Republicans are just evil, Idaho edition (Life in Prison for gender treatment)

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sao123

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Even Jesus didn't take the "Bible"(as it was) literally.

The US Founding Fathers specifically rejected 2 things. One was rejecting Monarchy/Autocracy and the other was rejecting the Church as part of government.

Stop fearing a non-existant Abuser.

Jesus gave 2 Laws and only 2.

What is "Evil"? I don't think you even know what it is.

Jesus and Yahweh (The God of the Old Testament) are one and the same. Jesus gave every law recorded in the Old Testament also.
 

sandorski

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Jesus and Yahweh (The God of the Old Testament) are one and the same. Jesus gave every law recorded in the Old Testament also.

Cool story bro. Saying it doesn't make it true. Only 10 of the Old Testament Laws were specifically claimed to come from "God". The rest were just the list of laws that governed Jewish life. Like any Law in any Society they were all Manmade and enforced. If "God" had written those laws, "God" seems to have the exact same flaws we Humans have, that is demonstrated by very simple facts being overlooked.

Jewish prophecies of the Messiah do not support this purely Christian idea. Also, the ideas of Heaven/Hell are absolutely nonsensical from a Jewish perspective. Christianity is about as related to Judaism as Mormonism is to Christianity. Some window dressing with a whole lot of bizarre claims thrown in.
 
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ch33zw1z

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Why don't you try reading the first amendment and see how it destroys your Christan nation nonsense.

Oh, you mean this one?


Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances.
 
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Pohemi

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This is however, about setting policy and laws for the nation, our nation. As a Christian nation it is our duty to uphold the laws of God or face punishment and the destruction of the nation itself.

Time after time, passage after passage Judgement is pronounced on Nations that do evil in the sight of the Lord.
We will not simply stand by and watch leftist government after leftist government pass laws which declare that which is evil is now good and lawful.
Holy fucking christ, you're a goddamned idiot, pun intended. Fuck off, you ignorant dipshit.
Why don't you try reading the first amendment and see how it destroys your Christan nation nonsense.
He ignores the parts he doesn't agree with, but the rest of it "is the word of GOD himself!!!" :rolleyes: Because yes, he's THAT stupid.
 

kitkat22

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Wow, that came out there - I want to thank people for their comments. Even sao123 because it allows me to possibly respond and hopefully open up dialogue. I am not going to say I can change anyone's mind, especially on a web-based anonymous forum. But I will try to put in my two cents.

Growing up, I was the "golden child." My parents have even said if I wasn't as good as I was my younger siblings wouldn't be here. My next oldest brother contracted HIV from a bad transfusion after a tonsilectomy and most of our early childhood focused around his needs. As you can imagine, growing up in the 80s, our family was ostracized, ridiculed, cast out. All because we were the family with the kid with AIDS. Because the focus was primarily on my brother, I laid low. I did what I was told, got good grades and stayed out of trouble, for the most part. By the time I was 8yo I knew I was transgender. I didn't have a name to it, but I stole my mom's clothes. Yep, I crossdressed. Got caught a couple times, which made me really good at hiding it more. Was even called a "freak" by my own mother. There was even a time I strongly debated running away, but eventually I decided to try towing the line. I found overworking and overachieving were ways to control the battle in my head. So, I pushed work hard. Ridiculously hard. Hence the doctor part. I got married and we have 4 kids.

Oftentimes, it's hard to describe what gender dysphoria actually feels like. It sucks. It truly is the last thing I would ever want and I spent 30 years trying ever method I could imagine trying to get rid of it. Some will say it's a war in our heads. Imagine a set of headphones on and nothing but static. Constantly. From morning to night. The noise has moments where it is louder and softer, but it is always there and basically turning the experience into a grind. This is why depression and suicide are so prevalent. We want the noise to go away. For those who are religious, yeah, I prayed constantly to have this go away. Again, spent 30 years trying. Eventually, I realized I couldn't keep up the fight. I was becoming mentally exhausted and yes, suicidal. I came out to my wife and started taking hormone replacement.

The start of hormone therapy was a godsend! For the first time in my life the noise was lessened. It was still there but the relief was palpable. My wife and family immediately noticed a positive difference. As my wife put it, i was more present. Eventually, the physical changes of the hormones caught up to the point there was no sense in hiding who I am and I came out to the world.

So, this is why when people talk to me that I am wrong, I am a freak or whatever, I get mad. This is only a small sampling of my experiences. I could easily write a book of the struggle I went through. Call me a sinner, go ahead. I would rather be looked at as a freak and a sinner than go back to that horrible noise and place that was going on. I won't go there. Yes, the difference is that extreme.
 

Fenixgoon

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While I would applaud any person who seeks after God, there are things about the Trans and Homosexual lifestyle which are not reconcilable against the literal text of the bible.
However, this isn't about casting judgement on any single person, your fate, the final decision of heaven and hell is between God and you alone.

This is however, about setting policy and laws for the nation, our nation. As a Christian nation it is our duty to uphold the laws of God or face punishment and the destruction of the nation itself.

Time after time, passage after passage Judgement is pronounced on Nations that do evil in the sight of the Lord.
We will not simply stand by and watch leftist government after leftist government pass laws which declare that which is evil is now good and lawful.
 
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HomerJS

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Oh, you mean this one?


Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances.
We already prohibit the free exercise thereof. Just ask the Rastafarians
 
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kitkat22

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I work in a hospital. I see the suicide attempts. I see the sex trafficking. I see the hurt society tries to inflict and I am not silent any longer. All you on the outside, making assumptions about who we are or not are, you are plain wrong. If you want to put a religious spin on it sure, the 2 great commandments are love God and your neighbor. So, who is your neighbor? Might want to take a deep look at that parable again because the Bible does not say it's just your white conservative patriotic friends.
 

Leeea

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Never been a Republican a day in my life. I have a track record of being a registered Democrat -- not bragging, but it is what it is.
I believe you. Lots of people end up under the big tent, and frequently we do not agree.


You need to understand that the transgender under 18 thing is harmless. It is just puberty blockers, which are completely reversible and simply delay puberty until after the person has become an adult and they can make their own legal decision.
 
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ch33zw1z

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Holy fucking christ, you're a goddamned idiot, pun intended. Fuck off, you ignorant dipshit.

He ignores the parts he doesn't agree with, but the rest of it "is the word of GOD himself!!!" :rolleyes: Because yes, he's THAT stupid.

Americans that think that a "christian" nation is enshrined in the first (or any) amendment aren't necessarily dumb, they're just making it up.

@sandorski nailed it, you can't have free practice of religion without the freedom to not practice it.

This issue comes up because christians specifically think that because they've had their way for so long in America that they're entitled to keep on running the show. Simply not true, but truth and facts will never stop religious persons from trying to bend society to their will.
 
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Pohemi

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Americans that think that a "christian" nation is enshrined in the first (or any) amendment aren't necessarily dumb, they're just making it up.

@sandorski nailed it, you can't have free practice of religion without the freedom to not practice it.

This issue comes up because christians specifically think that because they've had their way for so long in America that they're entitled to keep on running the show. Simply not true, but truth and facts will never stop religious persons from trying to bend society to their will.
I'll admit it's very possible if not likely (here on these boards) that he's not ignorant of the actual content of the law, he's just a dishonest shit. Either way, he's a fucking idiot since he claims to know the law enshrined in the constitution.
 

ch33zw1z

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While I would applaud any person who seeks after God, there are things about the Trans and Homosexual lifestyle which are not reconcilable against the literal text of the bible.
However, this isn't about casting judgement on any single person, your fate, the final decision of heaven and hell is between God and you alone.

This is however, about setting policy and laws for the nation, our nation. As a Christian nation it is our duty to uphold the laws of God or face punishment and the destruction of the nation itself.

Time after time, passage after passage Judgement is pronounced on Nations that do evil in the sight of the Lord.
We will not simply stand by and watch leftist government after leftist government pass laws which declare that which is evil is now good and lawful.
why do you hate america?
 
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Pohemi

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I know sao123 has always posted like an imbecile, but I don't recall him being a more politically-oriented arredondo...he might be trolling.
 

sao123

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I work in a hospital. I see the suicide attempts. I see the sex trafficking. I see the hurt society tries to inflict and I am not silent any longer. All you on the outside, making assumptions about who we are or not are, you are plain wrong. If you want to put a religious spin on it sure, the 2 great commandments are love God and your neighbor. So, who is your neighbor? Might want to take a deep look at that parable again because the Bible does not say it's just your white conservative patriotic friends.

Not sure who this comment was directed at, but if it was me...

Despite what all the morons around here falsely say... Lets clear up this often repeated mythology right now.
Evangelical Christianity is NOT just a group of white conservatives. It is fully multi-racial.
The per capita demographics for blacks and latino's, is actually a higher percentage than for whites.

 

Meghan54

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Not sure who this comment was directed at, but if it was me...

Despite what all the morons around here falsely say... Lets clear up this often repeated mythology right now.
Evangelical Christianity is NOT just a group of white conservatives. It is fully multi-racial.
The per capita demographics for blacks and latino's, is actually a higher percentage than for whites.

No one said evangelicals were exclusively white, moron.

But as your linked article says, there are more white evangelical Christians than the entire U.S. black population. Kinda why “white evangelicals” is a thing.
 
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brycejones

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Not sure who this comment was directed at, but if it was me...

Despite what all the morons around here falsely say... Lets clear up this often repeated mythology right now.
Evangelical Christianity is NOT just a group of white conservatives. It is fully multi-racial.
The per capita demographics for blacks and latino's, is actually a higher percentage than for whites.

White Evangelicals tend to push very different political agendas than other Evangelicals and are the core of the current conservative movement.
 

kitkat22

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I never said evangelical Christianity was exclusively white. There were several inferences I tried to make with the above reference and a lot has to do with the story of the good samaritan. I will also juxtapose that with "one" of the missions of Christ.

As you are probably aware, a Samaria and the Samaritans were absolutely hated by the Jewish culture/people. They were felt to have committed apostasy and as a consequence were felt not to be even Jews. Hence, why this story is so powerful. Jesus set up the lawyer to give the right answer and very specifically used a priest and a Levite in extreme contrast to the Samaritan. This story is a story of service and love. It is not a conversion story. It is not a story that attacks other's beliefs. This story is intended to teach us to treat others as our equals despite our differences, hate or prejudices.

The United States is a Democratic Republic based on Christian principles. We are not a Christian nation though there is a lot of Christianity present in our country. We are a mixture of many cultures and beliefs. I believe even despite our differences we are a country that does try to do good as a whole. We are not perfect and we have made mistakes, but we are trying. Yeah, we have problems. But the story above illustrates loving those who are different, not attacking them with the stick of "you sinner!" I can guarantee you are not going to change anyone's hearts or minds with that mantra. I used the white, conservative, patriotic reference because we in white society are very cliquish. Again, goes back to the story of the Good Samaritan to see beyond ourselves because our neighbors aren't just those who live next to us.

So how about that "one of" the missions of Christ? Take a look at the law of Moses again. We have the 10 commandments sure, but there were a lot of laws given in Leviticus by God and yes, there were laws given about lying with members of the same sex and crossdressing. But what about the others?

God very specifically said not to wear clothes from different cloth (Lev 19:19) or not to cut your hair or shave (Lev 19:27). We don't kill men or woman who commit adultery (Lev 20:10). How about burning at the stake a priest's daughter who is a "whore?" What about those with flat noses, blind or lame cannot go to an altar of God? We should kill people who sometimes question their faith? (Deuteronomy 13:12-16)

The answer lies in Matthew 5:17. Jesus fulfilled the law. The law of Moses was essentially superseded by His higher law. We use some principles in the law of Moses, but the law of Moses is done away. Jesus then goes on to explain the changes in the Sermon on the Mount. I especially like 5:44 - love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you and persecute you.