Republicans and the 10 Commandments

[dmw16]

I won't claim to be a Biblical expert and I am not looking to start a flame war here, I just want to try and understand what seems like an incongruence (sp) to me.

One of the 10 Commandments is 'Thou shalt not kill' and these commandments (if I understand correctly) lies at the heart of all Judeo-Christian religions.

So here is where I get confused...

In my experience and observation a lot of more devout religious people seem to be Republican. (I work with a few born again christians who are always trying to wittness to me or something. But that is really a different story and seems like would just get this question off track)

But to my point, how can a True Christian vote for anyone who supports a war? Whether they are a Democrat or a Republican.

I am really not looking for a flame war or anything, I just want to know how you reconcile this.

 

[engineereeyore]

War in defense of your country is similar to self-defense. Is it wrong to kill someone who is threatening to kill you and has the means to do so? No. Same is true of war.

Where it gets interesting is in whether or not the war is justified. If not, Ole Bushy will have a lot of blood on his hands to explain. Everyone has their opinions, so we'll just have to see how it turns out in the end.

 

[glenn beck]

ratsach - Do not put anyone to death without cause

real translation from Hebrew Thou shall not murder

 

[Harvey]

And in other news, Congress passed new legislation that should save taxpayers millions of dollars. The bill saves time, space and the cost of materials in public installations of the Ten Commandments by reducing the number of commandments to be included to five. The deleted commandments are:

• Thou shalt not murder.
  
• Thou shalt not steal.
  
• Thou shalt not commit adultery.
  
• Thou shalt not bear false witness against thy neighbor.
  
• Thou shalt not take the name of thy god in vain.

The legislation renames the document, "The Five Commandments," also known as "The Pentalogue," and is retroactive to the year, 1776, ensuring that no current or previous member of Congress or any administration can ever be held accountable for their actions, thus saving more money by eliminating the costs of any prosecution for violations of the former commandments.

President Bush announced that his signing statement also exempts him from personal responsiblity to adhere to the remaining five commandments.

Congress will now turn its attention to considering further legislation aimed at reducing the cost of enforcing the remaining rules by renaming the document, "The Five Suggestions."

 

[ProfJohn]

Well as a "true Christian" you can
a. vote for Republican who support war
or
b. vote for Democrats who support abortion

Either way it looks like you are screwed huh?

I think most would rather vote for a war in defense of their beliefs and freedom over abortion.

Don't forget this war is against people who would take away their right to practice their Christian beliefs.

 

[Craig234]

nm

 

[engineereeyore]

Originally posted by: Harvey
And in other news, Congress passed new legislation that should save taxpayers millions of dollars. The bill saves time, space and the cost of materials in public installations of the Ten Commandments by reducing the number of commandments to be included to five. The deleted commandments are:

• Thou shalt not murder.
  
• Thou shalt not steal.
  
• Thou shalt not commit adultery.
  
• Thou shalt not bear false witness against thy neighbor.
  
• Thou shalt not take the name of thy god in vain.

The legislation renames the document, "The Five Commandments," also known as "The Pentalogue," and is retroactive to the year, 1776, ensuring that no current or previous member of Congress or any administration can ever be held accountable for their actions, thus saving more money by eliminating the costs of any prosecution for violations of the former commandments.

President Bush announced that his signing statement also exempts him from personal responsiblity to adhere to the remaining five commandments.

Congress will now turn its attention to considering further legislation aimed at reducing the cost of enforcing the remaining rules by renaming the document, "The Five Suggestions."

:laugh:

 

[Stunt]

It's logical...
Murder the murders (capital punishment)
Terrorize the terrorists (war on terrorism)
Bomb those who try to make bombs (war, iran, nk)

Get with the program...:roll:

 

[Lemon law]

I will settle for thou shalt not bear false witness about the WMD's of thy neighbor.

And I think we are forgetting a few thy shall not covets.

Or that other bit of folk wisdom---be carefull of what you wish for---because you might get it.

Or fools rush in where angels fear to thread.

 

[dmw16]

Originally posted by: ProfJohn
Well as a "true Christian" you can
a. vote for Republican who support war
or
b. vote for Democrats who support abortion

Either way it looks like you are screwed huh?

I think most would rather vote for a war in defense of their beliefs and freedom over abortion.

Don't forget this war is against people who would take away their right to practice their Christian beliefs.

The abstain from voting. Make a real statement by having a rising number of people not vote. Or write in a candidate who follows your true beliefs. Throwing your hands up and choosing the lesser of two evils still results in evil being in power. I vote democart, but they don't contradict my religious beliefs.

 

[BDawg]

Originally posted by: ProfJohn
Well as a "true Christian" you can
a. vote for Republican who support war
or
b. vote for Democrats who support abortion

Either way it looks like you are screwed huh?

I think most would rather vote for a war in defense of their beliefs and freedom over abortion.

Don't forget this war is against people who would take away their right to practice their Christian beliefs.

So a true Christian has to be against abortion and force government to agree with him? Thanks for telling my beliefs. Now, go screw.

 

[Stunt]

Originally posted by: dmw16

Originally posted by: ProfJohn
Well as a "true Christian" you can
a. vote for Republican who support war
or
b. vote for Democrats who support abortion

Either way it looks like you are screwed huh?

I think most would rather vote for a war in defense of their beliefs and freedom over abortion.

Don't forget this war is against people who would take away their right to practice their Christian beliefs.

The abstain from voting. Make a real statement by having a rising number of people not vote. Or write in a candidate who follows your true beliefs. Throwing your hands up and choosing the lesser of two evils still results in evil being in power. I vote democart, but they don't contradict my religious beliefs.

You think religion is getting stronger in the US?
I think most people these days vote for the lessor of two evils, so that's not a reasonable comment to make in today's democracy.

 

[Fern]

Originally posted by: dmw16
I just want to know how you reconcile this.

With some common sense.

Most Christians didn't think it was a sin for the police to shoot (& kill) the shooters at Columbine.

Whereas, it was a sin for the shooters to murder innocent students.

Like said above, it's about murder, not killing.

Your car could hydro plane on a wet highway, causing to you to careen into oncoming traffic. Someone could be killed in the accident. But most wouldn't see that as a "sin" etc.

Fern

 

[ProfJohn]

Originally posted by: BDawg
So a true Christian has to be against abortion and force government to agree with him? Thanks for telling my beliefs. Now, go screw.

Nice attack, I am not telling you how to believe at all.
I am responding to a rather over the top OP by pointing out that neither side follows the strictest wording of "thou shall not kill"

Believe what ever you wish, that is what the first amendment is for.

 

[BDawg]

Originally posted by: ProfJohn

Originally posted by: BDawg
So a true Christian has to be against abortion and force government to agree with him? Thanks for telling my beliefs. Now, go screw.

Nice attack, I am not telling you how to believe at all.
I am responding to a rather over the top OP by pointing out that neither side follows the strictest wording of "thou shall not kill"

Believe what ever you wish, that is what the first amendment is for.

Hardly an attack.

Some Christians don't equate a mass of cells to a human. Some Christians are able to distinguish a freedom to do something from government forcing them to do something.

I'm able to have my own beliefs. I take issue with you deciding that people with beliefs you don't follow are not "true Christians."

 

[ProfJohn]

Originally posted by: Harvey
And in other news, Congress passed new legislation that should save taxpayers millions of dollars. The bill saves time, space and the cost of materials in public installations of the Ten Commandments by reducing the number of commandments to be included to five...

Meanwhile 167 Democrats in the house voted against preventing the Federal courts from ruling the phrase "under God" is unconstitutional.

Despite the fact that polls show 91% of Americans want the phrase left in the Pledge of Allegiance.

During the debate Pelosi committed a cardinal sin and actually used the word God in a public setting:
?We are making an all-out assault on the Constitution of the United States which, thank God, will fail,?


Now as a Christian, who would you rather support?
The Party who supports a war?
Or
The Party that thinks children reciting the phrase ?under God? is threat to our national wellbeing?

 

[dmw16]

Originally posted by: Fern

Originally posted by: dmw16
I just want to know how you reconcile this.

With some common sense.

Most Christians didn't think it was a sin for the police to shoot (& kill) the shooters at Columbine.

Whereas, it was a sin for the shooters to murder innocent students.

Like said above, it's about murder, not killing.

Your car could hydro plane on a wet highway, causing to you to careen into oncoming traffic. Someone could be killed in the accident. But most wouldn't see that as a "sin" etc.

Fern

So I guess it is easy if you think the war is justifiable? And that we made the right choice in invading Iraq?

 

[dahunan]

Why even try.. Christians supported slavery that led to the deaths of millions of african americans

 

[dahunan]

I find it funny that people can decide to kill 50,000 plus citizens in a country and just put a giant label on it called WAR

OH.. another funny thing.. THEY OMIT the PRE-EMPTIVE part

 

[Pabster]

Originally posted by: ProfJohn
I think most would rather vote for a war in defense of their beliefs and freedom over abortion.

Don't forget this war is against people who would take away their right to practice their Christian beliefs.

:thumbsup:

 

[ProfJohn]

Originally posted by: BDawg
Hardly an attack.

Some Christians don't equate a mass of cells to a human. Some Christians are able to distinguish a freedom to do something from government forcing them to do something.

I'm able to have my own beliefs. I take issue with you deciding that people with beliefs you don't follow are not "true Christians."

Dude, what is your problem?

The term "true Christian" came from the OP, and without quotes. I put it in quote to illustrate that I was following the OP.

I would never call anyone a "true" or not true Christian, that is not my right. You believe whatever you want to believe, I don't really care.
But stop attacking me for using the phrase, while ignoring the OP and its " how can a True Christian vote for anyone who supports a war?" <-- That is the attack on any Christian who votes to support the war by claiming they are not a "true" Christian if they did such a thing.

And notice I said " think most would " most, as in not all of them. I never made a claim that if you support Abortion you are not a Christian.

 

[Canun]

Originally posted by: dahunan
I find it funny that people can decide to kill 50,000 plus citizens in a country and just put a giant label on it called WAR

OH.. another funny thing.. THEY OMIT the PRE-EMPTIVE part

While true, technically an open state of war existed between the United States and Iraq prior to the invasion. There was a signed ceasefire at the end of Desert Storm. It is not a peace treaty, and fragile. The first time AA guns opened fire on U.S. aircraft, the document was void.

I'm not getting into whether the war was wrong or right, just stating that a state of war already existed.

 

[43st]

Originally posted by: Stunt
It's logical...
Murder the murders (capital punishment)
Terrorize the terrorists (war on terrorism)
Bomb those who try to make bombs (war, iran, nk)

Get with the program...:roll:

How clever.. now you are a murderer and terrorist for someone else to label. May god save your soul.

 

[ProfJohn]

Originally posted by: Canun

Originally posted by: dahunan
I find it funny that people can decide to kill 50,000 plus citizens in a country and just put a giant label on it called WAR

OH.. another funny thing.. THEY OMIT the PRE-EMPTIVE part

While true, technically an open state of war existed between the United States and Iraq prior to the invasion. There was a signed ceasefire at the end of Desert Storm. It is not a peace treaty, and fragile. The first time AA guns opened fire on U.S. aircraft, the document was void.

I'm not getting into whether the war was wrong or right, just stating that a state of war already existed.

Dude, you should know better than to let facts get involved in any debate on the war.

 

[dmw16]

I shouldnt have used the phrase "true christian" as that implies too many things. I probably should I made said something to the effect of a person who follows the rules as established in the bible.