REPORT: Barry Bonds received steroids from trainer

[Ranger X]

Steroids make your head bigger? WTH 😀

 

[Ranger X]

Originally posted by: Atomicus
Don't you still need skill to actually hit a ball coming towards you at 80+ mph?

I'm sure he has the skills to hit the ball since he's in the major leagues. Steroids probably helps him swing a heavier bat, swing harder for the fences, and probably helped with his bat speed.

 

[StageLeft]

Originally posted by: Atomicus
Don't you still need skill to actually hit a ball coming towards you at 80+ mph?

Irrelevant to this topic 😛

 

[TheAudit]

I am going to take steroids just so I can have a larger cranium!

Fvck you people!! Now you will have deal with my overly large skull!

 

[Vette73]

Originally posted by: Ranger X

Originally posted by: Atomicus
Don't you still need skill to actually hit a ball coming towards you at 80+ mph?

I'm sure he has the skills to hit the ball since he's in the major leagues. Steroids probably helps him swing a heavier bat, swing harder for the fences, and probably helped with his bat speed.

Correct. A lot of players hit the ball, but they pop out, ground out, etc... more.



Bonds on the juice... OLD news in my book. His records need to be removed.

 

[RudeBoie]

Originally posted by: SP33Demon
Bonds received Winstrol, according to federal testimony by Tim Montgomery, the world's fastest man.

"According to a report Thursday in the San Francisco Chronicle, Montgomery testified last year that BALCO founder Victor Conte told him Bonds switched to an undetectable steroid in 2003 when baseball introduced its drug policy."

The most intriguing thing about this is: why would somebody who doesn't even know Bonds lie on the stand in Federal Court about him? It's simple, he wouldn't. The Feds already have hard evidence that Barry received steroids at his house, and now testimony from Tim Montgomery verifies that Bond's trainer told Tim M (who was his client as well) that Barry was on "the clear" (THG). Like I said in previous threads, and said before: Your head doesn't go up 2 hat sizes at age 37, and you don't gain 20 pounds of lean muscle mass in one year at age 37. For someone who has to keep a fine tuned body as an athlete, Barry did not just all of a sudden "discover" how to put on muscle in the weight room doing new exercises after 12 years of conditioning... Statistically, Bonds, from 1987-2000, averaged a .571 SLG% for his first 12 full seasons played, and then posted: .863 in 2001, .799 in 2002, and .749 in 2003? It doesn't take a genious to figure out why he exploded all of a sudden. Short of video of Barry taking the juice, we have all the evidence we need IMHO. What do you think?

People don't know- whether they consider yourself a genius or not.
Just remember, if he's proven innocent (interesting he has to be proven innocent), will people apologize for believing that he was guilty or will they just fade away like they never made the accusation in the first place.

And as for Tim Montgomery, let's believe the word of a proven cheater over someone you think is cheating.

 

[jman19]

Originally posted by: RudeBoie

Originally posted by: SP33Demon
Bonds received Winstrol, according to federal testimony by Tim Montgomery, the world's fastest man.

"According to a report Thursday in the San Francisco Chronicle, Montgomery testified last year that BALCO founder Victor Conte told him Bonds switched to an undetectable steroid in 2003 when baseball introduced its drug policy."

The most intriguing thing about this is: why would somebody who doesn't even know Bonds lie on the stand in Federal Court about him? It's simple, he wouldn't. The Feds already have hard evidence that Barry received steroids at his house, and now testimony from Tim Montgomery verifies that Bond's trainer told Tim M (who was his client as well) that Barry was on "the clear" (THG). Like I said in previous threads, and said before: Your head doesn't go up 2 hat sizes at age 37, and you don't gain 20 pounds of lean muscle mass in one year at age 37. For someone who has to keep a fine tuned body as an athlete, Barry did not just all of a sudden "discover" how to put on muscle in the weight room doing new exercises after 12 years of conditioning... Statistically, Bonds, from 1987-2000, averaged a .571 SLG% for his first 12 full seasons played, and then posted: .863 in 2001, .799 in 2002, and .749 in 2003? It doesn't take a genious to figure out why he exploded all of a sudden. Short of video of Barry taking the juice, we have all the evidence we need IMHO. What do you think?

People don't know- whether they consider yourself a genius or not.
Just remember, if he's proven innocent (interesting he has to be proven innocent), will people apologize for believing that he was guilty or will they just fade away like they never made the accusation in the first place.

And as for Tim Montgomery, let's believe the word of a proven cheater over someone you think is cheating.

There are a lot of signs pointing towards Bonds using roids and like Speed said, there really isn't any reason for Montgomery to lie. So yes, I will believe the word of a "proven cheater." Sorry, that isn't really reason enough not to believe him.

 

[jman19]

Originally posted by: Grimbones
Alright i'm a SF Giants fan, first of all, If and if he didn't is one thing, but name one hitter with a better eye than him? None. The guy knows the strike zone so well. Anyway, after saying that i also want to conclude with i don't really watch the SF giants games anymore because the team SUCKS except for Bonds, and Bonds is walked every at bat? What the hell am i watching it for again? Oh right, thanks commercials.

There's no doubt that he has the best eyes in the game, but no one is questioning his ability to see the ball well. The fact of the matter is that many people are sick of hearing about how great Bonds is when it looks like he's a cheater.

 

[DrPizza]

No asterisk... just remove his records. I'm sick of seeing this level of cheating being allowed in professional sports, and the effect it has on teenagers who feel a need to do the same thing to compete at their level.

 

[BCYL]

If Bonds is proven to be using steroids, I think his record should be removed completely...

 

[SP33Demon]

Originally posted by: BCYL
If Bonds is proven to be using steroids, I think his record should be removed completely...

I don't agree with this, because the Feds should be able to pinpoint around the exact time he used them. Before using them, he was a pretty good player and should be remembered as a good base stealing, great defensive and good hitting outfielder prior to his behemoth, homerun mashing roided up days which we are now seeing.

 

[masterxfob]

just imagine how good david eckstein of the angels would be if he juiced. that guy has a great eye and most of the time flys out.

 

[KoolAidKid]

Originally posted by: classy
"First of all, I would like to let the world know that I have never given anabolic steroids or any other performance enhancing drugs to Barry Bonds. In fact, I have never even had a discussion about anabolic steroids with Barry Bonds. And that is the truth.

Even if true, this statement is misleading. A more definite statement would be that Barry Bonds never received steroids from Conte, directly or indirectly. If Conte gave the drugs to an intermediary who then gave them to Bonds, Conte's statement above would still be true.

 

[ky2pip]

Kinda old, but a good article regarding the issue of Bonds and steroids

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RIP Ralph

 

[blakeatwork]

Originally posted by: SP33Demon

Originally posted by: BCYL
If Bonds is proven to be using steroids, I think his record should be removed completely...

I don't agree with this, because the Feds should be able to pinpoint around the exact time he used them. Before using them, he was a pretty good player and should be remembered as a good base stealing, great defensive and good hitting outfielder prior to his behemoth, homerun mashing roided up days which we are now seeing.

I'll agree with 9/10 of your statement, but some recognition, if it's proven to be true, of his use of banned substances should be made, whether it be removal of the records entirely, or simply reverting back to Mcgwire, or even Sosa's, record for HR's

 

[DougK62]

Bonds is the biggest loser in baseball. He should be banned from the sport and all of his records permanently removed. He's a disgrace.

 

[Ilmater]

Originally posted by: Ranger X
Steroids make your head bigger? WTH 😀

Originally posted by: TheAudit
I am going to take steroids just so I can have a larger cranium!

Fvck you people!! Now you will have deal with my overly large skull!

HGH makes your bones bigger to handle the muscles the roids build. READ THE ARTICLES PEOPLE>

Oh, and for reference, I've always thought my head was a little big for my body at 8 3/4", and I'm 6'9" and weigh 330lbs.

That is one gigantic head.

 

[Ilmater]

Originally posted by: Atomicus
Don't you still need skill to actually hit a ball coming towards you at 80+ mph?

Nobody argues that the guy was skillful, but using steroids to turn a hall-of-fame player into a record-breaking player is still wrong.

 

[Fingolfin269]

Originally posted by: blakeatwork

Originally posted by: SP33Demon

Originally posted by: BCYL
If Bonds is proven to be using steroids, I think his record should be removed completely...

I don't agree with this, because the Feds should be able to pinpoint around the exact time he used them. Before using them, he was a pretty good player and should be remembered as a good base stealing, great defensive and good hitting outfielder prior to his behemoth, homerun mashing roided up days which we are now seeing.

I'll agree with 9/10 of your statement, but some recognition, if it's proven to be true, of his use of banned substances should be made, whether it be removal of the records entirely, or simply reverting back to Mcgwire, or even Sosa's, record for HR's

Why? The substance McGwire was using was banned... and anyone who thinks Sammy doesn't/hasn't juiced in the past is kidding themselves.

I still think if Barry Bonds was a liked guy then people wouldn't be screaming 'cheater/remove records/etc.' It doesn't matter though. His records will stand in this day when I'd say the majority of productive baseball players are juicing in some form or another, either today or in the recent past.

 

[Fingolfin269]

Originally posted by: Ilmater

Originally posted by: Atomicus
Don't you still need skill to actually hit a ball coming towards you at 80+ mph?

Nobody argues that the guy was skillful, but using steroids to turn a hall-of-fame player into a record-breaking player is still wrong.

He was already a record breaking player.

 

[Ilmater]

Originally posted by: KoolAidKid

Originally posted by: classy
"First of all, I would like to let the world know that I have never given anabolic steroids or any other performance enhancing drugs to Barry Bonds. In fact, I have never even had a discussion about anabolic steroids with Barry Bonds. And that is the truth.

Even if true, this statement is misleading. A more definite statement would be that Barry Bonds never received steroids from Conte, directly or indirectly. If Conte gave the drugs to an intermediary who then gave them to Bonds, Conte's statement above would still be true.

Yeah, I thought about that as well. Don't think for a minute that he wouldn't say that specifically to avoid prosecution.

 

[jman19]

Originally posted by: Fingolfin269

Originally posted by: Ilmater

Originally posted by: Atomicus
Don't you still need skill to actually hit a ball coming towards you at 80+ mph?

Nobody argues that the guy was skillful, but using steroids to turn a hall-of-fame player into a record-breaking player is still wrong.

He was already a record breaking player.

Yeah, but he never bashed the ball like he does know until he "mysteriously" put on all of that muscle. It looks like he felt his star wasn't bright enough and decided to tarnish the game by juicing.

 

[blakeatwork]

Originally posted by: Fingolfin269

Originally posted by: blakeatwork

Originally posted by: SP33Demon

Originally posted by: BCYL
If Bonds is proven to be using steroids, I think his record should be removed completely...

I don't agree with this, because the Feds should be able to pinpoint around the exact time he used them. Before using them, he was a pretty good player and should be remembered as a good base stealing, great defensive and good hitting outfielder prior to his behemoth, homerun mashing roided up days which we are now seeing.

I'll agree with 9/10 of your statement, but some recognition, if it's proven to be true, of his use of banned substances should be made, whether it be removal of the records entirely, or simply reverting back to Mcgwire, or even Sosa's, record for HR's

Why? The substance McGwire was using was banned... and anyone who thinks Sammy doesn't/hasn't juiced in the past is kidding themselves.

I still think if Barry Bonds was a liked guy then people wouldn't be screaming 'cheater/remove records/etc.' It doesn't matter though. His records will stand in this day when I'd say the majority of productive baseball players are juicing in some form or another, either today or in the recent past.

Was it banned at the time?? That's why I asked, as I'm not terribly sure. I seem to recall it only being banned last year, after the Orioles pitcher had the heart attack, unless it was ephedrine I'm confusing it with... (my memory is very sporadic today... 😛)

If it was illegal, then yes, I would agree that erasing McGwire's mark as the record would be applicable as well, same goes for Sosa..

 

[jman19]

Originally posted by: blakeatwork

Originally posted by: Fingolfin269

Originally posted by: blakeatwork

Originally posted by: SP33Demon

Originally posted by: BCYL
If Bonds is proven to be using steroids, I think his record should be removed completely...

I don't agree with this, because the Feds should be able to pinpoint around the exact time he used them. Before using them, he was a pretty good player and should be remembered as a good base stealing, great defensive and good hitting outfielder prior to his behemoth, homerun mashing roided up days which we are now seeing.

I'll agree with 9/10 of your statement, but some recognition, if it's proven to be true, of his use of banned substances should be made, whether it be removal of the records entirely, or simply reverting back to Mcgwire, or even Sosa's, record for HR's

Why? The substance McGwire was using was banned... and anyone who thinks Sammy doesn't/hasn't juiced in the past is kidding themselves.

I still think if Barry Bonds was a liked guy then people wouldn't be screaming 'cheater/remove records/etc.' It doesn't matter though. His records will stand in this day when I'd say the majority of productive baseball players are juicing in some form or another, either today or in the recent past.

Was it banned at the time?? That's why I asked, as I'm not terribly sure. I seem to recall it only being banned last year, after the Orioles pitcher had the heart attack, unless it was ephedrine I'm confusing it with... (my memory is very sporadic today... 😛)

If it was illegal, then yes, I would agree that erasing McGwire's mark as the record would be applicable as well, same goes for Sosa..

Andro was NOT illegal at the time.