Replacement for dead HD7970

PercZ

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Hello!

My HD7970 GHz edition died recently, so I'm looking for a new graphics card (possibly a Nvidia card this time). Which card would you recommend, so it would not be bottlenecked by my other components?

EDIT: I'm using the comp for gaming at 1920x1080


MB: ASRock Z77 Pro4-M
CPU: i5 3750k
RAM: 8Gb
PSU: Seasonic 650W

Thanks!
 
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Rickyyy369

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You pretty much can throw any card in there you want and won't see any kind of bottleneck. Whats kind of budget are you working with?
 

PercZ

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The budget is about 350€ (I could stretch a bit more if it's worth it). I've been looking at GTX 970, what would be a good reference design?
 

eton975

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There are very few 'bad' 970s. Only one I'd avoid is the regular Gainward one, which is kinda noisy (source: owner of one).

Personally, Gigabyte G1 Gaming, but make sure your case is big/long enough to fit it, cuz it's massive.
 

AtenRa

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I would get one of those two,

MSI R9 390 Gaming or ASUS R9 390 Strix, both at $329
 

MeldarthX

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I got to agree; unless the 970 is a lot cheaper; the better card to get is the 390. MSI 390 gaming; Asus strix tends to be the most expensive though...

Sapphire Nitro is also excellent card with possibly the quietest cooler out of them all its also 390.
 

kawi6rr

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The 390 will have more future proof then the 970 and with DirectX 12 coming the 390's will get a good boost as well.
 

RussianSensation

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The budget is about 350€ (I could stretch a bit more if it's worth it). I've been looking at GTX 970, what would be a good reference design?

How much are R9 390, 390X, GTX980 as a point of reference?

I would recommend:

1. Sapphire Nitro R9 390
2. MSI Gaming R9 390
3. MSI Gaming GTX970
4. Gigabyte G1 GTX970 Gaming
5. EVGA SSC+ GTX970 (or similar)

JaysTwoCents shows R9 390 > GTX970 and R9 390 OC > GTX970 max OC too.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k9cKZiJw6Pk

If prices are similar between the 390 and 970, I'd go 390 since it offers more consistent performance lead when it wins (i.e., when it wins, the wins are solid). Also, while 8GB is crazy overkill for a GPU such as the 390/390X, at least you have a safe peace of mind that should you want to add mods in games like GTA V, Skyrim, Fallout 4, you won't be crippled by 3.5GB on the 970.

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RussianSensation

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why do you use those crappy games? thief? really

I am not going to waste my time. I already outlined and provided data from many reviews that prove you wrong in this thread.
http://forums.anandtech.com/showthread.php?t=2448109&page=2

Oh yea why on earth are you using 1440p benchies, when the OP said 1080p?

When next generation games come out that are more graphically demanding, the performance at 1440P today is a great indication of how well the card will handle more GPU loads -- you know the same strategy/line of thinking PC gamers have used for decades and it has hardly failed.

But even if we only focus on 1080P, 970 isn't particularly faster as you keep claiming. R9 390 has 8ACEs, true 8GB of fast GDDR5 unlike GTX970 that only has 3.5GB of 224GB/sec GDDR5 and preliminary benchmarks show superior performance to nV in DX12. From that point of view, the 390 is the safer bet long-term when prices are similar.
 

Makaveli

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this thread is not for us to argue in , its to help the OP, and he said 1080p!

You started it to the path of flames when you added this below to your post.

Oh yea why on earth are you using 1440p benchies, when the OP said 1080p?
I bet I know why?! They make AMD cards look better.

I would suggest you follow your own advice.

To the OP RS list of 1-5 posted above is quite good I would suggest looking at each one.
 
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happy medium

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You started it to the path of flames when you added this below to your post

you wasted a college education with that response......?

was I right? I believe I was. OP said 1080p. hello? and he does use 1440p to make AMD cards look better. check most of his posts. OP will say 1080p, he pulls out 4k benchies mixed with 1440p. You think its a mistake? He does this all day long ,every day.

1080p is one of the most used resolutions by gamers.
 
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RussianSensation

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you wasted a college education with that response......?

was I right? I believe I was. OP said 1080p. hello? and he does use 1440p to make AMD cards look better. check most of his posts. OP will say 1080p, he pulls out 4k benchies mixed with 1440p. You think its a mistake? He does this all day long ,every day.

1080p is one of the most used resolutions by gamers.

You clearly do not understand the relationship of 1080P vs. 1440P.

1. Future games will become more demanding. If someone intends to keep their GPU for 2-3 years, the performance impact at 1440P helps us somewhat extrapolate how those next gen games will behave at 1080P. Superior performance at 1440P is what we have going since we don't have 2017-2018 games available to us.

Using this strategy, it was extremely easy to extrapolate that GTX580's performance advantage at 1080P over 6970, 780Ti's over 290X and 680's over 7970 would amount to almost nothing. Check the benchmarks and you will see that generally if a card can handle higher resolutions well, it's better to keep long-term.

2. At Computerbase, that tested 18 games at 1080P HQ, 390 beats 970 OC by 2%.
http://www.computerbase.de/2015-09/...t/4/#diagramm-rating-1920-1080-hohe-qualitaet

So your point is completely moot that 970 will smoke a 390 at 1080P.

3. While 8GB is overkill, you assigned 0 value to having true 4GB of fast GDDR5. What about mods for Skyrim, Fallout 4, GTA V, Doom?

4. Some 390 cards like XFX from BestBuy have lifetime warranty. You signed no value to that.

5. You have not thought long-term: if NV and AMD are selling 2 GPUs that perform very similar to each other and cost similarly but NV has the majority market share, what's better for us consumers to have more competition or LESS competition? Of course more competition. That means I feel when two cards are extremely close, it's more beneficial for us to have a healthy GPU market which means recommending AMD to try to get market share as close as possible to 50/50%. Otherwise, as consumers we'll continue to get mid-range chips priced at $550 from NV. Without AMD, that's exactly what we'd get. If you don't feel this point is important, sure disregard it but a lot of gamers do think long-term and this matters 'all things being equal'.

As I already mentioned, there are pros for the 970 as well:
- lower power usage
- TXAA
- PhysX
- better performance in games that favour NV like WOW, Project CARS, many MOBA games. If someone predominately plays those games, the 970 is a great choice.

EDIT:

Here is an XFX R9 290X 8GB for $300, comes with lifetime warranty if registered within 30 days. That gives you the peace of mind of warranty, VRAM and performance (and DX12 since 290X has 8 ACE engines).
 
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PercZ

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Thank you everyone for your replies. It looks like I have to decide between the GTX 970 and the R9 390.

Anyone knows which one is the quieter card? GTX 970 Gigabye G1 seems to peak at around 39 dBA under load, but I'm having a hard time finding any info about the noise of the R9 390.

The prices for both are pretty much the same in my country too.

I'm also not planning on increasing my resolution anytime soon and I'm not that heavy into modding or HD textures that I would require more than 3,5 Gb of VRAM.
 
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Makaveli

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you wasted a college education with that response......?

was I right? I believe I was. OP said 1080p. hello? and he does use 1440p to make AMD cards look better. check most of his posts. OP will say 1080p, he pulls out 4k benchies mixed with 1440p. You think its a mistake? He does this all day long ,every day.

1080p is one of the most used resolutions by gamers.

He was just providing his opinion and I think all the info the OP gets the better.

If you have a beef with RS take it to the personal messages and leave that crap out of the thread.

Thank you everyone for your replies. It looks like I have to decide between the GTX 970 and the R9 390.

Anyone knows which one is the quieter card? GTX 970 Gigabye G1 seems to peak at around 39 dBA under load, but I'm having a hard time finding any info about the noise of the R9 390.

The prices for both are pretty much the same in my country too.

I'm also not planning on increasing my resolution anytime soon and I'm not that heavy into modding or HD textures that I would require more than 3,5 Gb of VRAM.

Good choice!
 

poofyhairguy

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With that nice PSU a 390 all the way. Nice upgrade from a 7970, which was itself a great GPU. Maybe one of the greatest all time?
 

RussianSensation

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Thank you everyone for your replies. It looks like I have to decide between the GTX 970 and the R9 390.

Anyone knows which one is the quieter card? GTX 970 Gigabye G1 seems to peak at around 39 dBA under load, but I'm having a hard time finding any info about the noise of the R9 390.

The prices for both are pretty much the same in my country too.

I'm also not planning on increasing my resolution anytime soon and I'm not that heavy into modding or HD textures that I would require more than 3,5 Gb of VRAM.

If you are prioritizing noise levels, on the 390 side, get the Sapphire Nitro and set up a custom fan curve. The cooler is very good so there is a lot of headroom to lower the % fan speed and still stay well under 90*C. On the GTX970 side, MSI Gaming 970 is one of the quietest cards, as well as the Asus Strix 970.
 
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