Remember How the Brazilians Wanted to Steal AIDS Drugs?

[BDawg]

Apparently, a senator wants to do the same for Cipro and us.

<a target=new class=ftalternatingbarlinklarge href="http://money.cnn.com/2001/10/16/news/generic_cipro/">U.S. Sen. Charles Schumer, D- New York, said Tuesday a generic version of ciproflaxin, the antibiotic used to treat anthrax, should be made available immediately for government use even though German drugmaker BayerAG holds the patent for the drug. In response, Bayer promised to increase production and make 200 million tablets over the next three months, officials said.(Full story)
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I didn't think it was cool for the Brazilians to take our AIDS drugs and make their own, and I don't see how the situation changes when it's our problem (anthrax) and someone else's drug (Bayer's Cipro).

 

[GL]

Sounds like his pockets are being lined by generic drug manufacturers.

 

[tcsenter]

Good old gun-grabbing Chuckie Schumer, a typical lefty who thinks companies that spend billions on drug development and research are evil for wanting a return on that investment. I watched a Congressional hearing on generic drugs and the FDA, it was pathetic how some Senators demonized innovator companies and hailed copy-cat companies who develop no new drugs, do no new drug research, as if they were some sort of public interest company and not a for-profit company. Sickening.

You know, there are times I want to see these people get their way; i.e. live in 'their' ideal world for a few months. Our drug research would be 50 years behind what it is today, I might even get a giggle if one of their children were to die because a drug wasn't available that currently is today. But, then I realize children whose parents aren't political asswipes would get caught-up, too.

 

[Tauren]

<< should be made available immediately for government use >>



Atleast he's covering his own ass.

 

[SuperTool]

Bayer used slave labor, and conducted horrendous medical experiments on Jews in concentration camps in WW2. They can b!tch about it being unfair all they want, but I am not going to shed a tear if someone copied their drugs. It's time they pay back the humanity for what they have done.
As far as letting people die of AIDS because they can't afford expensive brand name drugs, or making cheap "illegal" generic copies of these drugs, I am not going to fault Brazil for their decision. Look how quick these drug companies got in line and lowered their prices.

 

[Rakkis]

<claps>
it's nice to see hypocrisy in our government come out so plainly
:disgust:

 

[ggavinmoss]

How about we start using other, non-copyrighted anit-biotics. There are others that are widely available and just as effective as ciprofloxin.

-geoff

 

[tcsenter]

<< How about we start using other, non-copyrighted anit-biotics. There are others that are widely available and just as effective as ciprofloxin. >>

None are FDA approved for anthrax.

<< Bayer used slave labor, and conducted horrendous medical experiments on Jews in concentration camps in WW2. >>

Source?

 

[SuperTool]

http://www.cnn.com/US/9910/05/nazi.labor/

 

[tcsenter]

<< Bayer used slave labor, and conducted horrendous medical experiments on Jews in concentration camps in WW2 >>

Ah, so allegations are now "fact". Ok. It seems to me Bayer is participating in the compensation process. Many companies were 'co-opted' by Nazi officials in Germany. Chase Bank for instance LOST control of its Paris branch when a manager who sympathized with the Nazi's cut ties with the Citibank's HQ. If I come over to your house, beat you up and take your car, does that obligate you to be liable for any harm I do with your car? You're weird.

 

[Nemesis77]

<< Bayer used slave labor, and conducted horrendous medical experiments on Jews in concentration camps in WW2. They can b!tch about it being unfair all they want, but I am not going to shed a tear if someone copied their drugs. >>



by your logic I could say "Americans are responsible of killing thousands on native americans and using million blacks as slave-labour. I'm not going to shed a tear if someone rams a jet-airliner in to WTC".

What happened with nazis happened long ago, get over it. The people working today at Bayer had nothing to do with alleged nazi-ties.

 

[Sir Fredrick]

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<< Bayer used slave labor, and conducted horrendous medical experiments on Jews in concentration camps in WW2. They can b!tch about it being unfair all they want, but I am not going to shed a tear if someone copied their drugs. >>



by your logic I could say "Americans are responsible of killing thousands on native americans and using million blacks as slave-labour. I'm not going to shed a tear if someone rams a jet-airliner in to WTC".

What happened with nazis happened long ago, get over it. The people working today at Bayer had nothing to do with alleged nazi-ties. >>



My thoughts exactly.

 

[tcsenter]

<< None are FDA approved for anthrax. >>

My mistake, there are a few other antibiotics approved for anthrax treatment. The news is gonna release the list coming up.

 

[Amused]

<< Bayer used slave labor, and conducted horrendous medical experiments on Jews in concentration camps in WW2. They can b!tch about it being unfair all they want, but I am not going to shed a tear if someone copied their drugs. It's time they pay back the humanity for what they have done.
As far as letting people die of AIDS because they can't afford expensive brand name drugs, or making cheap "illegal" generic copies of these drugs, I am not going to fault Brazil for their decision. Look how quick these drug companies got in line and lowered their prices. >>



Was anyone at Bayer during WWII still there today? Are Bayer's stock holders all former nazis?

Of course not, yet you'd punish them for the crimes of their grandfathers.

I find it amazing how socialists never recognize how destructive their line of thinking would be, were it to become policy. If you start stealing patented drugs, the drug companies no longer have any incentive to develop new drugs. --If your policy ever becomes law, tune in to hear me say, "Congratulations... in your effort to be altruistic, you've killed millions."

 

[Jfur]

I see the point. Company profits are held so high above human life. Now that the tables are turned on us, we are willing to make exceptions I am sure we could come up with a way to get the drugs (for this and other health concerns) and still make sure that companies are not robbed of incentives to create them...

 

[Martin]

the difference is, the US govment has the money to pay Bayer AND anthrax is only a scare, not an epidemic.


Brazil doesnt have the money for expensive drugs (neither to their citizens) and more than 6 brazilians have AIDS......

 

[Cyberian]

I listened to Shumer's speech(taped), and I thought he wanted the 'generic' Cipro stockpiled for true emergency use only, allowing Bayer to sell as much as it could on the open market.

Hasn't Bayer's patent also been the subject of a lawsuit going back way past 09/11/01?