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FAMILY OF 4 SLAUGHTERED

By LORENA MONGELLI, JEANE MacINTOSH and TODD VENEZIA

January 15, 2005 -- BLOODBATH:Investigators remove the bodies of the Armanious family from their Jersey City home yesterday as an uncle, Ayman Garas, weeps at the scene (inset). Michael DaltonLEAP OF FAITH:Amal Garas and her husband, Hossam Armanious ? in a family photo with their daughters, Monica (left) and Sylvia ? had moved to Jersey City after fleeing religious persecution in Egypt. A family of Christians who fled persecution in Egypt ran into a bloody nightmare in Jersey City ? where the husband, wife and their two daughters were found knifed to death in their home yesterday, authorities said.

The bodies of Hossam Armanious, 46, his wife, Amal Garas, 36, and their two young daughters ? Sylvia, 15, and Monica, 8 ? were found gagged with their throats slit at 4 a.m. yesterday inside the green, two-story, wood-frame home they had moved into five years ago.

Investigators were struggling to figure out who could have slaughtered the religiously devout family ? and why.

Jersey City Police Chief Robert Troy said police are leaning toward the suspect being at least an acquaintance, after finding no sign of a break-in.

"I don't believe it was random," he said. "They probably knew their killers."

The bloody scene of horror was discovered after relatives who had not seen Armanious and his wife for days grew worried and went to police.

Garas' brother, Ayman, led cops up to the entrance of the two-family Oakland Avenue home, which the family bought in 2000 for $95,000.

He gave cops permission to break open the door, which they did. A heinous scene was revealed in which the husband, wife and two girls were found slaughtered in separate rooms, Ayman said.

Family members who had identified the loved ones' bodies said their faces were contorted in a way that indicated they put up a fierce struggle.

Police said they believe the family was killed between 36 and 46 hours before their bodies were found. The last time that anyone had seen any of them was when one of the children was spotted at school Tuesday, cops said.

"It's a terrible, terrible crime scene," Chief Troy said.

"This hearkens back to 40 years ago, 'In Cold Blood,' " said Jersey City Mayor Jerramiah Healy, referring to the 1959 slaying of four members of a Kansas family, which led to an acclaimed book and movie of the same name.

The loss left Ayman Garas stunned.

"We're a close family," he told reporters. "It's very sad, I never expected my sister was going to be killed ? and her husband and her kids."

Armanious and his wife came from Luxor, Egypt, in 1995, pals said.

Relatives said he came here looking for a good job and a good place to raise his then-only daughter.

"They took risks getting here looking for a better life," said Emile Garas, 60, an uncle of Amal.

Rafique Iscandar, 51, who described himself as Armanious' best friend, said his pal also came because of the pressure of being Christian in Muslim Egypt.

Armanious saw extremism growing in Luxor, Iscandar said, even in the days before the terrible 1997 massacre of tourists at the ancient temple there, which killed 58.

"They were afraid there," Iscandar said. "They are under siege by the government. We lived in fear."

After the family moved to the United States, Armanious got a job working in a convenience store owned by Iscandar.

But Armanious had other dreams.

With a degree from a Luxor University in hotel management, he got a job as a catering manager at a Marriott, Iscandar said.

Things started looking up for the family. They had a second daughter. Garas got a job with the U.S. Postal Service in Kearny, N.J. They bought the two-family home, which provided an opportunity for extra income from an upstairs apartment they could rent.

Iscandar said Armanious even joined with him in an effort to better the lives of his fellow Christians back in Luxor by working with a human-rights organization called the American Coptic Union.

They also were devout, churchgoing people who attended services at St. George and St. Shenouda Coptic Orthodox Church.

"This is a shock," said Father Sorial Sorial, the pastor there. "I can't understand how evil can go to that extent."

The family had recently hit hard times, however. Armanious lost his hotel job about six months ago and tried to support his family with construction work. They were also the victims of a recent burglary, which left them frightened.

"After that they were very scared," Iscandar said. "They reinforced all their doors and windows."

Police said they were pursing "three avenues" of inquiry in the case. They would not give details, but Chief Troy told The Post, "There was a family living [at the family's home] previously that is being investigated."

Troy would not say if anyone was living in the rental apartment, but he said that police did not consider any possible ten ant there a suspect.

News of the death hit the family's neighborhood in Jersey City hard.

"I feel very, very bad," said Mohammed Riaz Khan, who lives across the street from the victims. "They were a nice family."

The family members had been with their extended clan most recently on Jan. 7, which was the Coptic Christmas celebration. Michael Fahmy, a family member said the clan planned to come together again today ? for Sylvia's Sweet 16 birthday party.

"It was supposed to be a big party," he said. "We reserved a big hall. We had to cancel everything today."

Brendon Echardt, 14, was a friend to Sylvia, a popular teen who loved acting.

He said news of her death came to an acting class she took at New Jersey City University via a text message received by one of her best friends. He said the news left classmates in tears.

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Investigators were struggling to figure out who could have slaughtered the religiously devout family ? and why.

What does religion have to do with anything??? One of my best friends and her sister were stabbed over 20 times in their house in a random attack by a stranger. They were living with their parents at the time, and their father was a minister. Religion has nothing to do with it, there are just crazy people out there that randomly kill, no rhyme or reason, they just do. *boggle*
 

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Originally posted by: PrinceofWands
Investigators were struggling to figure out who could have slaughtered the religiously devout family ? and why.

What does religion have to do with anything??? One of my best friends and her sister were stabbed over 20 times in their house in a random attack by a stranger. They were living with their parents at the time, and their father was a minister. Religion has nothing to do with it, there are just crazy people out there that randomly kill, no rhyme or reason, they just do. *boggle*

They got into argument with Islamists on a website. They posted some stuff that they didnt like. That might be a motivation for the murder. Heard it on a fox radio station

apparently the Islamists said that they would kill them like "chickens". They were slaughtered like chickens. So some people can conclude that its possible it was them who did it
 

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raildogg, this is a new low for you.

It says nothing in the story you linked about any connection to Muslims.

If you want to spout your garbage about Islamist Fascists linked to these murders, provide one shred of evidence or hide in your cowardice.


One link. Let's see it.
 
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Originally posted by: raildogg
Originally posted by: PrinceofWands
Investigators were struggling to figure out who could have slaughtered the religiously devout family ? and why.

What does religion have to do with anything??? One of my best friends and her sister were stabbed over 20 times in their house in a random attack by a stranger. They were living with their parents at the time, and their father was a minister. Religion has nothing to do with it, there are just crazy people out there that randomly kill, no rhyme or reason, they just do. *boggle*

They got into argument with Islamists on a website. They posted some stuff that they didnt like. That might be a motivation for the murder. Heard it on a fox radio station

Heard it on a fox radio station

I think that pretty much explains the ENTIRE situation.
 

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Originally posted by: jpeyton
raildogg, this is a new low for you.

It says nothing in the story you linked about any connection to Muslims.

If you want to spout your garbage about Islamist Fascists linked to these murders, provide one shred of evidence or hide in your cowardice.


One link. Let's see it.

I will look it up. I understand you still wont buy in it but still. Like I said, I heard this on a news radio station as "news". Shepherd Smith of Fox was the guy who was reporting it. Thats what I heard. I believe that was him.

This only looks like garbage to you because you still can imagine how certain use religion to move forward their agenda. Its real. But it might be too late for you as you have your mind already made up.
 

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Originally posted by: PrinceofWands
Originally posted by: raildogg
Originally posted by: PrinceofWands
Investigators were struggling to figure out who could have slaughtered the religiously devout family ? and why.

What does religion have to do with anything??? One of my best friends and her sister were stabbed over 20 times in their house in a random attack by a stranger. They were living with their parents at the time, and their father was a minister. Religion has nothing to do with it, there are just crazy people out there that randomly kill, no rhyme or reason, they just do. *boggle*

They got into argument with Islamists on a website. They posted some stuff that they didnt like. That might be a motivation for the murder. Heard it on a fox radio station

Heard it on a fox radio station

I think that pretty much explains the ENTIRE situation.

MAYBE if you would follow news you would know the story about this vicious murder. I have seen this news story on the internet, heard it on radio stations.
 

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I read about this earlier today on my isp's homepage, the story is different though from what you linked to...apparently the suspected killer is a egyptian-muslim from the same neighborhood who the family knew, and had a disagreement with over some postings on the internet about religion...

edit, dont know about the total reliability of bellsouth's news, its been accurate for me as long as ive been using it and from what ive seen most if not all of it comes direct from routers.

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Originally posted by: jpeyton
raildogg, this is a new low for you.

It says nothing in the story you linked about any connection to Muslims.

If you want to spout your garbage about Islamist Fascists linked to these murders, provide one shred of evidence or hide in your cowardice.


One link. Let's see it.

Here, just for you.

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jpeyton before you spout your ignorance any further, make sure you have knowledge of the subject you speak of
 

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Originally posted by: raildogg
Heard it on a fox radio station

I'd take that with a grain of salt if I were you. It's easy to claim something, but proving it is a whole nother matter.

One can only hope they catch the people who did this.
 

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Originally posted by: raildogg
jpeyton before you spout your ignorance any further, make sure you have knowledge of the subject you speak of

With statements like "possibly a hate crime" and "might be done by Islamic Fascists", who can argue with the hard facts right :roll:
 
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Originally posted by: raildogg
Originally posted by: PrinceofWands
Originally posted by: raildogg
Originally posted by: PrinceofWands
Investigators were struggling to figure out who could have slaughtered the religiously devout family ? and why.

What does religion have to do with anything??? One of my best friends and her sister were stabbed over 20 times in their house in a random attack by a stranger. They were living with their parents at the time, and their father was a minister. Religion has nothing to do with it, there are just crazy people out there that randomly kill, no rhyme or reason, they just do. *boggle*

They got into argument with Islamists on a website. They posted some stuff that they didnt like. That might be a motivation for the murder. Heard it on a fox radio station

Heard it on a fox radio station

I think that pretty much explains the ENTIRE situation.

MAYBE if you would follow news you would know the story about this vicious murder. I have seen this news story on the internet, heard it on radio stations.

I didn't say I don't believe the story, only that I'm amazed at how often certain factions attempt to blame everything on religion, when most often it has absolutely nothing to do with anything. If this case actually ends up being religiously motivated, then so be it...but so was every murder committed by the KKK, or during the crusades...and yet these things will never be mentioned because the conservative religious right is looking to exploit what has always existed to further their own agenda without regards to truth, rationality or the benefit of this nation and it's citizens. They'll herald ANY death of a non-muslim by a muslim, but will ignore or cover up every incident of a christian killing someone else. It's hypocrisy at it's finest, and lately it's entirely the domain of RR.
 

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Originally posted by: jpeyton
Originally posted by: raildogg
jpeyton before you spout your ignorance any further, make sure you have knowledge of the subject you speak of

With statements like "possibly a hate crime" and "might be done by Islamic Fascists", who can argue with the hard facts right :roll:

have you read the NY Times story on this?
 

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Originally posted by: BBond
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Yes, but more interesting here. Though I did notice the other one mentioning the muslim aspect of the story.

I imagine jpeyton will be along any second to retract his vitriol.

 

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Originally posted by: Ozoned
Originally posted by: BBond
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Yes, but more interesting here. Though I did notice the other one mentioning the muslim aspect of the story.

I imagine jpeyton will be along any second to retract his vitriol.

LOL, im holding my breath for that to happen. BTW, where is jpeyton?

ohhhhh jpeeyytooonnnnn, where are you??? care to respond?
 

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I've only been here a few months but in that time I've noticed that when someone reposts a story they usually let members know by changing the title to "Repost" or "."

I've noticed that on other forums as well. It's common forum courtesy I'm told.

 

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Originally posted by: BBond
I've only been here a few months but in that time that when someone reposts a story they usually let members know by changing the title to "Repost" or "."

I've noticed that on other forums as well. It's common forum courtesy I'm told.

LOL done. although you might want to add the NY Times story to your piece. :)
 

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Thanks, Raildogg.

And the NY Times story is already there in the fifth post. ;)

 

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Originally posted by: BBond
I've only been here a few months but in that time I've noticed that when someone reposts a story they usually let members know by changing the title to "Repost" or "."

I've noticed that on other forums as well. It's common forum courtesy I'm told.

Quoting from your (BBond's) thread http://forums.anandtech.com/me...id=52&threadid=1492994

This story broke in yesterday's Star-Ledger. A Jersey City Coptic Christian family of four found bound with their throats cut. The original story told of veteran police officers being shaken by the scene.


I hope the mods all read this. ;)

This story has shaken the entire community and surrounding area. The initial report told of one of the girls locking herself in the bathroom in an attempt to escape these cowardly, barbaric assassins.

The police know she did because they found evidence she had been in the bathroom -- and the bathroom door bad been broken down.

FBI involvement. Good. Making terroristic threats against people is a crime under federal jurisdiction.

It seems the FBI will be taking threats made on internet chat rooms (as well as message boards and forums I would imagine) more seriously. Would that others would as well.

No matter to me. I haven't threatened anyone.

I'm certain everyone here can't say the same.

Originally posted by: BBond
Originally posted by: Infohawk
This is one reason I don't give my information out online. There are some very angry, overly-inquisitive people out there.

There are even a few right here, Infohawk. ;)

This thread topic might be a repost, but maybe this thread could have been about the story and not whatever personal problems you are having and seem to be working on with the mods. What exactly IS the problem, since you seem to want attention about it?