Replace my 1Ghz Thundy with a 1.8Gz Cel

[PrayForDeath]

Originally posted by: myocardia
You should be able to get to at least 1.3ghz with your Athlon, if not 1.4ghz. Then it would rape the 1.8ghz Celeryon.

Yeah, but would it rape a 1.8 Celeron OCed to around 2.5Ghz such as the one at Anandtech?
And if I wanna overclock my T-bird, how do I do that? Any tips?


edit: sorry for using bad words, but he started

 

[jagec]

depends on the stepping. I'd guess you could probably get 1.2 out of it.

 

[DAPUNISHER]

Overclocking t-birds is ez. You just pencil in the L1 bridges, just make certain the lead is high graphite because some have too much clay to do the trick. Then you simply adjust the FSB, multiplier, and voltages like usual. A good C revision t-bird 1ghz with a stepping like AXIA can hit as high as 1.5ghz on air but 1.3ghz would be more typical IIRC. You have an Epox board so it should have all the bios settings needed to juice that chip.

BTW, I wouldn't count on a 1.8ghz willy based doing much more than 2.26ghz the 1.7ghz in the article does.

 

[PrayForDeath]

I guess I need some pics explaining the hardmod, I can't risk modding it if I am not sure about what I am doing!

 

[mechBgon]

Originally posted by: PrayForDeath
Haven't checked the motherboard yet, but it has AGP slots for sure there's a GF2 MX (AGP 4x version)running on it.

edit: and I would keep the Thunderbird over the Celeron any day of the week

But you didn't say why?? I mean, aren't the benchmarks saying that the 1.8 Celeron is faster than the 1Ghz T-Bird?

Big picture: if you want performance in 3DS Max, a 1.8GHz Celeron is probably not the right tool for the job, particularly if the motherboard happens to be further crippling it by being a single-channel-DDR or (ewww) a PC133 board. Why don't you lay out for us exactly what the Celeron rig would end up being, including brand/model of motherboard, memory modules, video card, etc. Also, does your power supply have an ATX12V auxiliary-power plug and does this motherboard require one?

I have a dislike for Socket478 Celerons, period. If you can afford a $3000+ 3D modelling/animation package, you can afford something better than a Celeron anyway.

 

[DAPUNISHER]

Originally posted by: PrayForDeath
I guess I need some pics explaining the hardmod, I can't risk modding it if I am not sure about what I am doing!

Bah! you need no pics just make little lines that connect the dots where you see L1 and make certain the lines don't touch each other so it can't short, It's that simple.Mess up, use the eraser and try again Want it to be permanant then just buy a rear window defogger kit from the auto parts store and use the conductive paint instead of pencil lead.

EDIT:here's a guide

 

[PrayForDeath]

The PC is going to be like this (if I get the Celeron), 512MB PC133 SDRam (Crap, I know), 60GB Hard Drive, 9800SE --softmod--> Pro video card, WinXP, 1.8 Celeron @something!
And as for the motherboard I'll get the information about it as soon as possible.
But what is that 12V auxiliary-power plug used for??
How about overclocking the celeron, is it easy to overclock?
Thank you in advance
edit: thanks alot for the guide, DAPANISHER



p.s: I know my PC is crap, but as I said before, I am upgrading my rig next fall.

 

[DAPUNISHER]

Hey, just use the bridge connection technique shown but pay no attention to the L7 or other stuff because your board should handle the rest. Just closing the L1's with the method they demonstrate is all you want from that link

 

[mechBgon]

The ATX12V cable powers the CPU's power circuitry. If you have PC133, definitely forget the Celeron. The performance of Celeron is bad enough with dual-channel DDR, let alone two steps down to PC133.

 

[PrayForDeath]

Originally posted by: DAPUNISHER
Just closing the L1's with the method they demonstrate is all you want from that link

You mean This link?

 

[CraigRT]

I would keep the 1Ghz Athlon.... no Celeron will ever see it's home in my house.

trash.

 

[suklee]

Don't go for the Celly
Keep the Thundy

 

[jagec]

Originally posted by: PrayForDeath
The PC is going to be like this (if I get the Celeron), 512MB PC133 SDRam (Crap, I know)

RUN FAR, FAR AWAY!!!

 

[Acanthus]

Originally posted by: PrayForDeath
Haven't checked the motherboard yet, but it has AGP slots for sure there's a GF2 MX (AGP 4x version)running on it.

edit: and I would keep the Thunderbird over the Celeron any day of the week

But you didn't say why?? I mean, aren't the benchmarks saying that the 1.8 Celeron is faster than the 1Ghz T-Bird?

You can look at benchies all day, but celerons suck, period.

I wouldnt take a 2.6 celeron over a 1ghz tbird...

 

[PrayForDeath]

Originally posted by: jagec

Originally posted by: PrayForDeath
The PC is going to be like this (if I get the Celeron), 512MB PC133 SDRam (Crap, I know)

RUN FAR, FAR AWAY!!!

I should run away if I have DDR memory in my T-bird rig, right? But I don't! I also have SDR in here!
As for the review from anandtech on overclocking my T-bird, is This the single step I should do with my T-bird to overclock it?
There are jumpers on the motherboard, I read the manual and it says they adjust the CPU ratio! Is that the multiplier, well it didn't work, I guess I should first do that little hard mod to be able to do that, right?

 

[BugsBunny1078]

Well Celeron is made by Intel so that is better than the thuderbird which is made by AMD.

 

[mechBgon]

Originally posted by: PrayForDeath

Originally posted by: jagec

Originally posted by: PrayForDeath
The PC is going to be like this (if I get the Celeron), 512MB PC133 SDRam (Crap, I know)

RUN FAR, FAR AWAY!!!

I should run away if I have DDR memory in my T-bird rig, right? But I don't! I also have SDR in here!

The Tbird isn't too heavily affected by SDR versus DDR. The performance gains of DDR were 0% to 10% in the tests I did.

 

[AWhackWhiteBoy]

Originally posted by: BugsBunny1078
Well Celeron is made by Intel so that is better than the thuderbird which is made by AMD.

your joking,right?

 

[DAPUNISHER]

Originally posted by: mechBgon

Originally posted by: PrayForDeath

Originally posted by: jagec

Originally posted by: PrayForDeath
The PC is going to be like this (if I get the Celeron), 512MB PC133 SDRam (Crap, I know)

RUN FAR, FAR AWAY!!!

I should run away if I have DDR memory in my T-bird rig, right? But I don't! I also have SDR in here!

The Tbird isn't too heavily affected by SDR versus DDR. The performance gains of DDR were 0% to 10% in the tests I did.

Interesting stuff. What chipset and ram were used for the testing mechBgon? I realize the old t-bird didn't have the SSE or data prefetch tech but I was thinking that with 3200DDR and a nF2 board the t-bird could be run synch in dual channel@400DDR or higher and would show a massive advantage over the old SDRAM chipsets like that. I may go scout the FS/FT and see if I can hunt down an old t-bird to play with for awhile

Originally posted by: PrayForDeath


The PC is going to be like this (if I get the Celeron), 512MB PC133 SDRam (Crap, I know)

As for the review from anandtech on overclocking my T-bird, is This the single step I should do with my T-bird to overclock it?
There are jumpers on the motherboard, I read the manual and it says they adjust the CPU ratio! Is that the multiplier, well it didn't work, I guess I should first do that little hard mod to be able to do that, right?[/quote]

Yep, pencil in the L1's and it'll allow you to change the multiplier.

 

[PrayForDeath]

By the way, which method causes more heat, increasing the multiplier or increasing the FSB?
And how do I know that I've reached my maximum, I have a software from E-pox shows me the CPU temperature from windows, right now it's around 40C, what's the highest degree I can reach with no stability problems?
Thanks alot guys, you helped me so much

 

[PrayForDeath]

Damn it, I couldn't take the heatsink off the CPU!! It's so hard, and so risky, any help please

 

[jm0ris0n]

Originally posted by: mechBgon

I should run away if I have DDR memory in my T-bird rig, right? But I don't! I also have SDR in here!

The Tbird isn't too heavily affected by SDR versus DDR. The performance gains of DDR were 0% to 10% in the tests I did.[/quote]

There is nothing wrong with sdr in a tbird system. I agree with the quoted specs. On that processor ddr266 would net you maybe 5% avg increase if you are lucky.

I had an iwill kt133a board that used sdr. I got more performance out of my sdr stuff @150Mhz cl2 than most people with AMD760 266DDR boards

 

[DAPUNISHER]

Originally posted by: jm0ris0n

Originally posted by: mechBgon

I should run away if I have DDR memory in my T-bird rig, right? But I don't! I also have SDR in here!

The Tbird isn't too heavily affected by SDR versus DDR. The performance gains of DDR were 0% to 10% in the tests I did.

There is nothing wrong with sdr in a tbird system. I agree with the quoted specs. On that processor ddr266 would net you maybe 5% avg increase if you are lucky.

I had an iwill kt133a board that used sdr. I got more performance out of my sdr stuff @150Mhz cl2 than most people with AMD760 266DDR boards [/quote]The thing is, why would you pick 2100DDR if you were going to put your old t-bird in a new board? I'd do the nF2/3200DDR solution, drop the multi, jack it up to 400DC-DDR synch mode or higher as I stated, while also overclocking it to it's max stable clockspeed. That should lay a serious beat down on a SDR platform. I remember hearing all the arguments about the small gain going from SDR to DDR when it happened but we are way beyond AMD760 level performance on sktA now

 

[Steve]

I would take a 1.6 or 1.8GHz Duron over the fastest Celeron any day.

 

[mechBgon]

Originally posted by: DAPUNISHER

Originally posted by: mechBgon

Originally posted by: PrayForDeath

Originally posted by: jagec

Originally posted by: PrayForDeath
The PC is going to be like this (if I get the Celeron), 512MB PC133 SDRam (Crap, I know)

RUN FAR, FAR AWAY!!!

I should run away if I have DDR memory in my T-bird rig, right? But I don't! I also have SDR in here!

The Tbird isn't too heavily affected by SDR versus DDR. The performance gains of DDR were 0% to 10% in the tests I did.

Interesting stuff. What chipset and ram were used for the testing mechBgon? I realize the old t-bird didn't have the SSE or data prefetch tech but I was thinking that with 3200DDR and a nF2 board the t-bird could be run synch in dual channel@400DDR or higher and would show a massive advantage over the old SDRAM chipsets like that. I may go scout the FS/FT and see if I can hunt down an old t-bird to play with for awhile

I'm going to quote myself here from SLCentral's boards. I did some real-world 3D modelling/rendering benchmarks in trueSpace 4.3:

I also re-ran my benchmarks with an equivalent amount of Crucial PC133 CAS2 to see how it compares to the DDR results.

The rendering test took 1:48, which is about 9% slower than with DDR.

The software-mode point-of-view movement took 3:23, which is about 1.5% slower than with DDR.

The radiosity computation took 3:06, which is also about 1.5% slower than with DDR.

I guess it's not the end of the world if you re-use your PC133 on this board.

That's with my K7S5A, 1.4GHz Thunderbird-C, and 256MB of Crucial PC133CL2 or 256MB of Crucial PC2100CL2, with both set to the most aggressive timings in the BIOS. The original thread is here.