Rep. Ilhan Omar slams Barack Obama's message of 'hope and change' as a 'mirage'

[s0me0nesmind1]

LOL

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Don't go digging for "facts" when you're searching for your bias bullshit that is so misleading that even Politifact had to call it out. You fucking dumbshit.

https://www.politifact.com/truth-o-...art-federal-spending-circulating-internet-mi/

 

[Homerboy]

LOL

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To be fair, that chart is the allocation of discretionary spending. Out of the entire $4.whatever trillion dollar budget the majority (something like 60%) is spent on Social Security, medicare and Medicaid.

But that being said, those items come out of special taxes (something like $900B of the $1T spent on social security - the Mandatory spending pool.
So, he's technically right that we spend most of the gov't money on social programs. But ignorant to the fact that that spending is not part of the discretionary spending that is allotted every year.

Edit: it can all be ripped apart here: https://www.thebalance.com/current-u-s-federal-government-spending-3305763

 

[SlowSpyder]

LOL

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Pretty sure that is only the discretionary budget. Look at all government spending. The picture completely changes.

 

[SlowSpyder]

To be fair, that chart is the allocation of discretionary spending. Out of the entire $4.whatever trillion dollar budget the majority (something like 60%) is spent on Social Security, medicare and Medicaid.

But that being said, those items come out of special taxes (something like $900B of the $1T spent on social security - the Mandatory spending pool.
So, he's technically right that we spend most of the gov't money on social programs. But ignorant to the fact that that spending is not part of the discretionary spending that is allotted every year.

Edit: it can all be ripped apart here: https://www.thebalance.com/current-u-s-federal-government-spending-3305763

I like how you guys pretend that a separate tax isn't tax, doesn't count. We spend more money on social programs than the military (by a lot). Fact, end of story. And there is no doubt that if we cut fat there, we will save more money than anywhere. Free phones, free healthcare, free college, free rent, food stamps, basic income. Don't worry freeloaders, I work, you can just take the money I make...

 

[Indus]

To be fair, that chart is the allocation of discretionary spending. Out of the entire $4.whatever trillion dollar budget the majority (something like 60%) is spent on Social Security, medicare and Medicaid.

But that being said, those items come out of special taxes (something like $900B of the $1T spent on social security - the Mandatory spending pool.
So, he's technically right that we spend most of the gov't money on social programs. But ignorant to the fact that that spending is not part of the discretionary spending that is allotted every year.

Edit: it can all be ripped apart here: https://www.thebalance.com/current-u-s-federal-government-spending-3305763

Ok but there's a ton of wasteful defense spending that we don't need. I'm sure if we want to trim the fat we can cut that instead of social security and health care which isn't wasteful 99% of the time.

 

[Jhhnn]

I like how you guys pretend that a separate tax isn't tax, doesn't count. We spend more money on social programs than the military (by a lot). Fact, end of story. And there is no doubt that if we cut fat there, we will save more money than anywhere. Free phones, free healthcare, free college, free rent, food stamps, basic income. Don't worry freeloaders, I work, you can just take the money I make...

So we should cut SS, Medicare & Medicaid? That's the vast, vast majority of what you're talking about.

What you're giving us is just the usual moralizing about work & the GOP whiplash treatment about cutting taxes & raging about spending.

Work? Judging from the amount of time you spend here it doesn't look like you're breaking your balls.

 

[Indus]

So we should cut SS, Medicare & Medicaid? That's the vast, vast majority of what you're talking about.

What you're giving us is just the usual moralizing about work & the GOP whiplash treatment about cutting taxes & raging about spending.

Work? Judging from the amount of time you spend here it doesn't look like you're breaking your balls.

LOL. We should let him do that, then see how fast the country rebels and has the French Revolution 2.0 on American soil as a response to that.

 

[SlowSpyder]

Thanks for your response. I don't understand your leading comment of "What war has Trump started?" at all. I never said or even implied that he started any war.
As for the rest, I completely and 100% disagree.

Not starting unnecessary wars is a good first step to not wasting money (or lives) through the military.

 

[zzyzxroad]

Are the Democrats at civil war?

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/re...obamas-message-of-hope-and-change-as-a-mirage

I'm not big on this woman, at all. But, it is good to see that at least one Democrat is upset at Obama for doing the SAME EXACT FUCKING THING that Trump was doing. Personally, I have no issue with separating illegal migrants and faux-asylum seekers that come with children. I'm against human trafficking.

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/ra...losi-over-resolution-to-condemn-anti-semitism

But the bigger issue here is that the Democrats are at a pivot point. The socialists gained a lot of steam over the last presidential election, promising ̶f̶r̶e̶e̶ tax payer funded services like childcare, healthcare, for losers that refuse to better themselves and do something with their lives. I think moderate Democrats are actually in tune with much of what mainstream America wants, but the very loud and gaining steam progressive liberal socialists are pulling the party significantly further left. Will the Democrats put a Biden or a Bernie forward as their candidate and the direction of their party?

Way to step up and take such a controversial stance on human trafficking. Here i thought i was the only person against it but here you are.

 

[Jhhnn]

Way to step up and take such a controversial stance on human trafficking. Here i thought i was the only person against it but here you are.

I thought the "faux asylum seekers that come with children" was really the best part. I mean fuck them little kids. Fuck 'em all. Hail Trump! Strong Leader! He alone can fix it! God wanted Trump to be President!

 

[Maxima1]

I like how you guys pretend that a separate tax isn't tax, doesn't count. We spend more money on social programs than the military (by a lot). Fact, end of story. And there is no doubt that if we cut fat there, we will save more money than anywhere. Free phones, free healthcare, free college, free rent, food stamps, basic income. Don't worry freeloaders, I work, you can just take the money I make...

A lot of the social spending in this country is ironically given to conservatives who bitch constantly about the government giving money to the poors. Military ironically is a part of this in a lot of ways. e.g. very lenient disability system (more so than SSI/SSDI), duplicative retirement and disability payments, very early retirement with COLAs, lifetime TRICARE, etc.

 

[zzyzxroad]

I thought the "faux asylum seekers that come with children" was really the best part. I mean fuck them little kids. Fuck 'em all. Hail Trump! Strong Leader! He alone can fix it! God wanted Trump to be President!

Word on the street is they're all crisis actors paid by Soros.

 

[darkswordsman17]

I've regularly seen people point out things like how Obama deported a lot of people, and other issues they had with how the government acted while he was President. I don't think I've seen a single person that has said Obama was perfect and didn't do anything wrong, even from people that supported him. This is hardly some revelation that people, especially certain Democrats weren't pleased that he didn't do more or did things that enabled bad shit (for instance I think he enabled some of the rampant police seizure shit, and also the military selling shit to police forces although I don't believe that stuff started with him; plus yes he didn't do more to stop the ridiculously overwrought NSA and other programs). Of course they can see things for being more complex, and don't turn into a frothing mouthed psychopath that just got done swimming in a pool of liquid PCP after setting themself on fire so they can go shout about evil Democrats.

I have no issues pointing out problems with Democrats. But the thing is, I can also compare it to the glut of awful stuff that Republicans have been doing, that is objectively far worse. The more bad things you try and blame Obama and Democrats for, the more it reveals how comparatively objectively worse Republicans have been and how they're openly trying to do worse while outright admitting they want to fuck people over, because of howling shitheads like yourself. Your so full of blind ignorant hate that you'll gladly eat shit and harm yourself, just so long as you can cackle that some other people are hurt too. At first it was funny because I genuinely didn't think someone would be that way, then it was WTF as you've shown just how much you want to harm other people just for existing, now its just sad, because its become a fullblown legit mental illness for you and if it hasn't already, is going to make your life a living hell. Unfortunately, you can recognize that, but because of the twisted logic of your mind, it'll just reinforce your hatred for the wrong people and enable those that are doing it to you to just turn the screws harder. And they'll smile in your face and you'll smile back because they've been able to manipulate you and turn you into an unquestioning acolyte for them.

 

[Thebobo]

LOL

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To be clear that's just discretionary spending

 

[Indus]

To be clear that's just discretionary spending

Ah okay.

 

[Vic]

I like how you guys pretend that a separate tax isn't tax, doesn't count. We spend more money on social programs than the military (by a lot). Fact, end of story. And there is no doubt that if we cut fat there, we will save more money than anywhere. Free phones, free healthcare, free college, free rent, food stamps, basic income. Don't worry freeloaders, I work, you can just take the money I make...

The only social programs we spend more money on than the military are Social Security and Medicare for the elderly. The recipients of these programs generally receive benefits that are in direct proportion to how much they paid in during their working years. Is that the fat you want to cut? Are these people who pay hundreds of thousands of dollars in taxes so that they can receive these retirement benefits the ones you are calling freeloaders?

Behold, ATPN, the real Republican agenda laid bare.

 

[brandonbull]

Propaganda parrot is at it again. Get back to your vodka, bitch.

The party of tolerance is just that. They seem to tolerate and support racists and terrorists. I'm enjoying watching the Democratic party sink while useful idiots like zinfamous are on deck still playing the music. Nothing to see here. LOL!

 

[sportage]

Democrats are not at war. And the Fox delusion of hope for exactly that just more Fox delusion.
Fox and friend (Donald Trump) would "hope" it were so, that democrats are so divided they could never rally to beat Donald Trump come 2020.
WRONG!
As someone recently said, democrats can multi function.
Fox can't even wipe their backside unless Donald gives the ok.

 

[darkswordsman17]

The only social programs we spend more money on than the military are Social Security and Medicare for the elderly. The recipients of these programs generally receive benefits that are in direct proportion to how much they paid in during their working years. Is that the fat you want to cut? Are these people who pay hundreds of thousands of dollars in taxes so that they can receive these retirement benefits the ones you are calling freeloaders?

Behold, ATPN, the real Republican agenda laid bare.

Well duh, they should've been letting the free market grift them instead! There's totally never been problems with relying on money put into something like the stock market, its been so stable, and there's not been any problems there.

 

[Vic]

The party of tolerance is just that. They seem to tolerate and support racists and terrorists. I'm enjoying watching the Democratic party sink while useful idiots like zinfamous are on deck still playing the music. Nothing to see here. LOL!

Says the same fucking idiot (with comment liked by the other fucking idiot) who constantly rant about liberals not being tolerant of racists (because being intolerant of intolerance makes liberals 'the real racists').
But now they're suddenly tolerant of racists? Typical wingnut hypocrisy, nonstop liars. Nothing to see here. LOL!

 

[Vic]

Well duh, they should've been letting the free market grift them instead! There's totally never been problems with relying on money put into something like the stock market, its been so stable, and there's not been any problems there.

The heart of the Republican agenda isn't to privatize Social Security, but to eliminate it entirely while still keeping the payroll tax, which is the perfect flat tax.
That's why Slow the Clown referred to Social Security beneficiaries, people who have paid into Social Security their entire working lives, as freeloaders. How dare they demand to get back what they paid for and were promised?

 

[JEDIYoda]

You've just made a caricature of everything and attack that caricature as if it were reality. This is emotion, not logic that you are using.

No one is arguing for $2 min wage. No one is arguing to abolish healthcare (wtf?) The right isn't promoting racist policies that are anti civil rights, like the left is.

You are the one drinking the koolaid, bud.

You are either blind to the obvious or you are juast trolling the heck out of everybody!!

 

[JEDIYoda]

That's why Slow the Clown referred to Social Security beneficiaries, people who have paid into Social Security their entire working lives, as freeloaders. How dare they demand to get back what they paid for and were promised?

Well said!!

 

[woolfe9998]

You can find legit pie charts which cover all spending. They're all over the place. "Food and agriculture" - which contains more than just food stamps - is 4% of the total, not 1%.

Just look at the chart in the politifact article debunking the other chart.

https://www.politifact.com/truth-o-...art-federal-spending-circulating-internet-mi/

Either way, food stamps (AKA SNAP) costs about $70 billion. It's around 1/10th of our current military budget.

https://www.nationalpriorities.org/budget-basics/federal-budget-101/spending/

 

[LightPattern]

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In a very ironic twist, supporting those social programs and policies will help the citizens in the red states way more than those in the blue states. Here are the dems trying to help out the very people that likley voted against them.

Thankfully some red state voters are wisening up on healthcare. In 2018 – Idaho, Nebraska & Utah voted to expand Medicaid to the working poor.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/nati...31dcd53ca6b_story.html?utm_term=.38d4bc2050a5