Republican Hearing on Contraception: No Women Allowed

[pcgeek11]

They don't have to specifically disallow people to still be rejecting diversity of opinion...they should actively seek it out. They combed the countryside and all they could find was two women who agreed with them and one person who was unqualified?

The Democrats selected a Young Female Student that was unqualified. They should choose better IMO. That was probably the best they could come up with, some poor ignorant 19 year old.

 

[cubby1223]

What makes her Most Qualified exactly?

Because she makes the best headline.

This debate is more about which party can spin the better headlines, the actual issue is largely irrelevant to the parties.

 

[JEDIYoda]

Misleading thread title is misleading.

Not at all!! He took the title directly from the quote....

 

[LumbergTech]

Because she makes the best headline.

This debate is more about which party can spin the better headlines, the actual issue is largely irrelevant to the parties.

denial

 

[cubby1223]

denial

Denial of what?

Within a week, I'll wager 99.999% of Americans who identify themselves as non-partisan will not give another thought to this whole spat.

At some point we all have to grow up and recognize reality for what it is.

 

[senseamp]

Denial of what?

Within a week, I'll wager 99.999% of Americans who identify themselves as non-partisan will not give another thought to this whole spat.

At some point we all have to grow up and recognize reality for what it is.

That's why we have political ads. To remind the 99.999% of spats they forgot.

 

[Carmen813]

That is what you are missing. It is not about contraception. It IS about the first amendment. I guess it is also an attack on Obama for his fucked up demand against the Catholic Religion and their beliefs that the first amendment protects. Birth Control is attainable to anyone that wants it regardless of where they work. They just shouldn't be able to dictate that the religious organization will have to pay for or condone it.

Your statement that birth control is attainable to anyone that wants it is simply false, if for no other reason than you have no way of proving that claim.

"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances."

Someone explain to me how this policy violates the first amendment.

The Church is absolutely free to continue spouting drivel about the evilness of contraception, this rule would do nothing to alter that. A policy which has been absolutely devastating across the world, leading to tremendous suffering and death. Governments should make decisions based on what is sound health care policy, not what will save someone's soul.

What's funny is that this would never happen if it was another religion. If Muslims were angry about this contraception business we would never hear about it.

 

[WhipperSnapper]

The Republican Party: Christian Taliban in America who want to impose Christian Sharia.

 

[Skyclad1uhm1]

IMO opinion and obviously others she was not qualified.

What makes her Most Qualified exactly?

She sure as hell would be more qualified than a bishop.

[Edited as to not offend people]

How many bishops have experience using it, or with a partner using it? The only position the Catholic Church takes is 'our religious texts don't really mention contraception but have a line about procreating like rabbits, and therefor no one is allowed to use contraception for any reason!' Not really the best point of view to start a real discussion.

 

[senseamp]

Republicans have convinced themselves that a bunch of celibate men are best qualified to make contraception decisions for women.

 

[pcgeek11]

Your statement that birth control is attainable to anyone that wants it is simply false, if for no other reason than you have no way of proving that claim.

1.) Go to a doctor, get a prescription. 2.) Go to the drugstore and get the prescription filled. What a concept. I have never seen a drugstore that didn't carry rubbers also, have you? How can you say they are not available?

"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances."

Someone explain to me how this policy violates the first amendment.

See the bolded part above. The Government cannot interfere with your religious beliefs. The Catholic Religion doesn't condone birth control or abortions.

The Church is absolutely free to continue spouting drivel about the evilness of contraception, this rule would do nothing to alter that. A policy which has been absolutely devastating across the world, leading to tremendous suffering and death. Governments should make decisions based on what is sound health care policy, not what will save someone's soul.

The government cannot do that due to the First Amendment.

What's funny is that this would never happen if it was another religion. If Muslims were angry about this contraception business we would never hear about it.

See my answers to each above.

 

[pcgeek11]

She sure as hell would be more qualified than a bishop. After all bishops don't need contraception when raping little boys, and they're not allowed to have sex otherwise anyway.

Bishops are More Qualified to discuss the religious practices of their religion.

 

[lopri]

I do not like conspiracies but it does look like Obama's triangulation strategy on "culture war" is a success. The GOP has gone back to the 50's overnight, and Romney's nomination became much more unsettling. This is not a winning battle for the GOP (contraception, really?), but it had an effect of stoking some folks (you can imagine who) to get out to vote for.. Santorum in otherwise abysmal, record-low turnout GOP primary.

I wonder if Mr. Obama has consulted with the Clintons prior to making this an issue.

 

[Double Trouble]

Bullshit misleading title, to go along with a non-issue. The title is obviously misleading because we've already established that there were women on the panel, they just didn't happen to have the same opinion as the dems would like. The democrats were allowed to pick a witness, they picked one that has no particular demonstrable area of expertise, so she was rejected as unqualified. This is just political grandstanding by the way, the media/administration trying to do damage control over the whole "forcing churches to pay for contraception" debacle.

 

[Jhhnn]

When HOR repubs go stupid, they go for the Full Monty.

They're fooling around with forces beyond their comprehension, female voters, and that's a very stupid & arrogant thing to do...

It seems highly likely that the vast majority of women like the idea that birth control will be a 100% covered service under the new law, Catholic bishops & paid right wing mouthpieces be damned.

The whole pout by Repubs is a complete flipflop, anyway-

http://www.latimes.com/health/la-na-gop-contraceptives-20120216,0,3392996.story

They were for it before they were against it....

 

[Paul98]

Any republican who think this is something other than purely a wedge issue is an idiot. Anyone stupid enough to support republicans on this are so out of touch with reality that they aren't even worth while talking to.

No one is making someone use birth control, they are giving better access to it so that those who want it will be able to get it. If you don't think others should have this access to this because it's against your religion... fuck off it's not up to you.

 

[Ausm]

I can't believe what I'm watching. A party committing political suicide. Maybe someone can explain the strategy behing the GOP alienating women.

http://www.thenation.com/node/166311

Yeah that picture is priceless...the best part of the latest Right Wing jihad is now they are going to lose the vote from women! The G.O.P. is going to soon run out of people to piss off at this rate...it's looking GREAT for the POTUS in Nov.

 

[Ausm]

Any republican who think this is something other than purely a wedge issue is an idiot. Anyone stupid enough to support republicans on this are so out of touch with reality that they aren't even worth while talking to.

No one is making someone use birth control, they are giving better access to it so that those who want it will be able to get it. If you don't think others should have this access to this because it's against your religion... fuck off it's not up to you.

That sounds like today's G.O.P.in a nutshell ...que the influx of independent voters for the Democrats.

 

[ichy]

The Democrats selected a Young Female Student that was unqualified. They should choose better IMO. That was probably the best they could come up with, some poor ignorant 19 year old.

Why the hell is any priest in any way qualified to comment on contraception?

 

[Jhhnn]

Why the hell is any priest in any way qualified to comment on contraception?

Because the underlying premise is male domination & the subjugation of women to the authority of the Church.

It's not like there will ever be a female Pope...

 

[Genx87]

I see the circle jerk is in full session today.

 

[MovingTarget]

She sure as hell would be more qualified than a bishop. After all bishops don't need contraception when raping little boys, and they're not allowed to have sex otherwise anyway.

She is more qualified because she has been in a situation where bc was medically necessary, and could not obtain it. She is living proof of the consequences of not having it available for women. And, you know..she's FEMALE! The RCC does not allow priests, bishops, cardinals, etc. to be female.

But you can take your anti-catholic tripe and spew it elsewhere. It adds nothing to the discussion.

 

[PokerGuy]

Why the hell is any priest in any way qualified to comment on contraception?

I know this is hard for some of you dopes to understand, but the issue is not contraception and whether people should use it or should have access to it. The issue is forcing religious institution to pay for something that goes against their religious beliefs.

A priest is qualified to talk about religious/church doctrine.

 

[Ausm]

I know this is hard for some of you dopes to understand, but the issue is not contraception and whether people should use it or should have access to it. The issue is forcing religious institution to pay for something that goes against their religious beliefs.

A priest is qualified to talk about religious/church doctrine.

I know this is hard for you to understand but with President Obama's latest proposal they wouldn't have to pay for it.

 

[MovingTarget]

I know this is hard for some of you dopes to understand, but the issue is not contraception and whether people should use it or should have access to it. The issue is forcing religious institution to pay for something that goes against their religious beliefs.

A priest is qualified to talk about religious/church doctrine.

1. Under the new policy, the RCC would not be forced to pay for contraceptive services. That point is moot. The fact that the bishops are still complaining that it will be made available to its non-clergy employees is the issue.

2. A priest is qualified to talk about religious/church doctrine. Nobody has said that they are unqualified. However, seeing as how this is an issue regarding women's health, it seems prudent to have actual women involved in that panel.