Report reveals number of secret FBI subpoenas - Disclosure mandated as part of Patriot Act renewal

DealMonkey

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Well, this confirms that the Patriot Act provisions, specifically the National Security Letters are being used to obtain the records of thousands of innocent Americans without any oversight or any court approval.

Great. And how many arrests of actual terrorists came as a result of this spying? My guess is NONE. I've never seen even one example. The FBI and the NSA are just trolling - picking out innocent Americans to shake down, invade their privacy and see if they can find any evidence of crimes.

Is there anyone here who actually believes any of this is either appropriate and/or constitutional?

Report reveals number of secret FBI subpoenas
Disclosure mandated as part of Patriot Act renewal

Friday, April 28, 2006; Posted: 11:12 p.m. EDT (03:12 GMT)

WASHINGTON (AP) -- The FBI secretly sought information last year on 3,501 U.S. citizens and legal residents from their banks and credit card, telephone and Internet companies without a court's approval, the Justice Department said Friday.

It was the first time the Bush administration has publicly disclosed how often it uses the administrative subpoena known as a National Security Letter, which allows the executive branch of government to obtain records about people in terrorism and espionage investigations without a judge's approval or a grand jury subpoena.


Friday's disclosure was mandated as part of the renewal of the Patriot Act, the administration's sweeping anti-terror law.

The FBI delivered a total of 9,254 NSLs relating to 3,501 people in 2005, according to a report submitted late Friday to Democratic and Republican leaders in the House and Senate. In some cases, the bureau demanded information about one person from several companies.

The numbers from previous years remain classified, officials said.

The department also reported it received a secret court's approval for 155 warrants to examine business records last year under a Patriot Act provision that includes library records. However, Attorney General Alberto Gonzales has said the department has never used the provision to ask for library records.

The number was a significant jump over past use of the warrant for business records. A year ago, Gonzales told Congress there had been 35 warrants approved between November 2003 and April 2005.

The spike is expected to be temporary, however, because the Patriot Act renewal that President Bush signed in March made it easier for authorities to obtain subscriber information on telephone numbers captured through certain wiretaps.

The Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court, the same panel that signs off on applications for business records warrants, also approved 2,072 special warrants last year for secret wiretaps and searches of suspected terrorists and spies. The record number is more than twice as many as were issued in 2000, the last full year before the terrorist attacks of September 11, 2001.

The FBI security letters have been the subject of legal battles in two federal courts because, until the Patriot Act changes, recipients were barred from telling anyone about them.

Ann Beeson, the associate legal counsel for the American Civil Liberties Union, said the report to Congress "confirms our fear all along that National Security Letters are being used to get the records of thousands of innocent Americans without court approval."

The number disclosed Friday excludes requests for subscriber information, an exception written into the law. It was unclear how many FBI letters were not counted for that reason.

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XMan

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Wow, 3,500 out of 300,000,000.

Big Brother is definitely watching you. :roll:
 

kage69

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Now that's some fantastic rational right there.

I'm curious X-man, at what number would you start being worried about our Constitution being subverted?

Do you recall when checks-and-balances suddenly didn't mean jack to you?


Maybe the rest of us just need to chill, after all, it's just a piece of paper...
 

XMan

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Originally posted by: DealMonkey
Originally posted by: X-Man
Wow, 3,500 out of 300,000,000.

Big Brother is definitely watching you. :roll:
1 out of 300M would be 1 too many, smart guy.

So you think that we shouldn't be listening to the telephone conversations of American citizens talking to the associates of terrorists or the terrorists themselves?
 

eilute

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It depends on who those 3,500 are. If it were 3,500 political critics then that could spell trouble. Think about it. Democratic senator Ted Kennedy was, for some reason, placed on the terrorist watch list (Supporting Link). It took him several weeks to get his name off the list.
 

Cooler

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Originally posted by: eilute
It depends on who those 3,500 are. If it were 3,500 political critics than that could spell trouble. Think about it. Democratic senator Ted Kennedy was, for some reason, placed on the terrorist watch list (Supporting Link). It took him several weeks to get his name off the list.

that is the wtf of the week if you ask me. So if you are a bush basher your name is on this list.
 

eilute

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...but regarding this story:

I am surprised this has not hit the news the way the NSA wiretaps did. It seems equally disturbing. Actually, because it is not "at the border" I would say that it is more disturbing than the NSA wiretaps.
 

techs

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I ABSOLUTELY DO NOT BELIEVE THESE FIGURES.
Bush made a "signing statement" when he signed the bill that mandates these figures to be reported. Bush said his understanding of the part that said he must report these figures to mean he doesn't have to report these figures.
So I believe he is outright lying about these numbers. I believe there are many thousands and thousands more of these that he hasn't reported.
 

BBond

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I read this story and posted it in another thread. When bush and his minions began their fascist express takeover people warned Americans that this type of abuse would result. Americans didn't listen. A few secret National Security Letters the first year. A few thousand this year. A few million next year.

This is how fascist dictators take over democracies, people. WTFU before it's too late. If it isn't too late already, that is.

Keep making jokes about it, X-Man. When Big Brother is rocking your world, asking your bank for your private records, your credit card company, the telephone company, your ISP, don't forget -- we told you so. ;)
 

XMan

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Originally posted by: BBond

Keep making jokes about it, X-Man. When Big Brother is rocking your world, asking your bank for your private records, your credit card company, the telephone company, your ISP, don't forget -- we told you so. ;)

I have my neocon facist card. Don't worry though, I'll send them your way. :D