Republicans block campaign finance disclosure bill

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Washington (CNN) -- Senate Republicans narrowly blocked Democratic campaign finance disclosure legislation in the Senate Tuesday after raising concerns the bill would curb freedom of speech and tilt campaign spending in favor of the Democrats.

A 57-41 vote fell short of the 60 votes needed for the Senate to cut off debate on the measure. Republicans unanimously opposed the measure while Democrats solidly backed it.

Democrats said the legislation -- known as the DISCLOSE Act -- would bring greater transparency to campaign contributions from corporations, labor unions, and other special interests, which were able to ramp up political spending in the wake of the Supreme Court's controversial ruling in Citizens United vs. Federal Election Commission earlier this year.

The bill would require organizations paying for political advertising to disclose the names of their top donors in the ads, similar to what now is required of political candidates for federal office.

Republicans accused Democrats of trying to preserve their majorities in the House and Senate by skewing the rules in the favor of labor unions, trial lawyers, and other Democratic-leaning groups. Democrats denied that was their motive, and made certain changes to the bill last week aimed at satisfying GOP critics.

The Republicans were not mollified.

Democrats "fear the righteous judgment of the American people in this coming election," warned Sen. John Cornyn, R-Texas, who spearheads the Senate Republicans' election effort. "So they're trying to change the rules in the middle of the game to suppress the speech of those who might disagree" with them.

Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell, R-Kentucky, slammed the bill as a "partisan effort, pure and simple."

"This bill is about protecting incumbent Democrats from criticism ahead of this November's election," he said. It's an "all-out assault on the First Amendment."

Democrats accused Republicans of going back on their pledge to find a way to add transparency to political giving after the Citizens United ruling. They argued that without the new law, special interests will run roughshod over voters' interests.

"The Supreme Court decision was a true step backwards for this democracy," said Sen. Patty Murray, D-Washington. "It allowed corporations and special interest groups to spend unlimited amounts of their money influencing our democracy and it opens the door wide for foreign corporations to spend their money on elections right here in the United States."

Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid, D-Nevada, said the bill was "about trust and confidence in our democracy." The measure "asks us to put the people before the special interests," he argued. Let in "the sunlight that disinfects our democracy."

Sen. Olympia Snowe, R-Maine, who often votes with Democrats and who has worked on campaign finance legislation in the past, complained Democrats were resorting to "ram and jam" legislating in which Republicans are not invited to help craft bills and are forced to vote against measures they could have supported.

"I know it's good for politics to have a vote, but it isn't good for policy and getting it right," she said.

Sen. Charles Schumer, D-New York, promised that the Democratic leadership will continue to seek ways to overturn or reduce the impact of the high court's Citizens United ruling.

"This is a sad day for our democracy," he said. "This fight will continue."

Are you freaking kidding me? I am first of all surprised that a bill would even be brought up by either party, but for repubs to unanimously block this when they are calling for greater transparancy is absolutely rediculous.


I guess they really don't want "Brought to you by Exxon mobile, NRA, AIG, or Novartis pharmaceuticals" at the end of their tv ads.

This is truly sad for democracy.
 

Patranus

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Are you freaking kidding me? I am first of all surprised that a bill would even be brought up by either party, but for repubs to unanimously block this when they are calling for greater transparancy is absolutely rediculous.


I guess they really don't want "Brought to you by Exxon mobile, NRA, AIG, or Novartis pharmaceuticals" at the end of their tv ads.

This is truly sad for democracy.

Guess who is exempt in the legislation
(Hint: Unions)

I love how the "progressives" hate on big corporations and give a pass to big spending unions.
 

PeshakJang

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Are you freaking kidding me? I am first of all surprised that a bill would even be brought up by either party, but for repubs to unanimously block this when they are calling for greater transparancy is absolutely rediculous.


I guess they really don't want "Brought to you by Exxon mobile, NRA, AIG, or Novartis pharmaceuticals" at the end of their tv ads.

This is truly sad for democracy.

So this should just be another example of, "A bad bill is better than no bill", right?

You say you are surprised that either party would bring this up, yet when the Dems bring it up, you aren't suspicious of their motives? The Reps blocked it on the grounds that they think it is written poorly, and would lean in the favor of Democratic fundraising. You find this hard to believe? Have you read the text of the bill to comment on it?

The Dems can't lose. Craft a bill calling for "transparency in campaign finance", and try to ram it through. They could make it 100% in their favor, and if the Republicans block it, they shout, "The Republicans are against transparency!".

Secondly, why don't you highlight some examples the increased transparency that this Democratic congress has follow through with since coming to power?
 

Fern

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I'm all for transparancy.

I'll wait for info until making a judgement. So far I've seen this bit of info which was omitted from the article the OP posted:

The bill under consideration Tuesday would have prevented foreign corporations from spending money in American elections; prevented companies that receive TARP funds from financing elections or campaigns; prevented government contractors from funding campaigns; and would have required company CEOs to appear in campaign ads financed by their companies.

I do think we should prevent foreign corporations from spending on our elections.

But I don't understand why government contractors should be prohibited, likewise for TARP banks etc. I don't see why the company's CEO needs to appear in any ad either.

I'm guessing the Repubs opposed this because they are expecting donations from contractors and maybe Wall Street banks (although the latter heavily favored Obama last time IIRC).

Why can't they just pass a freakin bill requiring disclosure? Do we really need all this other stuff in it?

Fern
 
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This is hilarious. The GOP, who were outspent $730m to $333m in the 2008 Presidential election, don't want any reform?

I might even agree with them. Obama might hit $1b in 2012 while the GOP sends another lamb to slaughter.
 

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I'm all for transparancy.

I'll wait for info until making a judgement. So far I've seen this bit of info which was omitted from the article the OP posted:



I do think we should prevent foreign corporations from spending on our elections.

But I don't understand why government contractors should be prohibited, likewise for TARP banks etc. I don't see why the company's CEO needs to appear in any ad either.

I'm guessing the Repubs opposed this because they are expecting donations from contractors and maybe Wall Street banks (although the latter heavily favored Obama last time IIRC).

Why can't they just pass a freakin bill requiring disclosure? Do we really need all this other stuff in it?

Fern

Companies that receive TARP funds - no mention if companies that paid back their TARP funds would also fall under this legislation.
 

PeshakJang

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It also says that any entity holding a contract for offshore oil and gas exploration is forbidden from making contributions.

Of course, Obama already blasted the GOP, and claimed (lied) that all the law does is "make them put their name on TV ads".
 

Fern

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Given the recent SCOTUS case and the provisions in this bill barring certain industries and classifications of businesses from contributing, I bet it would be found unconstitutional. However, that case likely wouldn't be settled until AFTER the elections coming up in a few months.

Are there ulterior motives at work here? Am I being cynical?

Fern
 

werepossum

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I'm all for transparancy.

I'll wait for info until making a judgement. So far I've seen this bit of info which was omitted from the article the OP posted:



I do think we should prevent foreign corporations from spending on our elections.

But I don't understand why government contractors should be prohibited, likewise for TARP banks etc. I don't see why the company's CEO needs to appear in any ad either.

I'm guessing the Repubs opposed this because they are expecting donations from contractors and maybe Wall Street banks (although the latter heavily favored Obama last time IIRC).

Why can't they just pass a freakin bill requiring disclosure? Do we really need all this other stuff in it?

Fern

The talk a couple weeks ago was that this bill would require the five or six largest donors to a group to appear in the advert saying "I'm Grover Moneybags and I approved this message", thus reducing precious and expensive air time for actually giving the message as well as giving the progressives good targets for their anger and boycotts. Democrat groups like unions were specifically exempted. Sounds like yet another attempt by the Dems to stack the deck in their favor, punishing the newer grass roots conservative groups whilst protecting older liberal groups. Haven't read the bill though. They also bought NRA support by inclusion which points to a need for new leadership in the NRA - selective freedom is not a win.
 

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Are you freaking kidding me?

but for repubs to unanimously block this when they are calling for greater transparancy is absolutely rediculous.

I guess they really don't want "Brought to you by Exxon mobile, NRA, AIG, or Novartis pharmaceuticals" at the end of their tv ads.

This is truly sad for democracy.

How can you be surprised?

I've been saying for years how much they hate America.
 

SparkyJJO

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I'm all for transparancy.

I'll wait for info until making a judgement. So far I've seen this bit of info which was omitted from the article the OP posted:



I do think we should prevent foreign corporations from spending on our elections.

But I don't understand why government contractors should be prohibited, likewise for TARP banks etc. I don't see why the company's CEO needs to appear in any ad either.

I'm guessing the Repubs opposed this because they are expecting donations from contractors and maybe Wall Street banks (although the latter heavily favored Obama last time IIRC).

Why can't they just pass a freakin bill requiring disclosure? Do we really need all this other stuff in it?

Fern

You're talking about politicians here. They all have to shove unrelated crap into a bill to get things they want put into law, things that by themselves may not fly otherwise.

How can you be surprised?

I've been saying for years how much they hate America.

I wish you'd shut up with your "hate america" drivel.
 

woolfe9999

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The talk a couple weeks ago was that this bill would require the five or six largest donors to a group to appear in the advert saying "I'm Grover Moneybags and I approved this message", thus reducing precious and expensive air time for actually giving the message as well as giving the progressives good targets for their anger and boycotts. Democrat groups like unions were specifically exempted. Sounds like yet another attempt by the Dems to stack the deck in their favor, punishing the newer grass roots conservative groups whilst protecting older liberal groups. Haven't read the bill though. They also bought NRA support by inclusion which points to a need for new leadership in the NRA - selective freedom is not a win.

The partial union exemptions which were originally in the House bill ended up being jettisoned but the bill still got no republican votes.

- wolf
 

Craig234

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The partial union exemptions which were originally in the House bill ended up being jettisoned but the bill still got no republican votes.

- wolf

I don't expect to hear back from werepossum to your post. Maybe this post can bait him.
 

Vette73

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Guess who is exempt in the legislation
(Hint: Unions)

I love how the "progressives" hate on big corporations and give a pass to big spending unions.


I guess you missed...

"would bring greater transparency to campaign contributions from corporations, labor unions, and other special interests..."
 

piasabird

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What is wrong with a little open debate? The truth is that democrats are trying to pass bills in the middle of the night without even a chance for logical debate on the subject. This is just a procedural vote. It just means some debate will occur. They still have the votes to pass the legislation.
 

bamacre

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I guess you missed...

"would bring greater transparency to campaign contributions from corporations, labor unions, and other special interests..."

Just because it's in the article doesn't make it true. I'd like to see further verification.
 

nageov3t

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how do we expect Obama to negotiate with Iran and North Korea when he can't convince 1 republican in 40 to vote to end a filibuster so he can move his party's agenda through congress?
 

Craig234

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how do we expect Obama to negotiate with Iran and North Korea when he can't convince 1 republican in 40 to vote to end a filibuster so he can move his party's agenda through congress?

Well, for one thing, Iran and North Korea hate the US less and are more rational and reasonable than the Republican party today.

You need to understand there's no 'convincing' the Republicans - their view is that short of voting for puppy torture, blocking the Democrats from almost anything 'helps them'.

It's not as if Obama making a good speech to them will get their votes. And he has less to give them than he does the other nations, and less to threaten them with.
 

Red Dawn

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how do we expect Obama to negotiate with Iran and North Korea when he can't convince 1 republican in 40 to vote to end a filibuster so he can move his party's agenda through congress?
Because NK and Iran are more reasonable. Nah that's not it, they are just as stubborn as the Republicans;)

BTW I'm kidding, I'm not out there like Craig.