REPORT: 30% of companies to drop health coverage because of Obamacare...

ProfJohn

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http://www.marketwatch.com/story/firms-halting-coverage-as-reform-starts-survey-2011-06-06
Once provisions of the Affordable Care Act start to kick in during 2014, at least three of every 10 employers will probably stop offering health coverage, a survey released Monday shows.

While only 7% of employees will be forced to switch to subsidized-exchange programs, at least 30% of companies say they will “definitely or probably” stop offering employer-sponsored coverage, according to the study published in McKinsey Quarterly.

The survey of 1,300 employers says those who are keenly aware of the health-reform measure probably are more likely to consider an alternative to employer-sponsored plans, with 50% to 60% in this group expected to make a change. It also found that for some, it makes more sense to switch.

“At least 30% of employers would gain economically from dropping coverage, even if they completely compensated employees for the change through other benefit offerings or higher salaries,” the study says.

It goes on to add: “Contrary to what employers assume, more than 85% of employees would remain at their jobs even if their employers stopped offering [employer-sponsored insurance], although about 60% would expect increased compensation.” Read about the costly flaws in the U.S. digital health-data plan.

White House responds

Late Monday, an Obama administration official took issue with the study, saying that it is at odds with findings from the Congressional Budget Office, think-tank Rand Corp. and the Urban Institute. In an email response, the official wrote that when Massachusetts initiated its own reform, the number of individuals with employer-sponsored insurance increased.

Indeed, the Rand study released in April noted: “The percentage of employees offered insurance will not change substantially, but a small number of employees in small firms (defined as those with under 100 employees in 2016) will obtain employer-sponsored insurance through the state insurance exchanges.”

In a Jan. 25 study, the Urban Institute said that reports of the demise of employer-sponsored insurance were “premature” and that few would stop offering.

“Our results show the opposite — the [Affordable Care Act] has little effect on overall [employer-sponsored] coverage, and overall employer spending on health care would be slightly lower under the ACA,” according to its own study.

A number of competitors will emerge in the insurance market once reform provisions start to take effect, according to the McKinsey Quarterly study. These firms will be needed to provide a transition for those moving from employer-sponsored insurance to other coverage options.

Insurers will have to adapt to new realities and look for ways to keep the policy holders they have, the study says, but that shouldn’t be difficult. “Our research shows that more than 70% of employees would stay with their insurer if it offers a seamless transition and appropriate products. Each payer also must understand how changing employer-benefit strategies will shift the risk profile of its membership and set prices appropriately.”
I am shocked! Shocked that the administration study on this issue was wrong!

Didn't Obama tell us that we wouldn't lose our current insurance if this bill was passed?
The only good news is that these are small companies and it won't effect too many employees.

But based on how government operated this is just the start. Once Obamacare goes into full effect insurance rates will jump and more companies will dump their employees into these exchange programs.
 

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http://www.marketwatch.com/story/firms-halting-coverage-as-reform-starts-survey-2011-06-06

I am shocked! Shocked that the administration study on this issue was wrong!

Didn't Obama tell us that we wouldn't lose our current insurance if this bill was passed?
The only good news is that these are small companies and it won't effect too many employees.

But based on how government operated this is just the start. Once Obamacare goes into full effect insurance rates will jump and more companies will dump their employees into these exchange programs.


Wake up. The rates have been rising every year for the last 20 years and many companies are making employees pay ridiculous amounts or just offering it for the individual. Blaming on ObamaCare is short sighted and ignorant. Do you have a better solution? You can't even pay for health care coverage for a family if you make $20 hour, thats how expensive this shit is.
 

Generator

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Good. No longer can companies keep up the facade of providing insurance in name only. The employer based system of offering coverage is defunct. As more and more rubes are left exposed their anger and fear will come with a thunderous need for universal healthcare.

You Republicans will pay for neighbors care whether you like it or not. It is a right and we will never go back.
 

brencat

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You Republicans will pay for neighbors care whether you like it or not. It is a right and we will never go back.

You're an ass. Move out of your parent's basement, take off the headphones, cut your hair, and get a fvcking job -- a real job too. And pay some taxes. Then come back and tell me if you still think others have a right to your work product.
 

Engineer

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You're an ass. Move out of your parent's basement, take off the headphones, cut your hair, and get a fvcking job -- a real job too. And pay some taxes. Then come back and tell me if you still think others have a right to your work product.

They're already getting it whether you like it or not. If you're on insurance and working, you're paying for yours and theirs too.
 

brencat

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They're already getting it whether you like it or not. If you're on insurance and working, you're paying for yours and theirs too.

Well aware of the realities Engineer. It was the previous poster's attitude of entitlement I was angrily reacting to.
 

fskimospy

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http://www.marketwatch.com/story/firms-halting-coverage-as-reform-starts-survey-2011-06-06

I am shocked! Shocked that the administration study on this issue was wrong!

Didn't Obama tell us that we wouldn't lose our current insurance if this bill was passed?
The only good news is that these are small companies and it won't effect too many employees.

But based on how government operated this is just the start. Once Obamacare goes into full effect insurance rates will jump and more companies will dump their employees into these exchange programs.

All I'm going to mention here is that the article mentions one study that supports what Pro-Jo says, and three that say the opposite.

So naturally, Pro-Jo takes the one that agrees with what he thinks as gospel.
 

glenn1

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Good. No longer can companies keep up the facade of providing insurance in name only. The employer based system of offering coverage is defunct. As more and more rubes are left exposed their anger and fear will come with a thunderous need for universal healthcare.

You Republicans will pay for neighbors care whether you like it or not. It is a right and we will never go back.

LOL, you dumbass. We'll "pay for" healthcare like for you to the same degree we do for inner city public schools - basically complete shit that is often worse than nothing at all, but good enough for the likes of you.
 

ProfJohn

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Wake up. The rates have been rising every year for the last 20 years and many companies are making employees pay ridiculous amounts or just offering it for the individual. Blaming on ObamaCare is short sighted and ignorant. Do you have a better solution? You can't even pay for health care coverage for a family if you make $20 hour, thats how expensive this shit is.
I thought Obamacare was going to solve this problem??

Seems that all it does is make it worse. Which was probably their intent in the first place. Jack up rates to the point that people start calling for government run healthcare etc. Otherwise Obamacare would do something about rising costs instead of ignoring the biggest problem in healthcare.
 

wuliheron

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The only good news is that these are small companies and it won't effect too many employees.

How dare the Obama administration support small businesses! First Clinton supported the self-employed with healthcare and now this. Before you know it they'll be able to compete with the monopolies!
 
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fskimospy

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I thought Obamacare was going to solve this problem??

Seems that all it does is make it worse. Which was probably their intent in the first place. Jack up rates to the point that people start calling for government run healthcare etc. Otherwise Obamacare would do something about rising costs instead of ignoring the biggest problem in healthcare.

Uhmm, the ACA includes lots of cost saving measures. For one, see the 'gutting Medicare' charge that came from Republicans about the ACA (before they decided to gut Medicare). Second go look in the encyclopedia under 'Panels, Death'.

Stop acting like a clown.
 

ProfJohn

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How dare the Obama administration support small businesses! First Clinton supported the self-employed with healthcare and now this. Before you know it they'll be able to compete with the monopolies!
Maybe you need to re-read the story.

Obamacare is forcing small companies to drop their healthcare because they can't afford it.
 

shira

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http://www.marketwatch.com/story/firms-halting-coverage-as-reform-starts-survey-2011-06-06

I am shocked! Shocked that the administration study on this issue was wrong!

Didn't Obama tell us that we wouldn't lose our current insurance if this bill was passed?
The only good news is that these are small companies and it won't effect too many employees.

But based on how government operated this is just the start. Once Obamacare goes into full effect insurance rates will jump and more companies will dump their employees into these exchange programs.

And you know that the McKinsey study is right and the CBO study is wrong because . . . .?

Oh, wait, you're a right-wing troll. I think we know the "because."
 

Generator

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Then come back and tell me if you still think others have a right to your work product.

You don't even have a right to work, let alone a right to your product. Whether you right wing relic minded fools like it or not, SOCIETY has a right to a certain percentage of any and all work.

You are not a frontiersman.
You are not a pioneer.
You are not a self-made man.

You stand on SOCIETIES shoulders and think all you owe to SOCIETY is the shit from your ass?! Let them eat shit say ye oh pioneer, oh pioneer? You ideological megalomaniacal fraud!

And Obama didn't jack the rates, he secured them. He assured them to implosion. The right wing rube will have the virtues of good society TAXED into them no matter what. This progress will not be denied. Its a new world, abandon your absurd, greedy archetypes now while you have choice.
 

boochi

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You don't even have a right to work, let alone a right to your product. Whether you right wing relic minded fools like it or not, SOCIETY has a right to a certain percentage of any and all work.

You are not a frontiersman.
You are not a pioneer.
You are not a self-made man.

You stand on SOCIETIES shoulders and think all you owe to SOCIETY is the shit from your ass?! Let them eat shit say ye oh pioneer, oh pioneer? You ideological megalomaniacal fraud!

And Obama didn't jack the rates, he secured them. He assured them to implosion. The right wing rube will have the virtues of good society TAXED into them no matter what. This progress will not be denied. Its a new world, abandon your absurd, greedy archetypes now while you have choice.

Socialist
 

Slew Foot

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Haha. Generator is battling Steeplerot/redunderbed for stupidest person in the world.
 

Jhhnn

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All I'm going to mention here is that the article mentions one study that supports what Pro-Jo says, and three that say the opposite.

So naturally, Pro-Jo takes the one that agrees with what he thinks as gospel.

Well, yeh, of course. He'd pick a needle out of a haystack, claim it was a representative sample.
 

theeedude

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If you want insurance you can't lose, you will have to support universal single payer. Until then it's going to be cheaper for employer to not pay for insurance then to pay for it, with or without Obamacare.
 

Zebo

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Until we control costs, sorry Slew I know that 600K-800K will be hard to give up, this goes no where. Companies will move, people will drop, and we are treading debt.