Rep. John Shadegg: 'Unemployment recipients sit on money'

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Zebo

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Some people are sick in the head. Trickle down is certainly a fail because you can bet to lose, short sell, off shore jobs, invest in foriegn markets and a whole bunch of other stuff besides create a US job (I sure as hell am not doing it with no demand). But Unemployement? When you got rent and food to buy? Knowing Americans, spend thrift Americans, every dime is spent and probably they get a credit card and charge more! What a fool.
 

Zebo

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Don't worry, Helicopter Ben will make sure your salary continuously increases. :biggrin:

LOL problem is real wealth (Manufactured goods, Food, and stuff out of the ground) will cost many multiples of that increase.
 

Bird222

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Them sitting on it or spending it isn't helping anything. They are spending the money on necessities that they would be spending money on if they had a job.
To keep extending unemployment is to extend leeching off of the government tit. Some people are looking for work, but others aren't looking for work because they have a free ride now.

Is unemployment not based on your salary when you had a job? Unemployment seems to be a fraction of what you make at a job. How many of you could stand a 30% cut in pay right now (assuming that unemployment is giving you 70%)? I don't think most people are getting 70% of their previous pay from unemployment.
 

Dr. Zaus

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Assuming I'm not paying for housing? Well, going by my actual monthly budget without housing cost factored in:

$1350/month
- approx $120/month utilities
- $25/month car insurance
- approx $250/month food for just myself
- $35/month transportation cost (monthly bus fare)
- $20/month for unexpected crap

= $900 left over each month

I also have student loans, but I think I can defer that if I lost my job and claimed hardship. Even if I couldn't, that's only another $153/month, which would still leave me around $747/month that I can put in the bank for emergencies. $900 or even $747/month left over every month is more than what I was able to sock away every month when I first got out of college after taxes and everything.

For a single person like myself, very doable especially since I keep a strict budget every month already. Not sure how much a wife and kids would eat into the $900/$747 left over if I was married and spawned.

Like I said, single and attending university.

Also, I don't know where you live; but I live in the lowest cost of living metro in the US and for a wife and 2 kids things, if cut to the bone, break down like this:
Utilities: 200 (including internet, which is as essential as water)
Car insurance: 125 (Full + Gap, car debt)
Transportation: 300 (car payment + Gas, upside down on the car, like everyone)
Food: 2 babies take 400 a month wife and I eat on 450 a month

That's 1475; I was making ~ 2.5k a month, now unemployment pays ~1k which has put me in ever increasing credit card debt.

trickle down is certainly a fail
This is false; all sides of the economy should be looked at.
Is unemployment not based on your salary when you had a job? Unemployment seems to be a fraction of what you make at a job. How many of you could stand a 30% cut in pay right now (assuming that unemployment is giving you 70%)?
other way around in the beautiful state of Texas.
 
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Is unemployment not based on your salary when you had a job? Unemployment seems to be a fraction of what you make at a job. How many of you could stand a 30% cut in pay right now (assuming that unemployment is giving you 70%)? I don't think most people are getting 70% of their previous pay from unemployment.


I BELIEVE, it's 60%, and you're right. Imagine bringing home 40% less income, and survive, pay bills, buy food, etc. It's not a life a luxury, it's a struggle for survival.
 

sandmanwake

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Yes, single, but no, I'm not attending a university. Out of college and been working for several years now and have been paying all my own bills since even before college, so perhaps Capt Caveman who thinks I don't know the true cost of things maybe should start budgeting better or cut back on some expense if he thinks the monthly budget I'm living with now (excluding housing cost) is not realistic. Hell, I'm living a more luxurious lifestyle now than I ever did growing up or while in college and frankly I'm surprised that people are thinking it's not a realistic budget considering the budget given in my previous post is what I'm living off of every month now +/- approximately $50 and excluding rent (and I guess health insurance, but the money I'm budgeting to live off of every month is after health insurance has already been paid for since it's automatically taken out of my check).

I think the reason my car insurance is so much cheaper than what everyone else is quoting for theirs is I've got liability only. My car is so old that it doesn't make sense to get anything but liability only. Then again, I don't drive it that often anyway. This past weekend was the first time in close to six months I had to refill on gas since I usually take the bus or walk everywhere I need to go. Monthly bus pass is $35/month--a much better deal than having to spend $25+/week on gas for a car.

Regarding access charge for tv--no I don't pay for any cable tv access as I don't own a tv any more. Also, last I checked, one doesn't suddenly drop dead without cable tv; if it was me and I previously had cable prior to being unemployed, cable would be the first expense cut until I became employed again. Anyone who complains about not having money while still having cable gets no sympathy from me.

Cell phone?--Should not be a monthly charge if unemployed. I'm employed now and only have an emergency prepaid cell phone I top off with $10 every year to keep the number active, but otherwise it has no monthly charge. Prior to google voice allowing outgoing calls I had a landline and a phone card with minutes on it left over from college several years ago. I've since gotten rid of the landline, but you can get the bare minimum and it'll only cost $25/month max.

As far as clothes, car maintenance, and repairs for electrical stuff, all that is budgeted outside my monthly budget and are taken cared of by emergency funds that gets built up. Right now, if I lost my job and had zero income coming in, I could just live off my emergency funds for the next 5-6 years minimum if needed without any change in life style except for health insurance, which I'd no longer have an employer to pay part of for, but I can probably go without since I only have me to worry about. Also, who the heck budgets clothes as a monthly expense anyway? You buy new clothes every month? Hell, I've got clothes from high school I'm still wearing and only occasionally have to sew up any holes that show up. They're good enough to wear when not at work.

Toilet paper, glasses, toothpaste, etc.: These too are budgeted as occasional purchases outside my regular monthly budget and some of it can be bought in bulk to cut costs down, so no need to budget monthly for these things.

Dates--If you're unemployed, I'd think trying to save money for food and shelter till you get a job is more important than getting laid, but that's just me.

Utilities--Really you guys are spending over $120 per month just on heating alone (as single people)? Internet for me is $64/month but I can easily get a cheaper and slower plan for around $30/month if I wanted to save a bit. Heating, gas, and water for me in the six years I've lived in my apartment rarely went over $100 for the month combined and that was only last year when we got hit with heavy snow. This past month all three combined was under $60.

Heck, if need be I could do what I did during my early college days when I didn't have any money and just wear layers of clothes all the time and sleep with several blankets or just have a space heater in my tiny bedroom with all cracks insulated with old clothes to cut heating costs down even more. Most months I'm barely breaking $70/month on heating, water, and gas combined; some months I'm well below that.

Can't say anything about a monthly budget with respect to folks who have a wife and kids as I've never had to budget for such things, but if you're single and didn't have to pay for housing because you stopped paying your mortgage, $1350/month is doable even after paying taxes on the unemployment benefits. Put housing/rent cost back into the equation though, I'm short by about $500/month unless I moved or got a roommate since I'm paying $1300/month now in rent.
 
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Dekasa

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Heh, two people eating $450 in groceries a month is not "to the bone". Two people can eat comfortably on <$200, no problem.
 

theevilsharpie

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I would have to agree. It's unrealistic to expect that an average family that loses 1 stream of income can immediately downsize to the new budget constraint. Most people have fixed overhead that takes time to lower (houses, cars, food, healthcare, school etc. etc)

Speaking as a taxpayer, I don't see why I should be held responsible for the financial obligations of others. Emergency savings + 26 weeks of state unemployment should give a family plenty of time to adjust their budget to compensate for a reduced income. If it isn't, then that tells me that the family is living beyond their means, and a forced bankruptcy may be for the best.

Excuse me?
In the middle of the biggest economic crisis since the Great Depression?

I also agree that two years is way too much. Better would be to reduce it to 39 weeks and redeploy the funds for retraining and/or relocation programs.
 
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Hacp

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Lulz the max in Michigan is 1350/mo or 16K a year. That leaves a lot of disposable income...
So you're giving 16k a year to people, for free. They don't need to work! At all. Where is my 16k?
 

CallMeJoe

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So you're giving 16k a year to people, for free. They don't need to work! At all. Where is my 16k?
Why do you need $16K from the government when you probably steal that much from your roommate and relatives?

Also, shouldn't you wait 'til you've actually had a job before you ask for unemployment?
 
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Ok, now I have heard it all. In making the case for why extending the Bush tax cuts is more important for the economy than extending unemployment benefits; he actually said unemployed people will hold on to the money. WOW!!! Yeah, hold on to it long enough to drive to the store for some food. :rolleyes: How many unemployed people do you know that can afford to actually sit on those checks and NOT pump that money right back into the economy?

I dont know i have a cousin in Atlanta that is on unemployment. Her husband does work though. But she bitches about being broke etc, yet she has gone on 2 cruises in the last 2 months. Unemployment must not be THAT bad D:
 

MooseNSquirrel

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People people people, you have it all wrong!

According to well studied anecdotal evidence over at Fox News there are plenty of jobs out there its just that those unemployment benefits are so enticing that no one wants them.

See? This is how we will fix the economic mess.

1. Cut taxes to the rich.

2. Rich hire more gardeners thanks to new found wealth.

3. Cut ui benefits.

4. Larger applicant pool!

5. Depress wages.

6. Hire even more gardeners!

7. Full employment!


Your welcome.
 

Dr. Zaus

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We fix the economic mess by not screwing with the economy. The net present value of future cash flows is improved not just with real cash flows, but with the stability that comes from consistent rules.

How do you model the beta in an era of government bailouts?! I'll tell you this much, the answer is volatility.
 

ebaycj

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I BELIEVE, it's 60&#37;, and you're right. Imagine bringing home 40% less income, and survive, pay bills, buy food, etc. It's not a life a luxury, it's a struggle for survival.

I was on unemployment in 2008.

At the time my previous job was paying me 85k ($7000 per month).

I maxxed out the scales for unemployment and got an awesome $1280 per month ($320 per week), pre tax..


You guys talking about "percentages of previous salary" as unemployment benefits must either make next to nothing or be completely wrong. I'm going with the latter.
 

BansheeX

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Nevermind the bad assumption that the recipient is looking for a job which would end the payments. Let's assume disbursements were made in a one-time lump sum so as not to incentivize milking. You're still transferring money from a producing person, including empoyers, to a non-producing person. I don't see where the net benefit is coming from. It's the same garbage logic from the crowd that gave us the minimum wage. If the minimum wage worked, then the higher, the better. We should be able to set it at $100 and make everyone rich.
 

Capt Caveman

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I dont know i have a cousin in Atlanta that is on unemployment. Her husband does work though. But she bitches about being broke etc, yet she has gone on 2 cruises in the last 2 months. Unemployment must not be THAT bad D:

Different than when the sole wage earner is unemployed.
 

postmortemIA

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Sure, get laid off and see how long you can make ends meet with that being your sole source of income.
apparently they can. plus they can borrow on their credit cards, from their friends, etc - it is surviving, hoping future will be better.