Republicans ask House candidate to withdraw from race.

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http://www.nytimes.com/2006/10/20/us/po...mmig.html?_r=1&ref=politics&oref=login

County G.O.P. Asks Candidate to Withdraw Over Letter Threat

LOS ANGELES, Oct. 19 ? The Orange County Republican Party asked one of its Congressional candidates on Thursday to withdraw from the November election after a campaign worker from his office sent a letter threatening Hispanic voters with jail if they went to the polls.

Despite Mr. Nguyen?s disavowing involvement with the letter, local Republican leaders said they thought he had played a direct role in it, said Adam Probolsky, a spokesman.

?The Republican Party of Orange County has asked Mr. Nguyen to resign his candidacy,? Mr. Probolsky said. ?We condemn all voter intimidation, and Mr. Nguyen is not a welcome member of our party.?

Mr. Nguyen, a Vietnamese immigrant, is running an underdog campaign for the 47th Congressional District seat



OK, the Republicans did the right thing. But you have to wonder what they would have done if this guy had a chance of winning.

 

[JeepinEd]

With the exception of the software tracking part, there is nothing in that letter that is false.
Illegal Aliens and Resident Aliens are not allowed to vote. It is against the law.
Only U.S. Citizens are allowed to vote. I fail to see the voter intimidation here, as the letter is targeted at people who are not allowed to vote in the first place.

Just more of the politically correct BS as far as I'm concerned.

 

[dmcowen674]

Originally posted by: JeepinEd
With the exception of the software tracking part, there is nothing in that letter that is false.
Illegal Aliens and Resident Aliens are not allowed to vote. It is against the law.
Only U.S. Citizens are allowed to vote. I fail to see the voter intimidation here, as the letter is targeted at people who are not allowed to vote in the first place.

Just more of the politically correct BS as far as I'm concerned.

Oh look another apologist infiltrates P&N.

 

[CaptnKirk]

Originally posted by: JeepinEd
With the exception of the software tracking part, there is nothing in that letter that is false.
Illegal Aliens and Resident Aliens are not allowed to vote. It is against the law.
Only U.S. Citizens are allowed to vote. I fail to see the voter intimidation here, as the letter is targeted at people who are not allowed to vote in the first place.

Just more of the politically correct BS as far as I'm concerned.

. . and just what part of 'IT"S ILLEGAL AND A VIOLATION OF FEDERAL LAWS' don't you understand?


I'll bet there are a whole lot of other things that you fail on as well.

 

[Pens1566]

Originally posted by: JeepinEd
With the exception of the software tracking part, there is nothing in that letter that is false.
Illegal Aliens and Resident Aliens are not allowed to vote. It is against the law.
Only U.S. Citizens are allowed to vote. I fail to see the voter intimidation here, as the letter is targeted at people who are not allowed to vote in the first place.

Just more of the politically correct BS as far as I'm concerned.

Yeah, that's why everyone including his own state party is coming down on him like a hammer. The letter wasn't targeted at people who aren't allowed to vote. It was targeted at a demographic that is largely democratic. Did you ever wonder where the mailing list came from? Registered voter list maybe? How did all those illegals get registered??? The letter just mentions immigrants while LEGAL immigrants that are naturalized citizens can vote.

We welcome another apologist to P&N

 

[JeepinEd]

Originally posted by: dmcowen674

Originally posted by: JeepinEd
With the exception of the software tracking part, there is nothing in that letter that is false.
Illegal Aliens and Resident Aliens are not allowed to vote. It is against the law.
Only U.S. Citizens are allowed to vote. I fail to see the voter intimidation here, as the letter is targeted at people who are not allowed to vote in the first place.

Just more of the politically correct BS as far as I'm concerned.

Oh look another apologist infiltrates P&N.

Right, because the fact that I don't see what the big deal is, I must be an apologist.
Please tell me, though, apologist to whom? Bush, who doesn't think there should be a border between the US and Mexico? or the Dems, who think whe should do whatever we can to help them cross the border illegally?

You are the apologist. Bowing down to people offended by the fact that they were being reminded that they can't vote.

 

[Aegeon]

Originally posted by: JeepinEd
Right, because the fact that I don't see what the big deal is,

Obviously he was trying to primarily intimidate LEGAL voters who in many cases have become US citizens relatively recently. The letter clearly included legal immigrants as phrased and did not specify resident aliens. There are very strong laws against anything that appears to be designed to intimidate legally registered voters from voting because such an action is viewed as repugnant to our system.

The letter also included the assertion that "your vote doesn't matter", so you can't spin it as merely an ill thought out to educate individuals who might have registered illegally. The goal was clearly to persuade its recipiants not to vote.

 

[Pens1566]

Tell me please, if these were all illegals, how did they get their addresses, and why doesn't INS know about it before the RNC database does? Here's a hint: they weren't all illegals. Here's another hint: that means some of them were citizens. Here's another hint: they were trying to scare away some likely democratic voters.

 

[JeepinEd]

I am a naturalized citizen. I grew up around illegal aliens. The majority of them live life just as you and I. They even buy homes. This means that they are on quite a few mailing lists. I know at least three illegal aliens who are registered voters and actually vote. This infuriates me, as I have sacrificed alot in order to come to this country legally and become a citizen.

Most people who become citizens, do so in order to be able to vote. One of the things you learn is that you are no longer an immigrant, you are a US Citizen. Find me one naturalized Citizen who was intimidated by this letter, and I'll take it all back.

I am not defending Mr. Nguyen's methods of gathering data, as I don't know how he obtained it. It could have been legally, as I stated above, or Illegally. What I am saying is that I think people are overreacting to the contents of the letter, mainly due to political correctness. Whether he is a Dem or a Rep has nothing to do with it.

If that makes me some sort of apologist, then so be it.

 

[Pens1566]

Watch the news reports. There were several people interviewed who were citizens (would be kind of stupid for an illegal to let themselves be interviewed) that complained and brought the issue up. If this was completely innocent, no way the CA Republican party would be calling for the guys head. But, yeah to them it's a political issue.

 

[PELarson]

"or you are an immigrant,"

IMO... these are the words that caused the outrage. At a minimum it is a sloppy letter. If the letter had read or you are an immigrant AND NOT A NATURALIZED CITIZEN WHO HAS REGISTERD TO VOTE. It would have been less odorous.

The Republicans dropping Nguyen is a nice jester in a district that is safe for the Democrats.:thumbsup:

 

[Fern]

Originally posted by: Pens1566
Tell me please, if these were all illegals, how did they get their addresses........


and why doesn't INS know about it before the RNC database does?

Ummm... The phone book?

Until they determine the source of the database its jsy speculation to say it came from the registered voter lists etc.

Voting fraud is a criminal offense in CA.

Would be helpful if someone who can read Spanish finds the original Spanish version and translates for us. The use of the "immigrant" is too vague for a letter of this sort. If you're an immigrant who has been naturalized, you can vote. Any other type immigrant, whether legal or not, cannot.

Oh, about the INS - They won't even come and pick up illegals when local law enforcement calls them. If this was miraculously some list of illegals in the area I highly INS would care, or do anything.

Did you see the guy ride the elephant back and forth across the Rio Grande, with a marachi band playing music? No border agents showed up. etc.

Fern

 

[Aegeon]

Originally posted by: Fern
Did you see the guy ride the elephant back and forth across the Rio Grande, with a marachi band playing music? No border agents showed up. etc.

Fern

The guy certainly didn't go back and forth across the Rio Grande. All involved stayed on the US side of the river and the US border guard had better things to do than stop them when they clearly were involved in some stupid stunt and not illegal immigration.

 

[1EZduzit]

Originally posted by: JeepinEd
I am a naturalized citizen. I grew up around illegal aliens. The majority of them live life just as you and I. They even buy homes. This means that they are on quite a few mailing lists. I know at least three illegal aliens who are registered voters and actually vote. This infuriates me, as I have sacrificed alot in order to come to this country legally and become a citizen.

Most people who become citizens, do so in order to be able to vote. One of the things you learn is that you are no longer an immigrant, you are a US Citizen. Find me one naturalized Citizen who was intimidated by this letter, and I'll take it all back.

I am not defending Mr. Nguyen's methods of gathering data, as I don't know how he obtained it. It could have been legally, as I stated above, or Illegally. What I am saying is that I think people are overreacting to the contents of the letter, mainly due to political correctness. Whether he is a Dem or a Rep has nothing to do with it.

If that makes me some sort of apologist, then so be it.

I feel your pain Ed. My heart goes out to the immigrants who came here legally, learned the language, and went through the process of being naturalized, which I understand isn't the easiest thing in the world to do.

I also can't imagine a person who had the desire and spunk to get here and become a naturalized US citizen being intimidated by a lousy letter. It;s pure poppycock.

 

[Aegeon]

Originally posted by: 1EZduzit
I also can't imagine a person who had the desire and spunk to get here and become a naturalized US citizen being intimidated by a lousy letter. It;s pure poppycock.

That's highly questionable. The purpose of the letter was clearly to do just that, presumably not knowing that the way he was phrasing things made him criminally liable. This list was sent to 16,000 individuals on the registered voters list who had hispanic surnames. While unlikely to have worked in this case given the poll numbers, in a close election intimidating a small number of voters might be enough to win.

 

[Fern]

Originally posted by: Aegeon

Originally posted by: Fern
Did you see the guy ride the elephant back and forth across the Rio Grande, with a marachi band playing music? No border agents showed up. etc.

Fern

The guy certainly didn't go back and forth across the Rio Grande. All involved stayed on the US side of the river and the US border guard had better things to do than stop them when they clearly were involved in some stupid stunt and not illegal immigration.

Yeah, he and the elephant crossed the Rio Grande Link with video

 

[dmcowen674]

Originally posted by: Fern

Originally posted by: Aegeon

Originally posted by: Fern
Did you see the guy ride the elephant back and forth across the Rio Grande, with a marachi band playing music? No border agents showed up. etc.

Fern

The guy certainly didn't go back and forth across the Rio Grande. All involved stayed on the US side of the river and the US border guard had better things to do than stop them when they clearly were involved in some stupid stunt and not illegal immigration.

Yeah, he and the elephant crossed the Rio Grande Link with video

Yes, he was a contestant on Trump's The Apprentice

 

[Aegeon]

Originally posted by: Fern
Yeah, he and the elephant crossed the Rio Grande Link with video

You might want to actually pay attention to what the video actually showed. It certainly did not show him crossing the Rio Grande. It shows him hanging out on the bank of the Rio Grande with the elephant, all on the US side. You should be a little more discriminating when watching a political ad!

 

[Aegeon]

I think the Republican House candidate's primary concern at this point should be staying out of jail.

State agents on Friday searched the campaign office of a Republican congressional candidate whose campaign mailed thousands of intimidating letters to Hispanic immigrant voters.

About 10 uniformed Department of Justice agents arrived with a search warrant and could be seen opening cabinets, scouring desks and packing up a computer inside the storefront campaign office of Tan D. Nguyen, a Vietnamese immigrant trying to unseat a popular Democratic incumbent.

State and federal officials have been investigating the mailing for possible violations of election or civil rights law.

Nguyen has acknowledged his campaign sent the letters but insisted he was not personally involved. He said he will stay in the race despite mounting pressure for him to step aside, including from within his own party.

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.c.../politics/p130510D04.DTL&type=politics

 

[ProfJohn]

Apparently this guy never had a chance to win in the first place.

The party did the right thing, anyone who suggests otherwise is playing politics.

Both sides get their share of idiots from time to time, witness the crazy Democrat in Alabama who denied the holocaust among other things.