Report: A-Rod willing to play third base?

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NEW YORK -- The Yankees are said to be in serious discussions with the Rangers to acquire Alex Rodriguez and move him to third base, where he'd play alongside shortstop Derek Jeter.


Newsday, the 600,000-plus circulation newspaper on suburban Long Island, N.Y., reported in its Saturday editions that A-Rod is desperate to get out of Texas and would be willing to switch positions to get to New York.


A source close to the conversations told ESPN Saturday morning that talks are in the early stages but that it's a "longshot" the deal will ever be completed because of "many hurdles" that stand in the way.


The New York Post, which is usually leading the way when sensational stories pop up, reported Saturday only that the Yankees have asked the Rangers about such a trade, in which Alfonso Soriano would leave New York.


On Saturday afternoon, The Associated Press reported that the Yanks and Rangers had started preliminary discussions Wednesday night, according to a high-ranking baseball official, and that it's still too early to tell whether they will lead to a deal. Rodriguez has a no-trade clause but has said he would be amenable to a deal to the Yankees, the official said.


Soriano, 25, is signed only through 2004, for $5.4 million. He can't be a free agent until after the 2006 season. The 28-year-old Rodriguez is owed $189 million over the next seven years, although he can opt out after 2007. Thus, the Yankees would take on an extra $183.6 million guaranteed if the deal is consummated.


However, according to Newsday's source, the Rangers would be willing to foot some of that bill. The American League source also told Newsday that the two clubs talked late into Friday night about the trade.


Yankees general manager Brian Cashman admitted to the Post on Friday that he has approached the Rangers about a deal, but was initially turned down.


"There are many times I float weather balloons to my counterparts," Cashman told the Post. "I won't comment on trade rumors, but it should come as no surprise that I am constantly floating weather balloons to my counterparts. Ninety-nine [percent] of them get popped and fall to the ground."


The Post also reported that the Yankees would likely have to give up Jose Contreras as well as minor-league catcher Dioner Navarro in such a trade.


The Red Sox and Rangers talked extensively this winter about a deal involving A-Rod, but could not get it done, thanks to A-Rod's contract. The two teams did agree to a trade in December, but the union refused to approve it, declaring that A-Rod was setting an unacceptable precedent by diminishing his contract's value.


Rangers owner Tom Hicks then announced that Rodriguez would stay with the Rangers, and last month the team named A-Rod its captain.


The Yankees recently lost third baseman Aaron Boone to what likely is a season-ending knee injury. The trade would create a void at second base for the Yankees. Enrique Wilson and Miguel Cairo would have to share the duties.


Rodriguez, who has 345 career homers, is coming off an MVP season in which he hit .298 with 47 homers and 118 RBI.


Frankly I don't believe it... Newsday and New York Post aren't reliable at all... Also I dont see them getting the money to match up even if the Rangers take some of the dough...

I'd wish the Yankees stop signing these trouble-makers like Gary "I want more money" Sheffield, Kenny "The Cancer" Lofton, and Kevin "DL" Brown. They need some character guys instead of these morons.

 

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Originally posted by: coldcut
Yeah right, and Red Sox are also going to sign Greg Maddux.

Figures you should be the first respondent... :p Who is Maddux going to anyways? The Dodgers?
 

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It's a longshot, but reporters need to write something. Why it's possible:

1) A-rod desperately wants out of Texas
2) Given all the bad blood on both sides of the Texas/Boston deal A-rod almost HAS to leave Texas
3) The Yankees are one of the few teams that could afford him.
4) Steinbrenner will do almost anything to win. Anything that screws Boston is twice as good.
5) Boone is a bust, Henson is gone and the Yanks need a 3rd baseman.

Why I don't think it'll happen:

1) Even for the Yankees, that's a HUGE amount of money.
2) Pitching is a bigger need.
3) Once you have A-rod, it's almost impossible to move him again if it doesn't work out.

Even if it does happen, I think the Yanks would move Jeter to 3rd and make A-rod the shortstop. A-rod has more range and a better arm. He can make plays from the hole that Jeter can't even get to. Jeter is a stand-up, team-first guy, if Torre asked him to move he would.
 
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It doesn't make sense to let Jeter stay at SS and move AROD to 3B. AROD is a gold glove SS...Jeter is statistically one of the worst defensive SS out there.
 

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Originally posted by: RabidMongoose
It doesn't make sense to let Jeter stay at SS and move AROD to 3B. AROD is a gold glove SS...Jeter is statistically one of the worst defensive SS out there.

haha.. do you seriously think that?
 

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Originally posted by: cmdavid
Originally posted by: RabidMongoose
It doesn't make sense to let Jeter stay at SS and move AROD to 3B. AROD is a gold glove SS...Jeter is statistically one of the worst defensive SS out there.

haha.. do you seriously think that?

you seriously don't think that?

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Originally posted by: cmdavid
Originally posted by: RabidMongoose
It doesn't make sense to let Jeter stay at SS and move AROD to 3B. AROD is a gold glove SS...Jeter is statistically one of the worst defensive SS out there.

haha.. do you seriously think that?

LOL. Can you disprove what I said? No you can't. STATISTICALLY, Jeter is one of the worst defensive SS in the game.
 
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Originally posted by: BigJ
Originally posted by: cmdavid
Originally posted by: RabidMongoose
It doesn't make sense to let Jeter stay at SS and move AROD to 3B. AROD is a gold glove SS...Jeter is statistically one of the worst defensive SS out there.

haha.. do you seriously think that?

you seriously don't think that?

Believe

Well I wouldn't look at fielding percentage to evaluate overall defense, but using the more basic or more advanced defensive statistics, Jeter is one of the worst SS in defense.
 

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Jeter is definitely one of the worst defensive shortstops in the game. To see that, don't look at his fielding percentage, but in the number of chances he gets per game. He's reliable, doesn't boot many balls and throws accurately, so his fielding percentage *looks* good. That only tells half the story. He's got a slow first step, very poor range and a mediocre arm. He doesn't get to many balls that A-rod would reach and on many plays in the hole he's got to eat the ball rather than attempt a throw that A-rod could make. Those all go down in the stats as base hits rather than defensive chances or errors, but the runner is still on first.

I like Jeter, he's clutch, he's a team player, he doesn't talk trash, he's an all-around good guy and excellent player. He's just a poor defensive SS.
 

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Texas wants to get rid of A-Rod, A-Rod wants out of Texas.

Anything is possible in this case. There is alot of resentment, and bitterness in the Rangers club house directed at their "Captain" A-Rod.
 

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Yea Jeter is a poor defensive shortstop, but hey hes been clutch in the offseason so far. It doesnt hurt being a team player and not an asshat.
 

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Originally posted by: BigJ
Originally posted by: cmdavid
Originally posted by: RabidMongoose
It doesn't make sense to let Jeter stay at SS and move AROD to 3B. AROD is a gold glove SS...Jeter is statistically one of the worst defensive SS out there.

haha.. do you seriously think that?

you seriously don't think that?

Believe

try looking at his career stats if you're going to go off FPCT....
 

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ESPN just reported that the deal is pretty much done, just need to work out a few details. A-Rod is on his way to NY
 

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Originally posted by: GagHalfrunt
Jeter is definitely one of the worst defensive shortstops in the game. To see that, don't look at his fielding percentage, but in the number of chances he gets per game.
Yep, that's reflected in the range factor. Looking at the list linked above, last year he was ranked dead last among all MLB SS with enough games played to qualify. I knew he wasn't too good, I had no idea he was *that* poor. His fielding % isn't even that good, and he's far and away the worst in zone rating on that list, if anyone can decipher that.

You could make the argument that last year was an anomaly because of the injury, but the stats look similarly bad as you go back a couple years. Based on his career stats and personal observation over that time, he's established a trend of declining defense, which should be somewhat scary for the Yankees considering he's currently among the worst in the league. I can't think of any reason to expect a nearly 30 yr old SS with a major shoulder injury in his past to dramatically improve at this point. Moving Jeter to another position in favor of A-Rod at SS wouldn't be a "sacrifice" as it would be spun in the papers, it would be vastly improving their left side infield defense, not to mention being a big offensive upgrade at that position.

Not to say I wouldn't take him on my team too in some capacity, he has an uncanny ability to be right in the thick of things when it comes to winning huge games.
 

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Wow, this is sad. I'm all for a salary cap asap. It would be drastic, but at least there would be some competition. The price of a beer & 2 hotdogs at yankee stadium almost seems comparible to the payrolls of small teams like oakland/brewers/florida. There's even less of a reason to watch baseball if this trade happens. Arena shuffleboard even looks better at this point.
 

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Possible Winners and Losers...if Selig approves

It will be remembered as one of the biggest trades of all time. Alex Rodriguez became the first reigning MVP to be traded. Two home runs away from having the most ever by a shortstop, and following consecutive Gold Glove seasons, he gladly moves to another position. Unprecedented. So is the magnitude of his remarkable trade. Here are the winners and losers.


Winners

A-Rod: He got his wish, a chance to win. It wasn't going to happen anytime soon in Texas, so he pushed and pushed until the trade got done. Now he moves to the center of the baseball cosmos, to the middle of a lineup that might score 1,000 runs (seven teams have done that, four of them Yankees) and to a place where he'll never wonder again about marketability. The pressure of New York will be enormous -- 10 times as large as Seattle and Texas combined -- but his talent is so impossibly high, he will play his way through it. Maybe he'll hit his 700th homer as a Yankee. Maybe if he stays there for 12 years, we'll someday say that the two best players ever were Yankees, Babe Ruth and A-Rod.


The Rangers: Rodriguez's contract was strangling the organization, preventing it from doing what it should have done four years ago: acquire pitching. This offseason, the Rangers have lowered their payroll from $105 million to $65 million, giving them the elasticity to move forward in a very difficult division. Even though the Rangers will pay a portion of A-Rod's contract, they'll make roughly $20 million more on this deal than they would have on the proposed trade with Boston. And they have a core of young players, including Hank Blalock, Mark Teixeira, Michael Young and Alfonso Soriano, who will get a look in center field for the Rangers.


The Yankees: They didn't have a third baseman. In Rodriguez, they acquired the game's best player. They haven't addressed other issues, including defense at first base and center field, and no left-hander in the rotation, but with Rodriguez in the lineup, they'll just slug their way through any problems. Who needs a lefty when you score 6.5 runs a game? The record for runs in a season is 1,067 by the 1931 Yankees. It is now in jeopardy.


Honus Wagner: A-Rod would have been, in a couple of years, considered the best shortstop of all time. Now that he has moved to third base (where he surely will become the first third baseman to hit 50 homers in a season, as he was the first shortstop to do so), Wagner, the first, greatest player of all time, likely will hold that title for a little while longer.


Third base: It is an unappreciated position, one highly underrated in its degree of difficulty, especially defensively. Now it gets a chance to humble yet another terrific player. Third base requires power, a strong arm, great reflexes and tremendous courage. Former gold glover Doug Rader once said that playing third base "is like recovering a fumble." Unlike shortstop, the ball is on you in an instant, there is no time to set your feet, sometimes the only play you have it let the ball slam into your chest. It is an extremely difficult transition from shortstop: Rico Petrocelli and Jim Fregosi, among others, had a very hard time making the switch late in their careers. Cal Ripken made the move as seamlessly as one can, and we're betting that Rodriguez in time will be a great defensive third baseman. But Ripken began his career as a third baseman. "I used to get hit in the [protective] cup all the time at third," Ripken once said. "Then I moved to shortstop, and didn't get hit there for 15 years. Then I moved back to third, and got hit again."


Losers
The Red Sox: They were roughly $20 million away from having A-Rod as their shortstop, and not having to worry about the contract status of Nomar Garciaparra, or the hurt feelings of Garciaparra and Manny Ramirez. But the Red Sox weren't willing to pay all of A-Rod's contract and part of Manny's contract, so their arch enemy, the Evil Empire, the Yankees, moved in and traded for the game's best player. There are similarities between the Red Sox's sale of Babe Ruth to the Yankees, including that the Babe and A-Rod wore No. 3. The Red Sox had a terrific offseason, and might be the team to beat, but there's no denying that the Yankees finished the winter with an incredible burst.


Small-market teams: The Yankee payroll could exceed $200 million in 2004. It could be nearly seven times as high as, say, the Devil Rays. How are these small-market teams supposed to compete? OK, OK, so the Yankees can afford $200 million, and another, say, $70 million in luxury tax and revenue sharing, but it just doesn't seem right that whatever they want, they get. They now have four players -- Rodriguez, Kevin Brown, Jason Giambi and Derek Jeter -- who have $100 million contracts. No team has ever won a World Series with a player who has a $100 million contract. No team has ever had four such guys.


Yankee beat writers: Say goodbye to your wife and children, fellas, your lives are over. Although there's nothing better than having something to write about every day, the 2004 Yankees will be relentless from today until the end of the World Series. What if the Yankees start slowly? Will Joe Torre be fired? What if Jeter makes a few errors, will they want A-Rod at shortstop? What if A-Rod struggles mightily at third base? What happens if the Yankees don't win the World Series? Gary Sheffield? Kevin Brown? Kenny Lofton? How will the chemistry in the clubhouse, which was once the ultimate strength of the Yankees, be affected by all these new faces and dominant personalities? It is a fascinating story, one with no end. Check back in eight months to see who is still standing.


Tim Kurkjian is a senior writer for ESPN The Magazine and a regular contributor to Baseball Tonight. E-mail tim.kurkjian@espnmag.com

Interesting comment about the 100 million dollar players... If that holds the Yankees wont win the WS for the next 5-6 years?