. Congress could be addressing other problems instead of having to clean up this mess. Fully grown adults clean up the mess small children make.

Everyone knows this.

No children take the mess and shove it all under the bed. Let someone else deal with it later. If a few things break in the process so be it. That's what this bill is.

 

[hal2kilo]

No children take the mess and shove it all under the bed. Let someone else deal with it later. If a few things break in the process so be it. That's what this bill is.

touche!

 

[interchange]

This is not different from other bills. Plenty of people vote for things they don't like but don't hate for party or other political purposes. I do think that this particular bill, while highly important to the Republican party, is nonetheless too important to America to have voted for based on political reasons.

 

[lopri]

https://www.washingtonpost.com/powe...c-11e7-9534-00e4656c22aa_story.html?tid=ss_tw



This is peak conservative, holy shit you guys are fucking morons. How is this a solution a fully grown adult would come up with?

It is a valid strategy to stay involved even if you cannot make a difference. To attack it is a fallacy known as "making good enemy of perfect"

But of course the calculus changes in circumstances where, as here, you can make a difference. That is why this congressman's words ring hollow and hypocritical. The vote was lazer-thin and there was nothing inevitable about the bill's passage. The congressman chose to cave in for some other reasons he does not confess here.

 

[thraashman]

If the Dem's hadn't passed 0bamacare none of this would have been necessary. Congress could be addressing other problems instead of having to clean up this mess. Fully grown adults clean up the mess small children make.

Everyone knows this.

At what point in the last 30 years have republicans even remotely acted like adults? Seriously. Fucking tell me please because if the way GOP lawmakers act is like adults in your mind, then holy fuck balls I'd hate to see what someone like you thinks children should be raised like.

 

[NesuD]

I heard they had to vote for it before they could read it. Wait ..... never mind.

 

[trenchfoot]

Heh, Repub legislators sacrificing themselves at the alter of the very wealthy sure is a sight to behold, especially when they do it in such grand (blatant) selfless (selfish) fashion.

Look, this is out in the open warfare that the Repubs have declared against the middle class and the poor. They used to do it guerrilla style, plying their trade behind closed doors, employing smoke/mirror tactics with cunning.....

But now with Trump leading the charge, seemingly impervious to the hits he's taking against the blatant lies, the reneged promises, the tacit approval of the racist contingent of his support base, his coded nativist/protectionist commentary, the Wall St. moguls he installed in his cabinet with Repub legislature stamp of approval? Well, it sure has emboldened all of those Repubs in the legislature to come out and "bravely" show their true loyalties toward the very wealthy.

It sure seems as if they feel very safe and secure under the Trump umbrella that they would be so casual about their being corrupted, being bought and paid for by their wealthy benefactors.

I guess they figure if Trump can so easily get away with exhibiting his selfishness, his singular interest of being for the self, by the self and of the self, that it should be just fine for themselves to hang on to Trump's coat tails WITH the proviso that when it's time, and there will be that time, to cut the cord with Trump they can do it without damage to their "reputation and self-esteem". Hah.

 

[First]

If the Dem's hadn't passed 0bamacare none of this would have been necessary. Congress could be addressing other problems instead of having to clean up this mess. Fully grown adults clean up the mess small children make.

Everyone knows this.

lol.

Small children have attention spans of no more than a few minutes, and as per their typical behavior the overwhelming majority of the GOP debated this bill amongst themselves no longer than that. Compare that to the year-long process Obamacare went through. Night and day.

Democrats are the only serious people in Washington. Hurts to hear the truth, I know, but no one but partisans believe most of the GOP is serious about healthcare reform.

 

[agent00f]

lol.

Small children have attention spans of no more than a few minutes, and as per their typical behavior the overwhelming majority of the GOP debated this bill amongst themselves no longer than that. Compare that to the year-long process Obamacare went through. Night and day.

Democrats are the only serious people in Washington. Hurts to hear the truth, I know, but no one but partisans believe most of the GOP is serious about healthcare reform.

Small children are capable of rather sophisticated learning, which I'm pretty sure nobody has ever accuse boomerang et al of. A more apt comparison would be lesser pets that only respond to simple conditioning.

 

[dank69]

I heard they had to vote for it before they could read it. Wait ..... never mind.

Mission accomplished!

 

[theeedude]

Who cares about their emotions? They voted to strip insurance from 20+ million people, without talking to any medical or patient groups, without waiting to get the cost estimates, and exempting themselves and their staff. They can take what they liked and didn't like, and shove it.

 

[Azuma Hazuki]

This is the Ur-example of "party before country," with a side of "I'm looking out for me." It is a capsule summary of the GOP's utter global top to bottom degeneracy.

 

[Fanatical Meat]

If the Dem's hadn't passed 0bamacare none of this would have been necessary. Congress could be addressing other problems instead of having to clean up this mess. Fully grown adults clean up the mess small children make.

Everyone knows this.

Thanks Obama

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

This is not different from other bills. Plenty of people vote for things they don't like but don't hate for party or other political purposes. I do think that this particular bill, while highly important to the Republican party, is nonetheless too important to America to have voted for based on political reasons.

That applies to any bill. I was against the ACA because it did not address health care at a fundamental level but was all about insurance. No one thought to ask "What can we do to help the provider and patient have better outcomes". Instead they focused on the wrong end of the cart so to speak focusing on cost containments without considering if they might not work. Still it was better than nothing and about what I would expect for a political solution. I wish we had a group of us professionals given license to start a ground up unified system, but that was too difficult a concept for partisans.

 

[zinfamous]

If the Dem's hadn't passed 0bamacare none of this would have been necessary. Congress could be addressing other problems instead of having to clean up this mess. Fully grown adults clean up the mess small children make.

Everyone knows this.

lmao!

 

[trenchfoot]

It seems to me the only reason the Repubs don't like this bill is because it flushed them out into the open and had them publicly declare that they were for giving the wealthy a healthy tax cut and take out a lot of benefits that Obamacare had provided to finance those cuts.

This also resulted in having the Repubs in the House expose how they absolutely had to have those tax cuts for the wealthy in their replacement plan being that it is a key component of their overall plan for even more tax cuts for the wealthy and hand control of whatever is now left of the gov't over to the very wealthy. They realize that this is the biggest opportunity they've had since Bush 43, and they need to act and act now and as quickly as possible before the resultant back blast from their cash grab free for all result in another round of whiplash victories for the Dems.

They will get their tax cuts from downsizing (neutering) the gov't. They will get more control over the legislative process and they will refuse to give any of it back to the people of the nation unless it gets pried out of their cold greedy hands by force of vote.

This is part and parcel of their overall plan to squeeze the middle class out of existence, and with that eliminate the threat that the middle class poses to their grab for complete control of gov't.

 

[Commodus]

What I don't get: are House Republicans really just hoping that constituents won't notice when they either lose coverage or see their costs go up?

It's sounding like the Senate might be decidedly more opposed to AHCA than the House, so the measure might not make it to Trump regardless. Still, voting for an unquestionably bad bill you haven't even read (but your opponents have) is like playing a game of Russian Roulette with your political career.

 

[FIVR]

It's genius, you'll see. Trump is a genius.

 

[theeedude]

That applies to any bill. I was against the ACA because it did not address health care at a fundamental level but was all about insurance. No one thought to ask "What can we do to help the provider and patient have better outcomes". Instead they focused on the wrong end of the cart so to speak focusing on cost containments without considering if they might not work. Still it was better than nothing and about what I would expect for a political solution. I wish we had a group of us professionals given license to start a ground up unified system, but that was too difficult a concept for partisans.

Republicans did not listen to any experts or any medical groups or patients. Or even the CBO. They weren't looking for a solution to any problem except tax cuts for the rich.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

Republicans did not listen to any experts or any medical groups or patients. Or even the CBO. They weren't looking for a solution to any problem except tax cuts for the rich.

I'm not talking about Republican leaders, but voters. When it was an abstraction they coulf afford to believe anything, but remember that woman who was shocked because Trump kept his promise and her husband got deported? Imagine people finding they aren't covered multiplied by countless people. When it gets personal it all changes.

 

[Sonikku]

If the Dem's hadn't passed 0bamacare none of this would have been necessary. Congress could be addressing other problems instead of having to clean up this mess. Fully grown adults clean up the mess small children make.

Everyone knows this.

How is Republicans voting for policy that they believe is bad policy "Adults cleaning up the mess"?

If your opponents pass policy you think is bad, and your peers try to replace it with policy you also think is bad, how in any way is that being the adult in the room?