Relocation / Promotion questions - IT Operations Manager

[BoberFett]

As a Director, would you then have manager reporting to you? What's the size of the entire structure you'd be managing? Anywhere between $120-150K could be reasonable.

Don't focus on the multiplier from your current wage. Figure out what that position is worth to the company, and what it would cost them for an outside hire, and start there.

 

[pac1085]

I would not be a director - title would be manager level. Most sites do not have IT Managers - but instead Sr level technicians who act as the 'site leads'. I would be reporting to Director of IT Operations - Americas, who then reports to Sr VP of IT Operations - Global who rolls up to the CTO.

Entire structure... lets see.. 3,300 workstations with 25 unique clients(companies we perform the outsourced work for, including several fortune 100's..) across 6 facilities

I ended up asking for double my current salary. They did not reply yet. We'll see. A little less than that would be enough to get me down there comfortably... for now

 

[BoberFett]

Ah, my bad, reading fail.

By structure, I'm not talking about how many seats there are in the company. What is your actual reporting structure? Do you have 20 direct reports scattered around the map? Or do you have a handful of front line managers as direct reports with several direct reports each? Managing managers is usually worth more?

Even still, as a technical manager of that many employees, that's worth at least $100K IMO.

 

[LegendKiller]

Sadly, no company is going to really double anyone's salary. Even giving 60% is out of the question really.

Shoot for a 30% raise, hope for 20% if you believe in the opportunity.

lol

I have doubled my comp 3 times in my career by switching new jobs. I might do it again in another 2 months.

 

[alkemyst]

lol

I have doubled my comp 3 times in my career by switching new jobs. I might do it again in another 2 months.

doubt it at the same COMPANY.

nice edit to get out the insults.

 

[LegendKiller]

doubt it at the same COMPANY.

nice edit to get out the insults.

Twice at the same company, once outside it.

 

[alkemyst]

Sadly, your absolute knowledge of every company out there is wrong...again. Companies do double salaries and give 60% or more...if the candidate is the right candidate.

You shoot for the highest number and negotiate from there. You have a bottom that you won't go below, they have a ceiling they won't go over. Good knowledge and good negotiating will allow you to get to the right number.

My personal experience is as follows:

- I've made 5 moves in 15 years at my current company. Average compensation increase each move was in excess of 30%...average. One move alone was in excess of 50%.

- I've personally had people reporting up through me that performed well above expectation and were promoted with significant increases. 2 in 15 years were in excess of 80% increases.

- 2 people I've worked with directly over the years were promoted straight from Mgr to VP with company reorgs...both doubled salary over a 180-day period.

None of your claims were over 60% and nothing doubling your salary.

I am sure at the low end would possibly get a 80% raise at times.

I am sure some Mgr to VP doubled their salary.

I doubt you know all them personally as it's very rare.

You always post to defy me, and this is another one of those times. I bolded your story telling redundancy.

 

[alkemyst]

Twice at the same company, once outside it.

Please explain...this should be rich.

 

[LegendKiller]

Please explain...this should be rich.

What's there to explain? Got a promotion at the first company that enticed me to stay. Second time was through the crisis when banks were getting hammered for paying bonuses. So what did they do? Increased salary instead. That was a nice "bonus" in of itself because they were increased mid-year and retroactive.

Happened all over the street.

Third time was switching jobs and doubled the bank comp. Easier job, better hours, double the pay.

Now I'm thinking of going to a fund.

 

[alkemyst]

What's there to explain? Got a promotion at the first company that enticed me to stay. Second time was through the crisis when banks were getting hammered for paying bonuses. So what did they do? Increased salary instead. That was a nice "bonus" in of itself because they were increased mid-year and retroactive.

Happened all over the street.

Third time was switching jobs and doubled the bank comp. Easier job, better hours, double the pay.

Now I'm thinking of going to a fund.

Wow so getting hammered paying bonuses...just make that bonus part of your annual compensation...year after year and then give raises based on that total compensation?!?!

Makes no sense.

Most companies can hire a new experienced person rather than double a salary.

Most know doubling a salary is an ineffective carrot for most workers and chances are you get less performance.

Of course on ATOT, Santa Claus, the Easter Bunny and Chanukkah Hank all post here too under proxies.

 

[Carson Dyle]

Entire structure... lets see.. 3,300 workstations with 25 unique clients(companies we perform the outsourced work for, including several fortune 100's..) across 6 facilities

You've mentioned clients a couple of times. Why is that significant? What difference would it make if there were 5 clients or 100 clients, instead of 25? Or if none of them were Fortune 100, or all of them were?

 

[LegendKiller]

Wow so getting hammered paying bonuses...just make that bonus part of your annual compensation...year after year and then give raises based on that total compensation?!?!

Makes no sense.

Most companies can hire a new experienced person rather than double a salary.

Most know doubling a salary is an ineffective carrot for most workers and chances are you get less performance.

Of course on ATOT, Santa Claus, the Easter Bunny and Chanukkah Hank all post here too under proxies.

Naw, the best part was when they started paying bonuses again. They did it as a multiple of your new, higher, base salary. rofl...

 

[alkemyst]

Naw, the best part was when they started paying bonuses again. They did it as a multiple of your new, higher, base salary. rofl...

ROFL: http://www.quora.com/How-do-I-double-my-salary-in-3-years

most of them are not anonymous.

Without the numbers, you are talking like a kid that went from minimum wage to $15/hr.

I was making $6, then then straight to $12.50, and then to $25/hr in a few years, but I sort of left and came back between high school and junior college a couple times.

Since that time went I was moving around company to company/location to location my biggest raise was adding another $25k to my salary...no where near doubling or even 30%.

 

[pac1085]

You've mentioned clients a couple of times. Why is that significant? What difference would it make if there were 5 clients or 100 clients, instead of 25? Or if none of them were Fortune 100, or all of them were?

It is directly related to the workload and stress. I couldn't imagine working for something like a manufacturing company, that only supports a small set of applications / processes. It would be both wonderful and boring. This is like working for 25 different companies. You have to maintain relationships with the IT teams at 25 different companies and become familiar with all of their processes, applications, etc. For the most part, our desktops would have an identical configuration to the ones the client have in house. Generally the larger the company, the more complex the relationship and requirements are.

 

[purbeast0]

the way i got my salary bumped up BIG time was when i was working for a company who had a contract, and my company lost the contract and the new company wanted to hire me. after my current company couldn't place me elsewhere, i ended up going with the new company.

when they asked me what i wanted, i told them $34k more than what i was currently making. i know they needed me more than i needed them so i said screw it and asked them for it. i definitely felt very weird doing that though since it was so much more than i made, and they knew that.

they then came back saying they couldn't do that, but they could do $29k more than i was making.

of course i accepted it, and it set my new "base salary" as a really high level. i've since moved on from that position, and i'm making more than $20k more than i was at that position, and now i have no worries about telling a company how much money i want, because of my current salary and i am good at my job, and i know my skills are worth it.

so moral of the story = reach for the stars. the worst thing they will do is say no and come back with another number. don't tell them what your minimum you will take is. think about that, and then add like $30k to it and just go for it.

 

[pac1085]

Thanks everyone for the posts. This thread has been very insightful!

 

[alkemyst]

the way i got my salary bumped up BIG time was when i was working for a company who had a contract, and my company lost the contract and the new company wanted to hire me. after my current company couldn't place me elsewhere, i ended up going with the new company.

when they asked me what i wanted, i told them $34k more than what i was currently making. i know they needed me more than i needed them so i said screw it and asked them for it. i definitely felt very weird doing that though since it was so much more than i made, and they knew that.

they then came back saying they couldn't do that, but they could do $29k more than i was making.

of course i accepted it, and it set my new "base salary" as a really high level. i've since moved on from that position, and i'm making more than $20k more than i was at that position, and now i have no worries about telling a company how much money i want, because of my current salary and i am good at my job, and i know my skills are worth it.

so moral of the story = reach for the stars. the worst thing they will do is say no and come back with another number. don't tell them what your minimum you will take is. think about that, and then add like $30k to it and just go for it.

Without a the base, this means nothing.

Adding $30k to your min, is looking to shoot yourself most of the time.

I am sure it works great on forums, but many companies have maximums for retention.

 

[purbeast0]

Without a the base, this means nothing.

Adding $30k to your min, is looking to shoot yourself most of the time.

I am sure it works great on forums, but many companies have maximums for retention.

good, that means i'll keep you wondering.

not sure what you mean by my "min" either. i said added $34k to my current salary.

 

[alkemyst]

good, that means i'll keep you wondering.

not sure what you mean by my "min" either. i said added $34k to my current salary.

If you have the minimum you are willing to work for and insist on adding $30k on top, then that would be a problem most of the time.

You won't tell use what you were making...so $34k is just a nice raise or a life changing event.

 

[purbeast0]

If you have the minimum you are willing to work for and insist on adding $30k on top, then that would be a problem most of the time.

You won't tell use what you were making...so $34k is just a nice raise or a life changing event.

i'd say it was both. was a nice raise, but having an extra $1k/paycheck after tax pretty much was pretty significant.

 

[alkemyst]

i'd say it was both. was a nice raise, but having an extra $1k/paycheck after tax pretty much was pretty significant.

I agree. But much of this doubling and stuff would have made another $500 a week...weak.

With my baby coming, an extra $100 a week would be great just to offset everything else.

 

[purbeast0]

I agree. But much of this doubling and stuff would have made another $500 a week...weak.

With my baby coming, an extra $100 a week would be great just to offset everything else.

i got my first kid on the way and that is part of the reason i asked for a larger raise this year as well, so hopefully it comes through.

and my checks for the rest of the year are larger than normal as well.