Republican Tactics during the Clinton era still alive and well

Bumrush99

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Wow, amazing that the Republicans haven't missed a beat when it comes to throwing mud at their opponents. The attacks against Kerry and his military record are very similiar to what they did during the Clinton adminstration, stooping as low as possible to undermine and damage their oppenents through any means, even if it is a done by an adminstration full of draft dodgers that would never serve and fight for their country. They recruit right wing fanatics, endorse them and parade them all over TV.

It is amazing that their supporters can't see through this endless cycle of political attacks that have been perfected by the Republican PR machine. Similiar to the attacks on Clinton by the moral majority that was led by a bunch of cheaters and other immoral Republicans like Rush who has been divorced 3 times and is/was a drug addict.
 

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Originally posted by: Bumrush99
Wow, amazing that the Republicans haven't missed a beat when it comes to throwing mud at their opponents. The attacks against Kerry and his military record are very similiar to what they did during the Clinton adminstration, stooping as low as possible to undermine and damage their oppenents through any means, even if it is a done by an adminstration full of draft dodgers that would never serve and fight for their country. They recruit right wing fanatics, endorse them and parade them all over TV.

It is amazing that their supporters can't see through this endless cycle of political attacks that have been perfected by the Republican PR machine. Similiar to the attacks on Clinton by the moral majority that was led by a bunch of cheaters and other immoral Republicans like Rush who has been divorced 3 times and is/was a drug addict.

Because lying under oath and getting BJ's in the oval office is something that ANY respectable President would do! Hopefully Kerry will lie even more than Clinton, have more affairs, and get more sex in the whitehouse.. THAT would make him a truly GREAT President.
 

Genx87

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Why do liberals act like this has never been done before? The last 4 years have been a non-stop attack on Bush. Now some mud is thrown your way and you cant handle it?
 

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Originally posted by: Crimson
Originally posted by: Bumrush99
Wow, amazing that the Republicans haven't missed a beat when it comes to throwing mud at their opponents. The attacks against Kerry and his military record are very similiar to what they did during the Clinton adminstration, stooping as low as possible to undermine and damage their oppenents through any means, even if it is a done by an adminstration full of draft dodgers that would never serve and fight for their country. They recruit right wing fanatics, endorse them and parade them all over TV.

It is amazing that their supporters can't see through this endless cycle of political attacks that have been perfected by the Republican PR machine. Similiar to the attacks on Clinton by the moral majority that was led by a bunch of cheaters and other immoral Republicans like Rush who has been divorced 3 times and is/was a drug addict.

Because lying under oath and getting BJ's in the oval office is something that ANY respectable President would do! Hopefully Kerry will lie even more than Clinton, have more affairs, and get more sex in the whitehouse.. THAT would make him a truly GREAT President.

LOL. And when I heard rumors of the Monica affair, I right then and there saw that Clinton was the best president there was :p

I don't understand why Kerry can't do a simple simple ad that says "Bush - Draft Dodger, Cheney - Draft Dodger, etc, etc". Its pretty sad that people who didn't go to Vietnam are even daring to make Kerry's service the topic of the month
 

cKGunslinger

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Originally posted by: Bumrush99
Wow, amazing that the Republicans haven't missed a beat when it comes to throwing mud at their opponents. The attacks against Kerry and his military record are very similiar to what they did during the Clinton adminstration, stooping as low as possible to undermine and damage their oppenents through any means, even if it is a done by an adminstration full of draft dodgers that would never serve and fight for their country. They recruit right wing fanatics, endorse them and parade them all over TV.

It is amazing that their supporters can't see through this endless cycle of political attacks that have been perfected by the Republican PR machine. Similiar to the attacks on Clinton by the moral majority that was led by a bunch of cheaters and other immoral Republicans like Rush who has been divorced 3 times and is/was a drug addict.

Republicans use dirty tactics to smear their opponents.
Democrats use dirty tactics to smear their opponents.

Politics as usually. Nothing to see here - move along.
 

Bumrush99

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Originally posted by: Genx87
Why do liberals act like this has never been done before? The last 4 years have been a non-stop attack on Bush. Now some mud is thrown your way and you cant handle it?

Really??? So the Enron scandal, Haliburten deals, all the other VERY questionable decisions such as the Iraq war have been used by Democrats non-stop??? BS, Republicans were all over EVERY single thing Clinton did, had a special prosecutor spend 30 million dollars to nail him on a perjury charge. Michael Moore, who has his own personal agendas is the only voice that attacks while the rest of the Democratic party pretty much stays quite. The Repulicans, on the other hand are more unified when it comes to personal attacks. Don't try to claim that Democrats use the same venom as Republicans.
 

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Each party has its prefered tactics for mud slinging and attack hounds
 

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Originally posted by: Bumrush99
Originally posted by: Genx87
Why do liberals act like this has never been done before? The last 4 years have been a non-stop attack on Bush. Now some mud is thrown your way and you cant handle it?

Really??? So the Enron scandal, Haliburten deals, all the other VERY questionable decisions such as the Iraq war have been used by Democrats non-stop??? BS, Republicans were all over EVERY single thing Clinton did, had a special prosecutor spend 30 million dollars to nail him on a perjury charge. Michael Moore, who has his own personal agendas is the only voice that attacks while the rest of the Democratic party pretty much stays quite. The Repulicans, on the other hand are more unified when it comes to personal attacks. Don't try to claim that Democrats use the same venom as Republicans.


Thats crap. The liberal trash are just as vocal as the republicans. Its all a sick game and the country is the prize.
 

Genx87

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I don't understand why Kerry can't do a simple simple ad that says "Bush - Draft Dodger, Cheney - Draft Dodger, etc, etc". Its pretty sad that people who didn't go to Vietnam are even daring to make Kerry's service the topic of the month

You really dont want to open that can of worms. They are having a hard enough time explaining things the swiftboat people are saying. If they open up the draft dodger claims. Then they will have to explain for certain how he go so many Purple Hearts in such a short amount of time. And thanks to those purple hearts got shipped back home to run for office after a 6 month duty.

Kerry did serve in vietnam and he has my respect for that. But if you think his term was like the avg joe you are wrong. Kerry would be wise to just stop using his service in vietnam as a pillar of his campaign. His service really doesnt apply much to how he will serve as a president in todays world. And it is obvious there are questions to his duty ect. For a man who will have enough problems defending his voting record and never ending waffling on issues. He doesnt need 1 more issue for people to slam him on.
 

cKGunslinger

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Originally posted by: Bumrush99
Really??? So the Enron scandal, Haliburten deals, all the other VERY questionable decisions such as the Iraq war have been used by Democrats non-stop??? BS, Republicans were all over EVERY single thing Clinton did, had a special prosecutor spend 30 million dollars to nail him on a perjury charge. Michael Moore, who has his own personal agendas is the only voice that attacks while the rest of the Democratic party pretty much stays quite. The Repulicans, on the other hand are more unified when it comes to personal attacks. Don't try to claim that Democrats use the same venom as Republicans.
No, I'm pretty sure is all based on your perspective. Based on your beliefs and affiliations, you may be seeing yourself as a 'victim' and view everything that disagrees with your point of view as an attack. Politics is a dirty game. Some individuals are more honest than others, sure, but to claim that one entire Party is more underhanded than the other is borderline absurd.
 

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Originally posted by: Genx87
Why do liberals act like this has never been done before? The last 4 years have been a non-stop attack on Bush. Now some mud is thrown your way and you cant handle it?


The thing is, the attacks on Bush aren't coming from the democrats, they're coming from lefties who hate Bush. The democrats have been very amicable for years, and don't lie to yourself about it.

While the at the same time the Rebublican party are the ones who are actually launching all kinds of attacks, like calling Max Cleland Saddam Hussein, "Go f**k yourself", lying about everything Kerry has said, his voting record, his Viet Nam record, etc.
 

Cogman

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Lets See, when a group of righties attack kerry "ITS A DIRTY REPUBLICAN ATTACK" But when Lefties attack "Well, Those are REAL democrates, those are just angry lefties." Now thats a double standard if Ive ever seen one. You talk about republicans never missing a beat, No the fact of the matter is when republicans attack, its on something people care about and it usually sticks. When democrats attack it slides off the wall (in general).

The big issue today is not about Bush being AWOL, or bush's DUI. Nope its about kerry not defending himself and instead of defending agenst the claims he attacks the people making them, avoiding them at any moment. Really though, HE made the campain Issue be that he fought in a war and bush didn't. I would bet that if bush stated that he served honorably in the Nat. Gaurd and Kerry didnt that the AWOL thing would be an Issue again.
 

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Originally posted by: thuper
Originally posted by: Genx87
Why do liberals act like this has never been done before? The last 4 years have been a non-stop attack on Bush. Now some mud is thrown your way and you cant handle it?


The thing is, the attacks on Bush aren't coming from the democrats, they're coming from lefties who hate Bush. The democrats have been very amicable for years, and don't lie to yourself about it.

While the at the same time the Rebublican party are the ones who are actually launching all kinds of attacks, like calling Max Cleland Saddam Hussein, "Go f**k yourself", lying about everything Kerry has said, his voting record, his Viet Nam record, etc.

Exactly. There's a clear distinction here. If someone feels otherwise, go ahead an make a list of things the Democratic machine has slung in the GOP's way. It's not even close.
 

Genx87

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The thing is, the attacks on Bush aren't coming from the democrats, they're coming from lefties who hate Bush. The democrats have been very amicable for years, and don't lie to yourself about it.

While the at the same time the Rebublican party are the ones who are actually launching all kinds of attacks, like calling Max Cleland Saddam Hussein, "Go f**k yourself", lying about everything Kerry has said, his voting record, his Viet Nam record, etc.

Sticking your head in the sand is nice but it doesnt really help with seeing what is going on wround you.

Having a 3rd party do your dirty work is worse than doing it yourself. It makes you look weak, timid, and not man enough to stand up for the attacks which you launch. If you think the dnc has had nothing to do with the "lefties" non-stop attacks on Bush since the day he showed up. I have some ocean front property in Arizona for sale.
 

Red Dawn

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Yeah I still remember the Republicans making themselves look like total asswipes over the Elian Gonzales situation.
 

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Originally posted by: Genx87
Why do liberals act like this has never been done before? The last 4 years have been a non-stop attack on Bush. Now some mud is thrown your way and you cant handle it?

There's been mud-throwing since the beginning of time. Anyone thinking otherwise is ignorant of history. :)
 

Bumrush99

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Originally posted by: Genx87


Sticking your head in the sand is nice but it doesnt really help with seeing what is going on wround you.

Having a 3rd party do your dirty work is worse than doing it yourself. It makes you look weak, timid, and not man enough to stand up for the attacks which you launch. If you think the dnc has had nothing to do with the "lefties" non-stop attacks on Bush since the day he showed up. I have some ocean front property in Arizona for sale.


LOL, Bullsh!t and you know it. If a Democrat had run the deficit as high, had fought a war under false pretenses, had created the Patriot Act, had a horrible economy and had destroyed 50+ year old alliances the Republicans would be fuming, calling for special prosecutors and impeachment. A lot of them had no problem publicly questioning Clinton with "wag the dog" type claims when he bombed Sudan to get Bin Laden. They had no problem talking about Whitwater, China that was missing from the WH and every claim from rape to the "murder" of his aides.

So please don't sit here and say that the Democratic Party has gone as hard after Bush.
Bush has as many "questionable" acquaintances and events, both from his past and current.
 

glenn1

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The attacks against Kerry and his military record are very similiar to what they did during the Clinton adminstration, stooping as low as possible to undermine and damage their oppenents through any means, even if it is a done by an adminstration full of draft dodgers that would never serve and fight for their country.

I don't see how this applies to Clinton, since he ran against Bush Sr. and Bob Dole, both genuine war heroes and hardly "draft dodgers." If anything, G.H.W.B. and Dole hinted at Clinton being the draft dodger, which was a valid point for them to raise even if was proved completely ineffective as in neither case was it successful, IMHO rightfully so. While you can arguably claim W. to be a "draft dodger administration" (although again IMHO it's a reach) he didn't run against Clinton, but rather Gore.
 

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Originally posted by: Cogman
Lets See, when a group of righties attack kerry "ITS A DIRTY REPUBLICAN ATTACK" But when Lefties attack "Well, Those are REAL democrates, those are just angry lefties." Now thats a double standard if Ive ever seen one. You talk about republicans never missing a beat, No the fact of the matter is when republicans attack, its on something people care about and it usually sticks. When democrats attack it slides off the wall (in general).

I wasn't talking about groups, I am talking about actual individual Republicans like Bush and Cheney. During his speech at the convention, Kerry offered to Bush that they both run optimistic campaigns, THE VERY NEXT DAY, Bush was out campaiging telling everyone he could that Kerry was going to raise their taxes. Cheney is saying Kerry said he wants a sensitive war, they claim he agreed with their tactics involving Iraq - which is completely untrue. THEIR WEBSITE has Kerry flip flop stuff EVERYWHERE, talks about how rich he is and still claims he supported a 50 cent gas tax. I go to Kerry's website and see one box on the side that is anti-bush, the rest is all hopeful and optimistic messages of Kerrys ideas and policies. Who can you say is negative?

The big issue today is not about Bush being AWOL, or bush's DUI. Nope its about kerry not defending himself and instead of defending agenst the claims he attacks the people making them, avoiding them at any moment. Really though, HE made the campain Issue be that he fought in a war and bush didn't. I would bet that if bush stated that he served honorably in the Nat. Gaurd and Kerry didnt that the AWOL thing would be an Issue again.

Kerry isn't touting that he served and Bush didn't. He hasn't made an issue of how Bush didn't serve. He decried the moveon ad attacking Bush's national guard service. Kerry is talking about his Viet Nam record because it shows his ability to lead, and ESPECIALLY to lead during tough situations.
 

Genx87

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LOL, Bullsh!t and you know it. If a Democrat had run the deficit as high, had fought a war under false pretenses, had created the Patriot Act, had a horrible economy and had destroyed 50+ year old alliances the Republicans would be fuming, calling for special prosecutors and impeachment. A lot of them had no problem publicly questioning Clinton with "wag the dog" type claims when he bombed Sudan to get Bin Laden. They had no problem talking about Whitwater, China that was missing from the WH and every claim from rape to the "murder" of his aides.

You mean Kennedy? ;)


So please don't sit here and say that the Democratic Party has gone as hard after Bush.
Bush has as many "questionable" acquaintances and events, both from his past and current.

Everybody has "questionable" acquaintances. But what does that really prove?
 

Cogman

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Originally posted by: thuper
I wasn't talking about groups, I am talking about actual individual Republicans like Bush and Cheney. During his speech at the convention, Kerry offered to Bush that they both run optimistic campaigns, THE VERY NEXT DAY, Bush was out campaiging telling everyone he could that Kerry was going to raise their taxes. Cheney is saying Kerry said he wants a sensitive war, they claim he agreed with their tactics involving Iraq - which is completely untrue. THEIR WEBSITE has Kerry flip flop stuff EVERYWHERE, talks about how rich he is and still claims he supported a 50 cent gas tax. I go to Kerry's website and see one box on the side that is anti-bush, the rest is all hopeful and optimistic messages of Kerrys ideas and policies. Who can you say is negative?

Kerry isn't touting that he served and Bush didn't. He hasn't made an issue of how Bush didn't serve. He decried the moveon ad attacking Bush's national guard service. Kerry is talking about his Viet Nam record because it shows his ability to lead, and ESPECIALLY to lead during tough situations.

"?Thirty years ago, official Navy reports documented my service in Vietnam and awarded me the Silver Star, the Bronze Star, and three Purple Hearts. Thirty years ago, this was the plain truth. It still is. And I still carry the shrapnel in my leg from a wound in Vietnam ... Of course, the President keeps telling people he would never question my service to our country. Instead, he watches as a Republican-funded attack group does just that. Well, if he wants to have a debate about our service in Vietnam, here is my answer: 'Bring it on.'

?I'm not going to let anyone question my commitment to defending America - then, now, or ever. And I'm not going to let anyone attack the sacrifice and courage of the men who saw battle with me. And let me make this commitment today: their lies about my record will not stop me from fighting for jobs, health care, and our security - the issues that really matter to the American people.? ? John Kerry, August 19, 2004" Ala John Kerry.com

"Today, our leadership has walked away from more than a century of American leadership in the world to embrace a new - and dangerously ineffective - American disregard for the world. They bully instead of persuade. They act alone when they could assemble a team. They confuse leadership with going it alone. They fail to understand that real leadership means standing by your principles and rallying others to join you." Johnkerry.com.

"In America, a rising tide is supposed to lift all boats. But today, Americans are working harder, earning less, and paying more for health care, college, and taxes. Corporate profits are soaring, the government keeps expanding, but the opportunities for our middle-class are shrinking." Johnkerry.com

etc... Each and every page attacking the current presidency. The first showing the "kerry is not touting" b.s. to be wrong. Im sorry but kerry is touting that he is a Veitnam Vet and hence more able to lead the country.

However, the bush page does come on pretty strong.