Report: 1 Of Every 75 U.S. Men In Prison

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WASHINGTON -- America's inmate population grew by 2.9 percent last year, to almost 2.1 million people, with one of every 75 men living in prison or jail.

The inmate population continued its rise despite a fall in the crime rate and many states' efforts to reduce some sentences, especially for low-level drug offenders.

The report issued Thursday by the Justice Department's Bureau of Justice Statistics attributes much of the increase to get-tough policies enacted during the 1980s and '90s, such as mandatory drug sentences, "three-strikes-and-you're-out" laws for repeat offenders, and "truth-in-sentencing" laws that restrict early releases.

Whether that's good or bad depends on who is asked.

"The prison system just grows like a weed in the yard," said Vincent Schiraldi, executive director of the Justice Policy Institute, which pushes for a more lenient system.

Without reforms, he said, prison populations will continue to grow "almost as if they are on autopilot, regardless of their high costs and disappointing crime-control impact."

But Attorney General John Ashcroft said the report shows the success of efforts to take hard-core criminals off the streets.

"It is no accident that violent crime is at a 30-year low while prison population is up," Ashcroft said. "Violent and recidivist criminals are getting tough sentences while law-abiding Americans are enjoying unprecedented safety."

There were 715 inmates for every 100,000 U.S. residents at midyear in 2003, up from 703 a year earlier, the report found.

The nation's incarceration rate tops the world, according to The Sentencing Project, another group that promotes alternatives to prison. That compares with a rate of 169 per 100,000 residents in Mexico, 116 in Canada and 143 for England and Wales.

Russia's prison population, which once rivaled the United States', has dropped to 584 per 100,000 because of prisoner amnesties in recent years, the group said.

The U.S. inmate population in 2003 grew at its fastest pace in four years. The number of inmates increased 1.8 percent in state prisons, 7.1 percent in federal prisons and 3.9 percent in local jails.

In 2003, 68 percent of prison and jail inmates were members of racial or ethnic minorities, the government said. An estimated 12 percent of all black men in their 20s were in jails or prisons, as were 3.7 percent of Hispanic men and 1.6 percent of white men in that age group, according to the report.

The report also said:

The number of women in state and federal prisons grew by 5 percent, compared to a 2.7 percent increase for men. Still, men greatly outnumber women: 1.36 million to 100,102.

Local jails held 691,301 inmates.

The inmate population in 10 states increased at least 5 percent. Some of the smallest state prison systems saw the largest increase: Vermont's grew by 12.2 percent, Minnesota was up 9.4 percent and Maine 9.1 percent.

Only nine states logged a decrease in prison population, led by Rhode Island with a 3.4 percent drop; Arkansas, 2.2 percent; and Montana, 2.1 percent.
 

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The current "corrections" system in this country is not about correcting offenses, but about getting people out of your hair. Then, inevitably, when their long term is up - all the while costing taxpayers tens of thousands each year to house this inmate - they are incapable of functioning in society and so they find themselves commiting more crimes and back in prison again.

There needs to be a greater attempt to correct bad behavior, especially among young inmates and those in the juvenile system, because that's when a lot of these punks turn themselves into career criminals. Get a young thug off the wrong track, give him some skills and self-esteem and confidence, and he'll be less likely to revert back to his bad behaviour.
 

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Originally posted by: Skoorb
The current "corrections" system in this country is not about correcting offenses, but about getting people out of your hair. Then, inevitably, when their long term is up - all the while costing taxpayers tens of thousands each year to house this inmate - they are incapable of functioning in society and so they find themselves commiting more crimes and back in prison again.

There needs to be a greater attempt to correct bad behavior, especially among young inmates and those in the juvenile system, because that's when a lot of these punks turn themselves into career criminals. Get a young thug off the wrong track, give him some skills and self-esteem and confidence, and he'll be less likely to revert back to his bad behaviour.

I was just reading about this the other day. Problem is, when the company potentially hiring the candidate does a background check, he doesn't get the job. A lot of discrimination occurs against former criminals. It's illegal to do so, unless there's a legitimate reason, example: not hiring someone previously convicted of child molestation to be a day care instructor. But, the companies are smart enough to find a different reason.
 

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Need a more lenient drug policy - decrim mj, mandatory rehab for dangerous drugs (except alcohol & tobacco). Releasing child molesters & murderers to make way for drug users is insane.
 

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End the war on drugs and most of this problem will disappear... Just as it did when we ended Prohibition.
 

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Originally posted by: DrPizza
Originally posted by: Skoorb
The current "corrections" system in this country is not about correcting offenses, but about getting people out of your hair. Then, inevitably, when their long term is up - all the while costing taxpayers tens of thousands each year to house this inmate - they are incapable of functioning in society and so they find themselves commiting more crimes and back in prison again.

There needs to be a greater attempt to correct bad behavior, especially among young inmates and those in the juvenile system, because that's when a lot of these punks turn themselves into career criminals. Get a young thug off the wrong track, give him some skills and self-esteem and confidence, and he'll be less likely to revert back to his bad behaviour.

I was just reading about this the other day. Problem is, when the company potentially hiring the candidate does a background check, he doesn't get the job. A lot of discrimination occurs against former criminals. It's illegal to do so, unless there's a legitimate reason, example: not hiring someone previously convicted of child molestation to be a day care instructor. But, the companies are smart enough to find a different reason.
Why is it illegal if it's a question on almost every job app in the country...? Honestly I wouldn't hire a felon either. Why would I when I can hire a non-felon? Just doesn't make sense, unless they were willing to work for a lot less.
 

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Originally posted by: Amused
End the war on drugs and most of this problem will disappear... Just as it did when we ended Prohibition.
Couldn't agree more.

Locking someone up & taking their life away for drug use is absolutely insane.

When are people going to realize that there is no difference between "drugs" and legal drugs like alcohol? Oh, maybe when the government stops lying about it? heh.

It's the (ab)users fault, not the drugs'. Fix the people, fix the problem. Education is the key. People always have, and always will do drugs. It's in our nature.

If you're prone to becomming an addict, you should probably steer clear. If you don't, you need rehabilitation.

Of course it's not that easy in the real world, but we have to start somewhere. The current system is ridiculous.
 

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Originally posted by: Amused
End the war on drugs and most of this problem will disappear... Just as it did when we ended Prohibition.
Didn't England legalize heroin for a little while with catastrophic effects? I'll tell you what would loser drug problems: Mandatory capital punishment if you're caught distributing more than a certain amount. I'm not saying I'm for the idea, but Singapore has laws like that, and shockingly little drug use because of it ;)
 

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We need to get those MP's from Abu Grahib to start training our corrections officers!
"NO NO NO! You're doing it wrong! Tie the piano wire to his balls like this!"
 

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Originally posted by: Skoorb
Originally posted by: Amused
End the war on drugs and most of this problem will disappear... Just as it did when we ended Prohibition.
Didn't England legalize heroin for a little while with catastrophic effects? I'll tell you what would loser drug problems: Mandatory capital punishment if you're caught distributing more than a certain amount. I'm not saying I'm for the idea, but Singapore has laws like that, and shockingly little drug use because of it ;)
Hmm. I've never heard of that story....

It doesen't make any sense. People that use drugs are going to use drugs. You cannot stop them.

Have you ever heard of someone who doesen't do a drug because "it's illegal"? Very, very few people like that exist.

Conversely, just because it's legal, there are going to be very, very few people that go out and try it just because of that fact.

Yes, the punishment for having drugs is incredibly harsh in Singapore. I'm sure it contributes, but that isn't the reason drug use there is low. Rest assured, there are plenty of people that do drugs. It's just kept very, very low key. The reason drug use there is low is because it's a cultural/educational thing. Most of those asian countries are very, very conservative. If you talk to most anybody from there, it's always "Drugs are bad, no sex before marriage, study until you're 20+".

Heh.
 

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Originally posted by: Skoorb
Originally posted by: Amused
End the war on drugs and most of this problem will disappear... Just as it did when we ended Prohibition.
Didn't England legalize heroin for a little while with catastrophic effects? I'll tell you what would loser drug problems: Mandatory capital punishment if you're caught distributing more than a certain amount. I'm not saying I'm for the idea, but Singapore has laws like that, and shockingly little drug use because of it ;)

No, but drugs were decriminalized in Amsterdam and "drug related crime" dropped dramtically.

Ask random non-drug users why they don't use and you'll never hear "because they are illegal" as a first response. Legalizing or decriminalizing drugs will not dramatically increase usage. The people who don't use have far better reasons for staying off them than the law, and the people who do use don't care about the law.
 

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Is cocaine and heroin decriminalized in amsterdam? Weed/shrumes, etc. should be legal I have no question about that, but weed users don't turn into dope heads living on the street prostituting themselves for another blunt.

If you do put to death, without question, anybody found with more than an ounce of a drug with the intent to distribute, it won't matter if people still are looking for drugs - they'll find it damned hard to find them, because much fewer people will take up the activity of selling.
 

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Originally posted by: Skoorb
Is cocaine and heroin decriminalized in amsterdam? Weed/shrumes, etc. should be legal I have no question about that, but weed users don't turn into dope heads living on the street prostituting themselves for another blunt.

If you do put to death, without question, anybody found with more than an ounce of a drug with the intent to distribute, it won't matter if people still are looking for drugs - they'll find it damned hard to find them, because much fewer people will take up the activity of selling.
I believe they are.

That just isn't the way to go about it. Especially here in America. It would never work.

It would drive drug prices through the roof, and make the few people that did decide to partake that much richer, and those that use much poorer. Further, it would be infinately more dangerous for law enforcement since the people have nothing to lose fighting back.

It's the wrong way. Just like guns, drugs aren't evil. It's the user.
 

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Originally posted by: remagavon
Idk, I think death is a pretty big deterrent to selling drugs.

You'd probably live longer on death row than outside as a drug dealer.
 

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Originally posted by: remagavon
Idk, I think death is a pretty big deterrent to selling drugs.
Well, certainly. But it would wreak havoc on our justice system. It would be much, much worse than it is now.. Hello, people?

We don't need to put more people in jail for self-harming things like drug use or even selling. Christ.
 

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It's not easy to compare it to guns because on the one hand guns are in most cases, and by most people, used in a responsible manner and have a positive aspect to them, whereas drugs do not in any way have anything positive associated with them. Somebody who drinks a 6 pack every night or smokes a joint every night can still be a positive member of society, whereas a full time heroin addict cannot be.

The war isn't working now obviously. They should either legalize it all for a year and see what happens, or crack down even more severely on it. _Eitherway, the low level drugs like marijuana should be totally legalized immediately_.
 

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Originally posted by: Skoorb
It's not easy to compare it to guns because on the one hand guns are in most cases, and by most people, used in a responsible manner and have a positive aspect to them, whereas drugs do not in any way have anything positive associated with them. Somebody who drinks a 6 pack every night or smokes a joint every night can still be a positive member of society, whereas a full time heroin addict cannot be.

The war isn't working now obviously. They should either legalize it all for a year and see what happens, or crack down even more severely on it. _Eitherway, the low level drugs like marijuana should be totally legalized immediately_.
Yeah, I know. The lines are a little different when it comes to hard core drugs.

Still, though. We're approaching the whole thing in the wrong way. First and foremost, prohibition drives the cost of drugs up and creates drug-associated crime. IMO, that is the real reason it needs to end... besides the fact that it's a war against your own citizens & their natural tendancies.

It may seem counter productive to make something like heroin legal, but is locking the user up really the answer? Is self-harm really a crime?

You have to remember that alcohol is a very powerful drug, second only to drugs like heroin and meth. If you're prone to becomming an addict, and alcohol is your poison of choice, you will probably become an alcoholic.

Again, it's the user that is the "evil", not the drug itself..

If our children weren't so fscked up(and I'm talking about all of time here, not just "this generation"), it wouldn't be as much of a problem. You're always going to have those that are adventurous, though.
 

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Originally posted by: azazyel
Info about drugs in Netherlands
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The only place in the world that seems to have the right idea about how to handle the drug problem is the Netherlands. There is no ?War on Drugs? there, because the Dutch do not see the need to wage war against a sector of their own population. Rather, drugs are a social problem, and the focus there is on humanizing drug addicts, not demonizing them as we do in America.

The Dutch way seems to be working. The famous coffeeshops that pepper many Dutch towns hold the secret. In the coffeeshops you can buy literally dozens of kinds of marijuana. The police do not see these shops or their customers as a threat, and they let the cannabis trade take its course. The police can shut down a coffeeshop cannabis operation at any time if the coffeeshop sells more than a few grams per customer, and if cannabis is sold to underage clients.

Harder drugs like cocaine and heroin are not huge problems because the Dutch have been effective in educating their citizens on the perils of hard drug addiction. The price of Dutch heroin is half of what it costs in England, yet, according to the Observer, the Netherlands does not have as many heroin addicts per head of the population compared to England. And in spite of its liberal bent concerning cannabis, the Netherlands has fewer smokers per head of the population than England or the United States.

This isn't rocket science. It's so painfully obvious that our way is completely backwards.
 

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Back on topic, I'm astonished our incarceration rate is the highest. I always figured a country in China, with lots of political prisoners plus the usual criminals, would have the highest rate.