Remember the futuristic elevated bus/train from china that floated over traffic? What becomes of it?

Svnla

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It becomes a dud and left for dead. Another example of all big talk and nothing to show.

The optics of the ambitious accomplishment have largely been shaped by a series of design oversights. For starters, the clearance under the bus is substantially lower than the height of vehicles allowed on most roads in the country. The train could also cause serious damage to roads, traffic lights and other infrastructure. This is not to mention accusations of illegal crowdfunding and failures to disclose proper information to investors. All of this led to a complete halt in testing.

https://techcrunch.com/2016/12/08/c...-that-floats-above-traffic-now-lies-deserted/
 

senseamp

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Seemed like a stupid concept when I saw it.
That said, China has a lot to show when it comes to public transportation infrastructure. They got high sped rail (even maglev) way ahead of the US.
 

mrjminer

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Seemed like a stupid concept when I saw it.
That said, China has a lot to show when it comes to public transportation infrastructure. They got high sped rail (even maglev) way ahead of the US.

It's a cool concept, but something that would need to be planned out when the road itself was built to avoid having to re-construct everything around it.
 

1prophet

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Seemed like a stupid concept when I saw it.
That said, China has a lot to show when it comes to public transportation infrastructure. They got high sped rail (even maglev) way ahead of the US.

Alot to show indeed, a country that many apologists claim needs to evolve when it comes to pollution and many basic rights taken for granted in developed countries but have no problem bypassing all that costly evolution when it comes to technology.

http://fortune.com/2013/04/15/did-china-steal-japans-high-speed-train/

The company that makes Japan’s legendary Shinkansen bullet trains certainly regrets working in China.


FORTUNE — One China defender recently claimed his countryman’s “bandit innovators” could be good for the world. That was small consolation for the Japanese, who say that China pirated their world-famous bullet train technology.

“Don’t worry too much about Chinese companies imitating you, they are creating value for you down the road,” said Li Daokui, a leading Chinese economist at the Institute for New Economic Thinking’s conference. Such “bandit innovators,” he expanded, would eventually grow the market, leading to benefits for everybody.

Kawasaki Heavy Industries (KHI), maker of Japan’s legendary Shinkansen bullet trains, bitterly disagrees. After signing technology transfers with CSR Sifang, the builder of China’s impressive, new high-speed rail, KHI says it deeply regrets its now-dissolved partnership. It planned to sue its previously junior partner for patent infringement, but it backed down recently.

Risk analyst Michal Meidan of Eurasia Group believes KHI is wise to drop the IP suit and stay out of China. “Every firm working in the high-tech space in China should be aware of the risks related to weak IP protection in the country but often has few choices but to go into these agreements if it wants to gain market share there,” she says. “The intense competition prompts companies to make concessions on technology transfers, as the Chinese are very good at playing off the competition.”

What could drive the normally unlitigious Japanese into such a frenzy? Not only did China copy their technology, say the Japanese, after patenting remarkably similar high-speed-rail (HSR) tech, CSR now wants to sell it to the rest of the world — as Chinese made. Both Japanese and European rail firms now find themselves frozen out and competing with their former Chinese collaborators for new contracts, inside and outside China.

With a diminishing domestic market, Japan’s train industry is hoping to pick up orders abroad for its HSR. Before China stepped in, undercutting Japanese offers by about half, Japan looked very attractive to foreign buyers with its record for fast, reliable train systems.

With more than 300 million annual riders, Japan’s Shinkansen — 50 years old next year — trains carry more passengers than those of any other HSR system. It has suffered no fatal accidents. The U.K. was impressed enough to complete a 540 billion yen deal with Hitachi, which also builds Shinkansen, to supply bullet trains by 2016.



The Motherland of train travel is not alone. Everyone is shopping around for high-speed solutions including the U.S., as the $180 billion global rail industry continues to boom.

Outside of Britain, Japan could easily find itself edged out by the Chinese competition. This makes KHI’s Harada Takuma, who worked on the Chinese collaboration, very angry. Under the licensing agreements with KHI, China’s use of the expertise and blueprints to develop high-speed railway cars was to be limited to domestic application, he explains. “We didn’t think it was not risky. But we took on the project because terms and conditions under the tech transfer should have been binding. We had a legal agreement; we felt safe.”

The Chinese authorities, for their part, see no problem. As Beijing busies itself filing for HSR patents abroad, it claims China developed her own HSR based on Japanese and German technologies which it claims were merely “digested.” When it was suggested that China trains were mere knockoffs at a press conference in China recently, the Ministry of Railways spokesman asserted that China’s HSR was far superior to Japan’s Shinkansen, and that the two “cannot be mentioned in the same breath.”

Others, such as a few Chinese engineers, have admitted no real innovation. That they were “just standing on the shoulders of giants” as one rail technician put it. Wherever the truth lies exactly, KHI’s train technology transfer saga is unlikely to be over soon.


"This makes KHI’s Harada Takuma, who worked on the Chinese collaboration, very angry. Under the licensing agreements with KHI, China’s use of the expertise and blueprints to develop high-speed railway cars was to be limited to domestic application, he explains. “We didn’t think it was not risky. But we took on the project because terms and conditions under the tech transfer should have been binding. We had a legal agreement; we felt safe.”

The Chinese authorities, for their part, see no problem. As Beijing busies itself filing for HSR patents abroad, it claims China developed her own HSR based on Japanese and German technologies which it claims were merely “digested.” When it was suggested that China trains were mere knockoffs at a press conference in China recently, the Ministry of Railways spokesman asserted that China’s HSR was far superior to Japan’s Shinkansen, and that the two “cannot be mentioned in the same breath.”"



Really, all these supposed brilliant CEO's thinking doing business in China is safe for their intellectual properties and then cry the blues when they find out the Chinese digest their technologies and no longer need them?

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But then again maybe the Chinese feel justified because of all those years the West and Japan occupied them and referred to China as the "sick man of Asia"
 

agent00f

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Alot to show indeed, a country that many apologists claim needs to evolve when it comes to pollution and many basic rights taken for granted in developed countries but have no problem bypassing all that costly evolution when it comes to technology.

http://fortune.com/2013/04/15/did-china-steal-japans-high-speed-train/




"This makes KHI’s Harada Takuma, who worked on the Chinese collaboration, very angry. Under the licensing agreements with KHI, China’s use of the expertise and blueprints to develop high-speed railway cars was to be limited to domestic application, he explains. “We didn’t think it was not risky. But we took on the project because terms and conditions under the tech transfer should have been binding. We had a legal agreement; we felt safe.”

The Chinese authorities, for their part, see no problem. As Beijing busies itself filing for HSR patents abroad, it claims China developed her own HSR based on Japanese and German technologies which it claims were merely “digested.” When it was suggested that China trains were mere knockoffs at a press conference in China recently, the Ministry of Railways spokesman asserted that China’s HSR was far superior to Japan’s Shinkansen, and that the two “cannot be mentioned in the same breath.”"



Really, all these supposed brilliant CEO's thinking doing business in China is safe for their intellectual properties and then cry the blues when they find out the Chinese digest their technologies and no longer need them?

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But then again maybe the Chinese feel justified because of all those years the West and Japan occupied them and referred to China as the "sick man of Asia"

It's hardly a secret that china's open JV policy offers market access for IP, except maybe to the typically clueless authors of these pieces. Funny when so many foreign businesses are established in china that only the failed ventures find something to complain about. Also rather ironic that the Japanese are crying foul when they were considered the land of cheap copies during their own development years.
 
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I thought it was a stupid idea. I wondered how it would get over a bus, a truck or a flatbed carrying something wide. I also found it strange that China didn't have any hanging signs or traffic lights or bridges.
 

kranky

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Alot to show indeed, a country that many apologists claim needs to evolve when it comes to pollution and many basic rights taken for granted in developed countries but have no problem bypassing all that costly evolution when it comes to technology.

Used to work for a company that sold a certain type of system. The Chinese started buying in the 1980's. "Partnering" was the term. They sent engineers over to work with ours. I found two of them at a copier at 6AM one day copying stacks of documents. Notified VP, he thanked me but cautioned not to antagonize them - "giant potential market" and all that.

Continued to sell projects there. With each new project came a requirement for more and more of the work to be done in China. First it was just installing delivered systems. Next, they tested and installed the delivered systems. Next, they assembled the systems we designed and provided material for. Next they started manufacturing some of the material. Hmmm, wonder why they don't buy any stuff any more. Oh, it's because they figured out how to make it themselves and design the systems. Guess who now is a competitor for new work, at dirt-cheap prices?