Republicans defeated by sunlight, back off filibuster

[Craig234]

Democrats, practicing something called 'democracy', want to pass finance reform to further the public interest against some of the financial industry abuses.

Republicans, whether explicitily serving those industries, or a misguided ideology that allowed the abuses to cause great harm, or just political power, have opposed them.

They lack the votes to win, and so they abuse the filibuster that only need 41 votes. Just as they have abused it horribly since Democracts took over.

You can see their big speeches - the lies how they're 'for reform' and just trying to improve it, even while they refuse to allow debate, and refuse to offer any amendments so far.

Speeches where they say how dedicated they are to blocking this on principle - the standard lies for doing the wrong thing.

But the Democrats put sunlight on them. If the Republicans wanted to represent Wall Street over the public and abuse the filibuster that was not designed for this, they'd have to stay up all night and argue against the reform on national television. The Democrats were willing to do so, because they value reform.

The Republicans had said they'd stand on principle and stay up all night - and then backed down.

Again.

The metaphor of the insect scurrying away in the light, of the 'sunshine' being a disinfectant, seem apt here.

This bill isn't perfect, as the industry has a lot of sway, including with Democrats. But it's better than nothing, and this is a win for the public.

Which party deserves to lose seats in November again? The Republicans. The Democrats aren't perfect but again do much better than the other side.

 

[theflyingpig]

Which party deserves to lose seats in November again? The Republicans. The Democrats aren't perfect but again do much better than the other side.

Republicans will win in November. Of that, there is no doubt. Your heroes are weak, and have been exposed as the inept fools that they are. Everyone knows this.

 

[flavio]

Republicans will win in November. Of that, there is no doubt. Your heroes are weak, and have been exposed as the inept fools that they are. Everyone knows this.

Citation? Or did you just make that up?

 

[TwinsenTacquito]

Yes, he has proof of elections that haven't happened yet. Or did you mean he needs the opinion of a person that is published in ink to quote?

 

[Thump553]

I'm astonished the MSM spoke so little of this fillibuster. They would dance around the subject, for example talking about the Democrats inability to defeat the legislative logjam. The only places I referred to it as a fillibuster by name was on Obermann and Maddow's shows.

One would think the MSM wanted the GOP to win, but that would go against the conventional wisdom. And why would big corporations want the GOP back (wink, wink)?

 

[flavio]

Yes, he has proof of elections that haven't happened yet.

Yes, that was what he would need to back that shit up. Otherwise he's just posting crap.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

I suggest a constitutional amendment eliminating or greatly restricting political parties. "my crap stinks less than yours" doesn't make it any more.

 

[umbrella39]

Republicans will win in November. Of that, there is no doubt. Your heroes are weak, and have been exposed as the inept fools that they are. Everyone knows this.

One trick pony post is troll. GTFU.

 

[Mursilis]

They lack the votes to win, and so they abuse the filibuster that only need 41 votes. Just as they have abused it horribly since Democracts took over.

Yeah, it's always "abuse" when the other side does it. The sad thing is, Craig, you're clearly an intelligent poster, but you can't seem to rise above troll mode and thus your comments grow tiresome. And that's truly a shame, because there's so little that's intelligent posted here anyway.

Edit: BTW, so what was the filibuster "designed" for? If it exists as a legislative tool, then it may be used; it's that simple. Maybe it's time for it to go.

 

[Mursilis]

I suggest a constitutional amendment eliminating or greatly restricting political parties. "my crap stinks less than yours" doesn't make it any more.

Restricting a basic human freedom (freedom of association) isn't really the answer. Political parties aren't the disease; they're merely the symptom.

 

[Darwin333]

Democrats, practicing something called 'democracy', want to pass finance reform to further the public interest against some of the financial industry abuses.

Bullshit. The dems want to help their bankster buddies just as much as the Republicans do. They might disagree on certain issues, and the Republicans are probably stalling for purely political purposes but lets not pretend the Dems are actually trying to end "some of the financial industry abuses".

The Democrats were willing to do so, because they value reform.

Bullshit. 1 single page bill reinstating Glass Stegal and an executive order to investigate criminal actions by the banksters. So much fraud happened and who has the justice department (who is their boss again?) put in front of a jury? When a nobody like me can find solid evidence of fraud and bribery committed by banks but not ONE SINGLE criminal indictment of a bankster under a Democrat president with a Democrat house and senate (even super-majorities at one point), yet these are the guys that are gonna "protect us from the evils of Wall Street".

How about the Democrat presidents Treasury Secretary who is overseeing all of this?

"The TARP watchdog has also criticized Treasury Secretary Timothy F. Geithner in reports and in congressional testimony for his handling of the process by which insurance giant American International Group Inc. was saved from insolvency in 2008, when Geithner was head of the Federal Reserve Bank of New York.

The secrecy that enveloped the deal was unwarranted, Barofsky says, adding that his probe of an alleged New York Fed coverup in the AIG case could result in criminal or civil charges. "

The fact that he still has a job is proof that no real reform is desired. We allowed the fox to guard the hen house and now we are allowing the fox to right the rules regarding how the henhouse is guarded. Reform? Not to mention that itsy bitsy fact that Turbo Tax Timmy was in a top position as a regulator of the very same financial institutions WHILE they where raping us via acts of FRAUD. Give me a damn break, you are smarter than that.

This bill isn't perfect, as the industry has a lot of sway, including with Democrats. But it's better than nothing, and this is a win for the public.

It is much worse than nothing. It doesn't fix the problem while giving the illusion that it does. Just like the consumer protection act that led to the consumer getting assraped, no further "reform" will be needed because it has already been done.

I guarantee you the financial industry is writing this bill and will benefit from it while the average person gets hosed, like usual. Would you care to place a wager?

You have valid reason to call the Republicans out for what they are doing and frankly I think you are spot on concerning their intentions. However, you are very wrong about the intentions of the Democrats. My point has been proven time and time and time again over the last few years (and to this day it still is), how about yours?

Which party deserves to lose seats in November again? The Republicans. The Democrats aren't perfect but again do much better than the other side.

Gee, which side do I wanna get raped by? Hell, they have legalized accounting fraud for the elite (why don't YOU try to get away with that) yet they are somehow better than the other assholes on this subject? YOU GUYS HAVE THE SAME DAMNED PEOPLE RUNNING THE SHOW THAT DROVE US OFF THE CLIFF!! How about putting in a team of people that weren't responsible for getting us here, where the elite made out like bandits and the avg joe got hosed, before you try to pretend your helping us out.

Frankly, I think the best we can hope for at this point is some sort of split rule. Both parties want to rape us, at least with split rule it takes them longer because they have to argue about how to rape us and how hard.

 

[Tristicus]

I knew I smelled something rank...just Craig.

 

[zsdersw]

I knew I smelled something rank...just Craig.

I knew I saw someone stupid.. just Tristicus.

 

[highland145]

But the Democrats put sunlight on them. If the Republicans wanted to represent Wall Street over the public and abuse the filibuster that was not designed for this, they'd have to stay up all night and argue against the reform on national television. The Democrats were willing to do so, because they value reform.

Would have appreciated some of this on health care instead of back room deals. But that's the way D.C. works. Nukes in the beltway.

 

[Thump553]

Would have appreciated some of this on health care instead of back room deals. But that's the way D.C. works. Nukes in the beltway.

The GOP was arguing FOR backroom deals. Their rationale for the filibuster -to PREVENT debate of the financial reform package on the floor-was so they could have more time to do bipartisan negotiations with the Dems-IN PRIVATE. I kid you not, that is the very convoluted "logic" the Senate GOP leader stated on the floor as their reason for the filibuster.

 

[blackangst1]

Democrats, practicing something called 'democracy', want to pass finance reform to further the public interest against some of the financial industry abuses.

Republicans, whether explicitily serving those industries, or a misguided ideology that allowed the abuses to cause great harm, or just political power, have opposed them.

Really now. Why is it I dont see you speaking out against Wall Street donations and appointments with the Democrats? Partisan perhaps?

I know you dislike me on principle, but in the interest of truth I suggest you watch the Fall of The Republic linked in my sig.

 

[nick1985]

Which party deserves to lose seats in November again? The Republicans. The Democrats aren't perfect but again do much better than the other side.

HAHA Democrats are going to lose in November. Americans dont like the Big Government big spending agenda.

 

[Tom]

Yeah, it's always "abuse" when the other side does it. The sad thing is, Craig, you're clearly an intelligent poster, but you can't seem to rise above troll mode and thus your comments grow tiresome. And that's truly a shame, because there's so little that's intelligent posted here anyway.

Edit: BTW, so what was the filibuster "designed" for? If it exists as a legislative tool, then it may be used; it's that simple. Maybe it's time for it to go.

I agree with you, even though as a Democrat it's frustrating right now, I know when the worm turns I'll be glad for the rights of the minority.

Everything worked as it should here, the Republicans were standing for something that doesn't deserve defending, so they collapsed.

 

[rudder]

Democrats, practicing something called 'democracy', want to pass finance reform to further the public interest against some of the financial industry abuses.

I apologize for being a little out of the loop regarding finance reform and reigning in the entities that were culpable in this financial meltdown. Can you fill me in on exactly what is being done to Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac?

 

[her209]

HAHA Democrats are going to lose in November. Americans dont like the Big Government big spending agenda.

You say that like Republicans aren't big Government big Spending.

 

[nick1985]

Can you fill me in on exactly what is being done to Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac?

Jack shit.

 

[Linflas]

You say that like Republicans aren't big Government big Spending.

We shall see. If they get elected in November promising to end spending and continue on with the spending spree then I suspect they will be one term representatives. Kind of like what is likely to take place with all those Democrats that got elected as "conservative" Democrats yet danced to whatever tune Nancy and Harry played. People are paying more attention to what is taking place in Washington and "likely voters" are really paying attention and it may not be good for either party but at this point the Dems have a lot more seats than the Republicans to lose.

 

[Doc Savage Fan]

The GOP was arguing FOR backroom deals. Their rationale for the filibuster -to PREVENT debate of the financial reform package on the floor-was so they could have more time to do bipartisan negotiations with the Dems-IN PRIVATE. I kid you not, that is the very convoluted "logic" the Senate GOP leader stated on the floor as their reason for the filibuster.

Do you have evidence that he was lying? Please post.

 

[MotF Bane]

This bill isn't perfect, as the industry has a lot of sway, including with Democrats. But it's better than nothing, and this is a win for the public.

Which party deserves to lose seats in November again? The Republicans. The Democrats aren't perfect but again do much better than the other side.

Your ideology is absolutely flawed. You would pass anything the Democrats propose, and say something is better than nothing, no matter how broken it is. You acknowledge the industry has a lot of sway; yet you credit this entire bill to the Democrats - so you are admitting your beloved Democrats are owned by the finance industry. Nothing surprising in that, but you are fine with it, because it's the Democrats!

Which party deserves to lose seats? Both. Which will? The Democrats. Both parties are just as bad, and you are blind and ignorant to deny that.

 

[highland145]

Looks like the reform party has their hand in the jar too. Who would have thought....

Of the $34 million given by the securities and investment industry in the 2010 election cycle, 62% has gone to Democrats and 37% to Republicans, according to the nonpartisan Center for Responsive Politics.

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748703763904575196550713825286.html

According to an analysis of FEC records by OpenSecrets.org, the firm's PAC (Goldman), employees and their dependent relatives combined have given 64 percent of their federal contributions to Democratic candidates and causes, and only 35 percent to Republicans since 1990.

http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/10111/1052478-473.stm

More has gone to the repubs recently but I would guess it has to do with the political climate and November more that anything else. Hedging their bets.