Republicans are just evil, Idaho edition (Life in Prison for gender treatment)

Zorba

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Bill in Idaho would make it felony to provide any assistance to a minor getting gender affirming medical treatment. Not just any felony, a felony punishable by life in prison.

I really don't understand how people are so filled with hatred that they can be this stupid and evil, but it seems like the republican party is just swan diving right into the full blown hatred pool.


Another problem with going full out fascist is it makes it impossible to actually have a real debate on these subjects and just turns it into a binary "Are you Evil?" or "Do you have some amount of empathy."
 
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BoomerD

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Having lived a few times in Idaho, I can attest that Idaho is the West Virginia of the western USA.
 
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kitkat22

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Being in Spokane, this is insane. It's even a felony taking the minor to another state for treatment.
 
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nickqt

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No one is in direct risk of dying from this bill. There are worse things in the world. We still have trillions in student debt and medical debt. In comparison, this is literally nothing. This is far from the time to be worrying about putting everything behind super-far-left ideologies like this.

Go ahead, take away my anarcho-syndicalism card. I'm still way to your left.
 

sandorski

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No one is in direct risk of dying from this bill. There are worse things in the world. We still have trillions in student debt and medical debt. In comparison, this is literally nothing. This is far from the time to be worrying about putting everything behind super-far-left ideologies like this.

Go ahead, take away my anarcho-syndicalism card. I'm still way to your left.

It is not a Political issue. It is Medical.
 

Moonbeam

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What if there is a hell where you can be sent if you defy your actual God given sex and get altered. Shouldn’t everybody involved be put to death? Maybe what we are looking at is actually liberal mercy.
 

Zorba

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No one is in direct risk of dying from this bill. There are worse things in the world. We still have trillions in student debt and medical debt. In comparison, this is literally nothing. This is far from the time to be worrying about putting everything behind super-far-left ideologies like this.

Go ahead, take away my anarcho-syndicalism card. I'm still way to your left.
So you have no problem with people being jailed for life because they upset a far right politician? You have no issue denying teens indicated medical care that has proven to lower suicide rates? And further, you have no problem with a right wing governor controlling what people do outside of their own borders?

No one is dieing from student loans, but the lack of empathy for others is exactly why nothing is happening there as well.
 

Xcobra

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So much for too much government intervening into their conservative little lives..
What if there is a hell where you can be sent if you defy your actual God given sex and get altered. Shouldn’t everybody involved be put to death? Maybe what we are looking at is actually liberal mercy.
Ummm, no.
 
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K1052

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Texas is looking to prosecute the parents of trans kids retroactively for their treatments. So even if the kid is over 18 the state will come after you.

The next few years are going to be wild.
 
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Zorba

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What if there is a hell where you can be sent if you defy your actual God given sex and get altered. Shouldn’t everybody involved be put to death? Maybe what we are looking at is actually liberal mercy.
WTF? Put down the crack pipe dude. God has nothing to do with gender selection. And even if they/them did, and there was a hell, earthly punishments shouldn't have any basis in hypothetical biblical after life punishments.
 
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Moonbeam

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WTF? Put down the crack pipe dude. God has nothing to do with gender selection. And even if they/them did, and there was a hell, earthly punishments shouldn't have any basis in hypothetical biblical after life punishments.
Hehe, wonderful news. Now tell it to the millions of idiots that do believe exactly that.
 
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While im not in favor of minors having gender treatment. Im ok with it overall. Just think 18 should be the age. But as it stands currently, arent republicans usually about parental rights for the children and keep your commie government mitts off my decisions? Either way the punishment for this is ridiculous.
 
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What if there is a hell where you can be sent if you defy your actual God given sex and get altered. Shouldn’t everybody involved be put to death? Maybe what we are looking at is actually liberal mercy.
As it's equally plausible that only trans people go to heaven, I think we can dismiss both sides as bad public policy.
 
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K1052

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arent republicans usually about parental rights for the children and keep your commie government mitts off my decisions?

No. The QAnon child trafficking thing is evolving in to a main GOP platform plank that LGBT people are grooming children. Thus justifying basically any sort of legal crackdown and persecution of the group. They're just starting with trans people and the parents of trans kids because they are sitting ducks and most of America doesn't care what happens to them. Escalation is inevitable though.
 
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vi edit

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These things just speed this up


Make it too miserable to live in a state and force people out just doubling down on your tribalism. We're going to be a shamble of a democracy in 10 years.
 
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mindless1

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The penalty is far too harsh, but I'm very much against these treatments for a minor. Their brain is not fully developed and 99.999% of the time, someone with an agenda has convinced them to do it, whether actively or passively. These outside influences are why there is a high suicide rate, NOT lack of getting treatment. Poor parenting is the overwhelming cause of an emotionally fragile child.

Lots of kids feel like they don't fit into society today. Steering them down a path is the wrong thing to do rather than letting them find their own way and once an adult, then making adult decisions.
 
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K1052

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The penalty is far too harsh, but I'm very much against these treatments for a minor. Their brain is not fully developed and 99.999% of the time, someone with an agenda has convinced them to do it, whether actively or passively. These outside influences are why there is a high suicide rate, NOT lack of getting treatment. Poor parenting is the overwhelming cause of an emotionally fragile child.

Lots of kids feel like they don't fit into society today. Steering them down a path is the wrong thing to do rather than letting them find their own way and once an adult, then making adult decisions.

Persecuting the fuck out of trans kids and their parents will prevent suicides to a hell of a take.
 
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mindless1

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^ Can you reword that in english? I never suggested prosecuting people prevents suicides. On second thought, never mind, clearly anyone coming into this topic has their mind made up already and arguing won't change it.
 
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K1052

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^ Can you reword that in english? I never suggested prosecuting people prevents suicides. On second thought, never mind, clearly anyone coming into this topic has their mind made up already and arguing won't change it.

I said persecuting not prosecuting. Making the lives of such people unlivable is not a moderate position.
 
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mindless1

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^ and surgical procedures on minors to alter their gender IS a moderate position?

It doesn't make their lives unlivable. It's not where the problem lies. It's taking a child that needs emotional help, and steering them towards something that is not the solution. It does not erase the chaos in their lives and does not build coping skills.

This is another one of those topics that could go on forever and never get anywhere, so unsubscribed.
 

nakedfrog

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The penalty is far too harsh, but I'm very much against these treatments for a minor. Their brain is not fully developed and 99.999% of the time, someone with an agenda has convinced them to do it, whether actively or passively. These outside influences are why there is a high suicide rate, NOT lack of getting treatment. Poor parenting is the overwhelming cause of an emotionally fragile child.

Lots of kids feel like they don't fit into society today. Steering them down a path is the wrong thing to do rather than letting them find their own way and once an adult, then making adult decisions.
That person is themselves. Their agenda is happiness.
The outside influences are people like you.
Like many other things, this is, ah, what's that phrase? A "personal medical decision". Y'know, like a vaccine. Maybe that puts it in terms you can grasp?
 

nakedfrog

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^ and surgical procedures on minors to alter their gender IS a moderate position?
Please list for me the statistics of how many minors are having the surgery you speak of.
It doesn't make their lives unlivable. It's not where the problem lies. It's taking a child that needs emotional help, and steering them towards something that is not the solution. It does not erase the chaos in their lives and does not build coping skills.
Well, medically speaking, it IS the solution. The results speak for themselves, when you limit your data set to reputable sources, peer reviewed, etc. They need fewer coping skills when they don't have to cope with this on top of everything else.