It is ridiculous. Affirmative action is a sham, a crutch and supposed quick fix to a problem that has deeper roots. the only fix is to fix it at the start and fix the horrible schools some people have to go to.
Lots of minorities that have had disadvantages which is basically all of them succeed fine. UCLA is what 42% asian right now, with asians accounting for less than 10% of the population in california and 4% in the nation. Asians came here poor (hell i did), came here as immigrants (which is why most of them are poor), . People from India come to mind, people from persian backgrounds, jewish people were persecuted immigrants, and they are doing fine. Japanese people were put in camps. Jewish people have had their share. Chinese people have had to go through a lot of stuff. Hell i'm from the philippines, america really exploited that country for ulterior motives, but we get no extra love. There are african immigrants who have done the same thing, just like my nigerian american roomate whose parents immigrated here. But these groups didnt get where they are by whining about it..... CONSTANTLY.
My roomate is actually a good example. He still gets to be classified as black and under affirmative action would get special consideration even though his family wasnt even subject to the 200 years of yada yada that you state. Under your plan, we should give special consdiration to asian basketball players even if they are worse than the ones we have just because we dont have any. And while we are at it, my compsci classes have like 10% girls, why dont you give special consideration for girls in compsci, hell that wouldnt be fair to guys that deserve it but it sure would be cool for those girls. (hell i would say i'd like it, but its still unfair) The worst thing is that asians are covered as a blanket demographic. There are tons of filipinos, camdoians, laoations, samoans etc that have the same disadvantages as other "historically disadvantaged" minorities, but they dont even count as a disadvantaged minority since every just says they are asian. Hell i am filipino/chinese, and it probably could have helped me, but i didnt need it and its still wrong. First off i know that filipinos could care less as a racial group the number of japanese people go to ucla. It does not give filipinos any comfort that there are tons of chinese here. But I still can't sympathize with those filipinos because they aren't here because they didnt out compete others who applied which is why they aren't here. This is what makes affirmative action wrong, not only is it racist by helping a certain race that is disadvantaged, it even is racist among disadvantaged races since it only helps certain disadvantaged races.
Reverse discrimination displaces asians, jewish people, white people, whatever people who deserve to be here, based on soley the race of another person, who wouldn't be here otherwise. anyone with half a brain can figure that out. You cant be fair when you take race into account. I'll even do it with math
If z = total
and y = "disadvantaged minorities"
and x = others
x+y=z
affirmative action makes reverse discrimination
(x-1)+(y+1)=z
x is not just white people. note for all your mentally impaired people x-1 is less than x. I think the reason all these protestors never bring the asians that have made it, jewish, and persians in to account for their argument is that it their whole argument would fall apart. White people for the most part aren't racist. Sure some may buy into some stereo types, but its just like some black people thinking that white people are racist, and that is the same thing. But its apparently ok for "disadvantaged minorities" to use stereo types against white people (hmm the regents are mostly white, therefore they are racist is the thought that has been implied for the last couple weeks) , but not the other way around. Both are wrong, but one seems to be right and is still wrong. Man really i think your average non racist white person really gets screwed every time they talk about this stuff
People make this retarded argument that a lot of people who dont get in here, would do fine here. That all great and all, but there are a limited number of spots for students, which is why its selective anyways. If there was an unlimited number of spots at UCLA we could let everyone in and really i could care less. It is reverse descrimination. You let in some one , and someone else who normally would have gotten in wouldn't. YOu cant add disadvantaged minorities without taking away the others. Minorities who have managed to earn spots here that are no longer considered disadvanteged i.e. asians and persians and indians, will lose for the fact that they aren't "disadvantaged" . Mayve they aren't disadvantaged any more because they worked their asses off. You cant punish people for becoming prosperous. People work all their lives to get their and then they get penalized. Thats horrible in itself, destroys all the values for why we even bother working towards a better life.
Man and those fools kept chanting "Regents racist" or something because it was catchy. *grumble race card bullshit* Man they made such fools of themselves, and then they tried to take over royce AGAIN. i mean they are already being led like lemmings to believe something that is illogical and they even go about protesting it in the most uncivilized way. Last week they vandalized parts of the outside of the libraray by spray painting crap about repealing it again. Yeah i'm sure that doesnt discredit your group.
Affirmative action is a crutch. If some minorities claim they NEED affirmative action to succeed when other minorities have worked through or had the talent to work through it, they are saying they have some handicap because of their race. It devalues you as a whole to have a handicap. A disadvantaged minority will never earn respect by having this special preference, and by having had it for the past 30 years, has lowered society's value of even a college graduating disadvantaged minority. That is reality. I mean really , if you know someone got an unfair advantage and won a race you wouldn't think they were as good a runner. Yeah people complain there are stereo types and stuff to work through. Every race has stereo types to work against. YOu know how to fix that? You prove that its not true. You dont make a law that says you cant say "asians are sneaky people who will send all our secrets back to china". You build trust and make people belive that you aren't sneaky bastards. I think of it this way. If i ran a store and someone said because they were latino or black that they should be able to buy something that cost a dollar for 90 cents , i'd say hell no. Because i dont care how you earned that dollar, if you had to dig ditches for it, or someone gave it to you , both your dollars are equal. To say a socalled disadvantaged minority 's dollar is worth more is asinine since their dollar is worth like $1.10 since 90 cents of theirs is worth a dollar of someone else's money.
There is certainly a difference between "unqualified" and "less qualified". There are probably tons of people who could easily get a degree at ucla but that doesn't mean that are people who aren't better than them at that who deserve it more. like if you had a barrel full of apples , you could probably eat all of them and they all qualify as apples, but maybe you want the best and consider the best bigger and only want the BIGGEST ones. Also we might as well face reality. The whole racial demographics problem at colleges is an economic and cultral problem. Rich people get in for the reason of being more educated. Yes thats right generally rich people are more educated because they have more resources from being rich. I'm not saying they are smarter, but hey a person that is musically talented still wont know classical piano if they dont teach that at their school The solution is to fix it so that people who arent as wealthy have the same chance to be educated from that start and fix the schools. Poor white people have just as much a disadvantage as a poor latino. So do poor asians. Its what you make of what you have. Lots of asian kids i knew in high school would scrap together all the money they had to go get tutored, and their parents would verbally abuse or even beat them if they got bad grades. Maybe if disadvantaged minorities went as far as beating their kids so that they'd get bettter grades and SAT scores they'd get better grades and scores. Who knows. Sure that sounds bad, but it sure as hell helped some asian kids i've known get motivated to look like much better students. I think really in the end its a cultural and economic problem.
Repealing sp1 and sp2 i know doesnt do anything because of prop 209. BUT its still a wrong thing to do , because it endorses an institution that is flawed from that start.
sorry this is horribly unorganized, but i'm just kinda ranting, and well i'm a compsci major anyways. You have fired me up as well as those other retards writing pro AA in viewpoint in daily bruin. I've got like 8 pages on paper that i've written, and when i have time you will see my daily bruin article. Bwhahaha, i just looked at sendtrash's page and he's a filipino compsci major too. Man thats ironic. And man can he write a lot better than I.
One more thing. Favoring someone/something over someone else for just their race is racist. A lot of black people as an example seem to much rather have another black person admitted than a white person even if that white person was more qualified. That my friends is racism. I like the way asian girls look compared to other girls. I'm attracted to them more. Makes me racist too. I guess thats not to the degree of negative racism, most people associate racism, with but its a preference based on race. But i'm not gonna want some asian guy in here who is a moron just because he's asian. Just like i dont want unqualified minority in here either. We dont want people to judge a persons mind based on race, i really think its ok to judge someone's attractiveness due to race since i do it all the time. But their mind is a seperate thing from their body. The reason for this whole mind thing is if i talk to someone of any race and he's an idiot he's still an idiot and i will not talk to that person much longer. And i dont like to deal with incompetance but its hard to screen for incompetance. The admissions board tries to screen out people who are not as qualified thus getting best qualified. but hey they have limited resources. Hell maybe we should just have me interview everyone. That would be great.
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