Republican voters don’t care about Trump’s corruption — and here’s why

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Republicans have convinced themselves that Democrats are dirty, so they feel entitled to be even dirtier

Amanda Marcotte
October 12, 2018 7:05pm (UTC)


The past couple of weeks of the news have served up a hefty reminder not just of the deep corruption of Donald Trump, but of the entire Republican Party. On top of the headline-dominating story about Republicans ignoring all sorts of ethical concerns to place Brett Kavanaugh on the Supreme Court, there was also a blockbuster New York Times report showing that Trump amassed his massive fortune not through hard work or business acumen, but old-fashioned tax fraud and corruption. Meanwhile, there's a pileup of stories indicating that Republicans intend to shore up their prospects in the November midterms through blatant and racist cheating, using a series of Jim Crow-style strategies to keep black and Native American voters from the polls in November.

To add to this already disturbing situation, there's the shady behavior Trump is displaying around the disappearance and likely murder of Jamal Khashoggi, a Washington Post columnist who has run afoul of Mohammed bin Salman, the crown prince of Saudi Arabia and big buddy of presidential son-in-law Jared Kushner. Saudi Arabia is widely believed to be behind the attack, but Trump — who himself is overtly hostile to the free pressseems reluctant to do anything about the situation, citing his unwillingness to spike an arms deal with Saudi Arabia. It's a stance made even more disturbing by the fact that arms deal isn't even real, but more like a fantasy unlikely to come to fruition. There is also reason to believe that Trump is personally enriching himself off the Saudi government, which likely factors into his decision-making.

Despite all this, in a story that's become all too predictable, Trump's approval ratings don't budge, lingering a few percentage points north or south of 40 percent. He's not popular and never has been, but it's clear that the 40 percent of voters who love him really do not care if he's a crook. And despite the GOP's widespread corruption, FiveThirtyEight still gives the party a four-in-five chance of holding a Senate majority in the midterm elections.

It's easy to chalk off this widespread indifference to criminality and corruption among Republican voters as evidence that such voters are themselves amoral. But that reading is overly simplistic. It's highly unlikely that 40 percent of the country thinks it's no big deal to cheat or steal or lie under oath or shrug off a murder likely ordered by your son-in-law's friend. Nor is it satisfying to simply blame partisanship. Democratic voters are also highly partisan, but don't seem to have nearly the same tolerance for immoral behavior being conducted in their name.

Instead, the likeliest reason for this willingness of Republican voters to indulge all sorts of wicked behavior in pursuit of power is that they've convinced themselves that the "other side" does it just as much. It's an attitude called "what-about-ism," and it allows Republican voters to tell themselves that their side can be as shady and corrupt as they want to be, because Democrats do it, too.

Of course, the fly in that particular ointment is that Democrats do not, in fact, do it too. Barack Obama did not put an accused sexual predator on the Supreme Court after that person repeatedly lied under oath, nor did he shrug it off when an American journalist was killed because he happened to be fond of the alleged murderer. Democrats are not trying to steal elections through widespread cheating. Hillary Clinton was no tax fraud and was able to prove it by releasing her tax returns, something Trump continues to refuse to do.

This disparity, I think, points to one reason why conspiracy theories tend to proliferate more on the right than the left. In the absence of real corruption and crime among Democrats or leftists, conservatives instead rely on conspiracy theories to justify their continued belief that Democrats are just as corrupt as Republicans, if not more so.

If one believes, for instance, that Obama faked his birth certificate to evade citizenship requirements to be in the Oval Office — as a solid majority of Republicans suspect — then the fact that Trump is a tax fraud doesn't seem so unusual or objectionable. If one buys into the theory that the Clintons had former White House lawyer Vince Foster murdered back in the 1990s, then Trump's shady attitude about the murder of Khashoggi pales in comparison. And while it's basically impossible to follow what, exactly, Republicans are getting at with their Benghazi obsession, they've using that fake conspiracy theory to minimize real concerns about Trump's possible role in Russia's criminal interference with the U.S. election.

No wonder Trump continually leads his rallies with chants of "lock her up," in reference to the many Clinton crimes alleged by conspiracy theorists that do not exist in real life. The more the crowds insist that Clinton is a criminal, the easier it is for them to justify voting for Trump, who has admitted to sexual assault on tape, has committed what the New York Times deemed tax fraud, and may be implicated in the Russian interference in our election.

The conspiracy theory defense was on display during the Kavanaugh confirmation hearings. Kavanaugh, after all, was accused of a very serious crime — attempted rape — and lying under oath to cover it up. Rather than deal with that, however, conservatives turned to finger-pointing, starting with Kavanaugh himself — in a written statement that can't be written off as heated language under pressure — claiming that the sexual assault accusations from multiple women were some kind of plot to get "revenge on behalf of the Clintons."


Kavanaugh then used this alleged plot, which almost certainly doesn't exist, to imply that he and other conservatives were entitled to do all sorts of unethical things in response, saying the "whole country will reap the whirlwind."

Donald Trump was right when he gave that infamous speech declaring that he could "shoot somebody" in broad daylight without losing voters. In the right-wing imagination, Democrats do evil things, even commit murder, on a regular basis and get away with it. So too many conservatives have convinced themselves that it's only fair to let Trump get away with similar things, even though the bad things he's doing are all too real and not from the realm of fevered conspiracy theory.



Pretty much on point with the both sides defense.. sums up the last 2 years here in P&N.. no matter how much proof we show.. they just don't fucking care.
 

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> Democratic voters are also highly partisan, but don't seem to have nearly the same tolerance for immoral behavior being conducted in their name.

selective memory at it's finest

> Barack Obama did not put an accused sexual predator on the Supreme Court after that person repeatedly lied under oath

Bill Clinton was an accused sexual predator that repeatedly lied under oath
 

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> Barack Obama did not put an accused sexual predator on the Supreme Court after that person repeatedly lied under oath

Bill Clinton was an accused sexual predator that repeatedly lied under oath
And the GOP voted for impeachment and he was disbarred.

Also, I think he lied once under oath, that I am aware of.
 
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tynopik

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Great, let’s impeach and disbar Kavanaugh. We can call it the Clinton Rule. Fair?

the entire article was about the moral superiority of democratic voters and how they don't put up with corruption and foul deeds

which is laughably false

when it's 'your guy', democrats have a long and proud tradition of overlooking 'flaws'
 

Jhhnn

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> Democratic voters are also highly partisan, but don't seem to have nearly the same tolerance for immoral behavior being conducted in their name.

selective memory at it's finest

> Barack Obama did not put an accused sexual predator on the Supreme Court after that person repeatedly lied under oath

Bill Clinton was an accused sexual predator that repeatedly lied under oath

Don't forget that whole pizza parlor thing...
 

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the entire article was about the moral superiority of democratic voters and how they don't put up with corruption and foul deeds

which is laughably false

when it's 'your guy', democrats have a long and proud tradition of overlooking 'flaws'
Long and proud meaning how many and how far back do you have to go? All the way back to when Democrats were conservatives?
 

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the entire article was about the moral superiority of democratic voters and how they don't put up with corruption and foul deeds

which is laughably false

when it's 'your guy', democrats have a long and proud tradition of overlooking 'flaws'

Attempting to compare Trump’s corruption with any other prior president is laughable nonsense.

As I’m sure you well know the corruption here is off all charts of anything people have ever accepted in US history. It’s not even close.
 
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And the GOP voted for impeachment and he was disbarred.

Also, I think he lied once under oath, that I am aware of.
One count of perjury and one count of obstruction of justice. Not one Democrat Senator found him guilty. Not one. Some of those Senators are still in the Senate.
 

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I have no doubt the republicans are responsible for passing The Purge.


(kidding, both sides have corrupt asshats - usually it pops up when they have the majority).
 

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One count of perjury and one count of obstruction of justice. Not one Democrat Senator found him guilty. Not one. Some of those Senators are still in the Senate.

So what? Several GOP Senators also voted not guilty. Lying about sex in a deposition later ruled to be inadmissible was found to be insufficient cause for removal from office.
 

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So what? Several GOP Senators also voted not guilty. Lying about sex in a deposition later ruled to be inadmissible was found to be insufficient cause for removal from office.
Susan Collins of Maine was one of those Republican Senators, and we see the consistent standard by which partisans evaluate her judgement of sufficient cause.

Do you have front row tickets and backstage passes to the Live Nation tour? Be honest.
 

Jhhnn

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Susan Collins of Maine was one of those Republican Senators, and we see the consistent standard by which partisans evaluate her judgement of sufficient cause.

Do you have front row tickets and backstage passes to the Live Nation tour? Be honest.

Obfuscate away. Comparing that episode to the incredible corruption unfolding in the Trump admin is utterly dishonest.
 

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> Democratic voters are also highly partisan, but don't seem to have nearly the same tolerance for immoral behavior being conducted in their name.

selective memory at it's finest

> Barack Obama did not put an accused sexual predator on the Supreme Court after that person repeatedly lied under oath

Bill Clinton was an accused sexual predator that repeatedly lied under oath
Clinton was never convicted of crime but he was impeached and disbarred.

Are you suggesting that we treat Kavanaugh the same way?
 

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Clinton was never convicted of crime but he was impeached and disbarred.

Are you suggesting that we treat Kavanaugh the same way?

let me ask a very simple question that gets to the root of Democratic hypocrisy on this:

should Clinton being an accused sexual predator that repeatedly lied under oath have disqualified him from being President?
 

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let me ask a very simple question that gets to the root of Democratic hypocrisy on this:

should Clinton being an accused sexual predator that repeatedly lied under oath have disqualified him from being President?
No, because he was God's choice to be President and had a sacred task to perform for our Christian Nation.
 

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let me ask a very simple question that gets to the root of Democratic hypocrisy on this:

should Clinton being an accused sexual predator that repeatedly lied under oath have disqualified him from being President?
If he was acquitted after a thorough investigation and before election season sure. If not he shouldn’t have been the candidate.

Now let’s get to the republican hypocrisy. Clinton was 25 years ago. In the last two years the democrats have removed a popular senator for what was borderline inappropriate behavior.

Republicans on the other hand have elected self confessed sexaul assaulters, tried to elect pedophiles, and confirmed credibly accused sexual assaulters while limiting the investigation into the accusations.
 

Jhhnn

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let me ask a very simple question that gets to the root of Democratic hypocrisy on this:

should Clinton being an accused sexual predator that repeatedly lied under oath have disqualified him from being President?

He lied under oath once after becoming president. He has not been shown to have lied under oath prior to election.
 

tynopik

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He lied under oath once after becoming president. He has not been shown to have lied under oath prior to election.

that wasn't the question

your avoidance of it says all that needs to be said