News Remember Trump’s John Durham investigation? Turns out it was complete BS

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Oh please let us know! I'm sure he will have a crowd sourced excuse or conspiracy. Like Durham is part of the seep state.
Remind me and I will.
He may not attend bunch of us meet up on Saturday.
Call me to this thread on Saturday if I forget. I do have a busy day so response will happen it likely will be delayed.
 

you2

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The dossier was never intended to be a report. It was a compilation of raw intel and as with all raw intel hasn't been fully vetted.
Yes but i think i sort of said that - though it is true you said it better and in more detail.
 

eelw

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Former FBI deputy director Andrew McCabe totally stomping all over this report.
 

you2

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They are taught not to think for themselves as that would give them control over their own minds, something of which their political leaders are always attempting to prevent from happening. So when confronted with the need to actually think for themselves as a Republican, all they can respond with are the usual talking points issued to them by their political cadre or get confused and tongue tied when asked questions that would provoke the need for abstract thinking.

Those folks are conditioned to have others do their thinking for them. Critical thinking skills become victim to atrophy, which is exactly the mindset scammers like Trump and DeSantis imbue their followers with.
And this is what makes them 'idiot' though perhaps idiot isn't the proper term to describe them. Mindless? Robotic ? Slaves? Whatever term...
 

dank69

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I don’t buy the idea that they are rubes led around by the nose. If anything I think the opposite - Fox News is clearly terrified by their audience. Their audience demands lies so conservative media supplies lies.
While it's clearly push pull in both directions lately the direction of flow is still majority towards the audience. Fox and other conservative media outlets still exert a ton of influence. Most of their audience doesn't stand a chance against modern mass psychology.
 
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Talk about getting the last word in after anybody stopped caring…Naturally, Trump is already spouting off about how this acquits him of colluding with Russia. The headlines said “Special Counsel slams FBI” instead of “Special Trump Counsel Has Jack Shit, Slams Door on Petulant Tantrum.”

Durham has, after 4 years, and millions of dollars, one misdemeanor conviction, and 2 laughable prosecutions that he lost at trial, has had his report released to the public. Finally, the deep state conspiracy is revealed. Or it could be 306 pages of the partisan hackery we’ve come to expect from Durham.

And another career willingly dragged through the mud for Trump. Everything he touches.
 
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hal2kilo

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The 'steele dossier' was never completed and should never have been a part of this mess; i forget the details of how it ended up in FBI hands but vaguely I think someone forced its premature release. From day one the author said it was unconfirmed intelligence with some sections having low probability of accuracy and others more likely (though these details were ignored by all involved from day one).
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What I don't like about Durham final report is that it gives just a meat for the republicans to run wild. Someone in the Trump campaign was clearly in touch with someone who had access to the Russian hackers who stole the dnc data since they knew the time frame 'stuff' was going to be released and Trump was able to state such on live tv. I'm not with the FBI so i don't know if this fact alone is enough to warrant an investigation but it is pretty shitty behavior to openly encourage and talk about foreign interference.

Anyway it is what it is and we've come to the point where the Republican party if the party that openly support lawless behavior.
The asshole relitigates the case on his way out the door. How very Barr of him.
 
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hal2kilo

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Talk about getting the last word in after anybody stopped caring…Naturally, Trump is already spouting off about how this acquits him of colluding with Russia. The headlines said “Special Counsel slams FBI” instead of “Special Trump Counsel Has Jack Shit, Slams Door on Petulant Tantrum.”

Durham has, after 4 years, and millions of dollars, one misdemeanor conviction, and 2 laughable prosecutions that he lost at trial, has had his report released to the public. Finally, the deep state conspiracy is revealed. Or it could be 306 pages of the partisan hackery we’ve come to expect from Durham.

And another career willingly dragged through the mud for Trump. Everything he touches.
Yep, years and years as a respected prosecutor trashed in one politically motivated investigation.
 

hal2kilo

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Oh, look more F'ery by the GYM Weaponization of Government Hearing. Maybe we need a separate thread. Anyway, it turns out one of the non legal whisleblowers was paid by Kash Patel after he was suspended from the FBI.

Here's a link

 
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Oh, look more F'ery by the GYM Weaponization of Government Hearing. Maybe we need a separate thread. Anyway, it turns out one of the non legal whisleblowers was paid by Kash Patel after he was suspended from the FBI.

Here's a link

Of course how else were the republicans going to find 'whistleblowers' ?
 

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Not sure who thought it was a good idea to have Durham as a House witness. He's getting dissected. Coming across as a Partisan hack.
 
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Not sure who thought it was a good idea to have Durham as a House witness. He's getting dissected. Coming across as a Partisan hack.
Well... we know what the republicans wanted to happen - the make the DOJ look bias against conservative. But like many republican plans they backfire. The amazing thing is this time the republicans risked allowing democrats to question the witness; as they frequently lock the democrats out from cross examination.
 

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Apparently Durham got caught in a lie about his own investigation's sourcing within the first few minutes of his public testimony. Doh. Will have to more adequately source this--but the gist I got is that in the closed-door hearing Tuesday, Durham said some things that didn't fit the GOP narrative, and he had to be reminded of those things in the public hearing which is nothing but window dressing to Jim Jordan's ego.
 
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UNCjigga

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OMG, Schiff EVISCERATED Durham and made him look so bad…that Jim Jordan immediately moved to another censure resolution against Schiff!!!!

The hearing is literally now just another censure vote against Schiff.

Edit: OMG THIS IS SOO GOOOD!! Schiff just got Durham to admit that he CIRCUMVENTED A COURT ORDER to get private comms from a potential witness. In other words, the court DENIED Durham’s request and he went ahead and got access to the records anyway.

In case you forgot, THE ENTIRE DURHAM INVESTIGATION and GOP case against Crossfire Hurricane is about misusing the courts to gather surveillance.

This is why the House moved immediately to censure Schiff again. Can’t handle the truth.

 
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But my Mommy likes me!



John Durham draws applause for rebuttal to Democratic attacks on his 'damaged' reputation

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Special counsel John Durham defended himself against a barrage of attacks from House Democrats Wednesday, saying the only views of his reputation he values are those from the people he respects, his family,
 

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It’s official. The investigation into Trumps Russia connection was justified. The phrase Russia hoax has been proven not to be true.

There was evidence of Trumps connection to Russia but it wasn’t enough to win a case beyond reasonable doubt so Mueller didn’t bring it. As Adam Schiff explains Mueller did the opposite of Durham. That why his 2 cases lost bigly. In fact I remember one juror said the Durham case was a waste of our time
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Watched a clip of one of Schiff's demolition of Durham again. Realized Druahm was trying to throw the fact that Schiff got a prank call by some fake Russians in his face. Schiff reported the call to the FBI. Ut was really out of bounds and made clear Durham was nothing more than a hack.

 
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Watched a clip of one of Schiff's demolition of Durham again. Realized Druahm was trying to throw the fact that Schiff got a prank call by some fake Russians in his face. Schiff reported the call to the FBI. Ut was really out of bounds and made clear Durham was nothing more than a hack.

Yep, Durham lied to congress.


This meeting signaled to Moscow that the Trump camp was receptive to Russian endeavors to intervene in the election to boost Trump’s chances, and Schiff expressed surprise that Durham found it insignificant. “Are you really trying to diminish the importance of what happened here?” he asked.

Durham answered: “The more complete story is that they met, and it was a ruse, and they didn’t talk about Mrs. Clinton.”



That is not true.

The report produced by special counsel Robert Mueller notes that the Russian emissary, a lawyer named Natalia Veselnitskaya, did discuss Clinton: “Participants agreed that Veselnitskaya stated that the Ziff brothers [an American family investment firm] had broken Russian laws and had donated their profits to the DNC or the Clinton Campaign. She asserted that the Ziff brothers had engaged in tax evasion and money laundering in both the United States and Russia.” (There was no evidence that Ziff Brothers Investments had engaged in wrongdoing.)

The Mueller report points out that Trump Jr. zeroed in on this: “Trump Jr. asked follow-up questions about how the alleged payments could be tied specifically to the Clinton Campaign, but Veselnitskaya indicated that she could not trace the money once it entered the United States.” The report quotes a participant in the meeting recalling “that Trump Jr. asked what they [the Russians] have on Clinton.”

Durham’s characterization of the meeting—that it had nothing to do with Clinton—lined up with what the Trump camp first claimed when the meeting was revealed a year afterward, in 2017. At that time, Trump Jr. issued a false statement dictated by his father that insisted the conversation had focused “primarily” on the adoption of Russian children by Americans. That was a phony cover story. Later on, when more information came out, even the elder Trump conceded that the point of the meeting was to gather negative information on Clinton from a foreign adversary. “This was a meeting to get information on an opponent,” Trump said. Yet years later, Durham was still pushing the original disinformation about the meeting propagated by Trump and his allies.

In a subsequent exchange with Rep. Tom McClintock (R-Calif.), Durham misled the committee about another key element of the Trump-Russia scandal. McClintock observed that the “central charge in the Russia collusion hoax was that Trump campaign operatives were in contact with Russian intelligence sources.”





Replying to that remark, Durham said, “There was no such evidence.”

That’s not true.

While running Trump’s campaign in the summer of 2016, Manafort had regular contact with Konstantin Kilimnik, a former Manafort employee in Ukraine who has been repeatedly identified by US government officials as a Russian agent.

In a detailed, bipartisan 2020 report, the Senate Intelligence Committee, then chaired by Republican Sen. Marco Rubio, called Kilimnik “a Russian intelligence officer.” A year earlier, the Mueller report said, “The FBI…assesses that Kilimnik has ties to Russian intelligence.” The US Treasury in 2021 declared Kilimnik was a “known Russian Intelligence Services agent implementing influence operations on their behalf.” The department added, “During the 2016 U.S. presidential election campaign, Kilimnik provided the Russian Intelligence Services with sensitive information on polling and campaign strategy.” In 2018, Mueller indicted Kilimnik on charges of obstruction of justice.

The contacts between Manafort and Kilimnik have been well chronicled by Mueller, the Senate Intelligence Committee, and media reports. Durham should be well-versed in this. Manafort and Kilimnik met secretly in a Manhattan cigar bar. Manafort handed Kilimnik Trump campaign polling data that were to be passed to an oligarch close to Russian leader Vladimir Putin, and he arranged to continue sharing sensitive campaign information through Kilimnik.

Kilimnik also wanted something from Manafort. He asked Manafort to secure Trump’s backing for a Kremlin-approved “peace plan” for Ukraine that would have entailed creating an autonomous zone in eastern Ukraine, a scheme Manafort knew would offer a “’backdoor’ means for Russia to control eastern Ukraine,” according to the Senate report. This sounds like an early attempt to gain Trump’s assistance in securing what Russia later invaded Ukraine to obtain.
 
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