Religious nutbags convicted of murdering child by following parenting book

Pheran

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Another couple found guilty of murder for parenting by "To Train Up a Child"

Justice for Hana and Immanuel

Two parents in Washington state have been found guilty of murder after following the abusive parenting techniques advocated in the parenting book "To Train Up a Child" by Michael and Debi Pearl.
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The couple is the third set of parents to be found guilty of killing their children by following the teachings of the book, which is commonly given out in churches and sent for free to military families.

This article makes me rage. Also, I'm stunned that there's not civil lawsuit against the authors of this book (or if there is one, I haven't heard of it).
 
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lxskllr

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Also, I'm stunned that there's not civil lawsuit against the authors of this book (or if there is one, I haven't heard of it).

Criminalizing authorship and reading? Seriously?! How about people use their brains to parse data, and be responsible for their own actions?
 

Hugo Drax

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No one put a gun to the parents head to follow the Christian parenting program in the book.
 

Pheran

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Criminalizing authorship and reading? Seriously?! How about people use their brains to parse data, and be responsible for their own actions?

I said I'm stunned there's not a lawsuit, not that the author is guilty. I realize the responsibility lies with the idiots that followed this book. As to whether or not the author bears any culpability, that's probably a complicated legal question. I am not a lawyer.
 

Ruptga

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Nobody has ever gone broke underestimating the intelligence of the consumer. Those people are making 1.7M per year by selling techniques any sane person would immediately laugh off.
 

Pheran

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Post the teaching techniques and I'll give my .02

There are examples right in the article if you bother to read it, such as "Using plastic tubing to beat children, since it hurts a lot but leaves fewer marks to alert authorities".
 

lxskllr

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I said I'm stunned there's not a lawsuit, not that the author is guilty. I realize the responsibility lies with the idiots that followed this book. As to whether or not the author bears any culpability, that's probably a complicated legal question. I am not a lawyer.

Maybe I read more into your statement than I should have. I guess I'm also surprised, but I don't hold the authors responsible in the least.
 

Ruptga

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Criminalizing authorship and reading? Seriously?! How about people use their brains to parse data, and be responsible for their own actions?

If I published "101 Meth Recipes To Die For," what do you think would happen? I understand all that slippery slope BS, but the authors must share some percent of responsibility as well.

An easy solution would be a required label on a corner of the book's cover, something in the vein of "SMOKING KILLS."
 

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There are examples right in the article if you bother to read it, such as "Using plastic tubing to beat children, since it hurts a lot but leaves fewer marks to alert authorities".
I figured that since you were the one that was stunned, posting examples of the author's teachings would be a given.



Plastic tubing, eh.:hmm:



If the authors are advocating punishments specifically to avoid detection by authorities then parents that apply them are nut jobs.
 

lxskllr

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If I published "101 Meth Recipes To Die For," what do you think would happen? I understand all that slippery slope BS, but the authors must share some percent of responsibility as well.

An easy solution would be a required label on a corner of the book's cover, something in the vein of "SMOKING KILLS."

Yea, I've been thinking I really need more warning labels in my life. Unless the authors hold guns to their reader's heads, and enforce their techniques, they don't have any responsibility.

I'm perfectly fine with you publishing a meth book, but I suspect you have plenty of competition. I'm not in the market, so I don't know. Anyone who makes meth with your book gets what they get. Maybe they get some sweet crystal, or maybe it's rat poison. If it's the latter, they should have done better research.
 

JoLLyRoGer

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These people (the authors) AND anyone who would ever take them seriously is out of there ever-loving tree.

Hope they (the parents) get the book thrown at them - no pun intended.
 

SlowSpyder

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Hey, rules are rules. Damn disobedient kids.

Deuteronomy 21:18-21

18 If a man have a stubborn and rebellious son, which will not obey the voice of his father, or the voice of his mother, and that, when they have chastened him, will not hearken unto them:

19 Then shall his father and his mother lay hold on him, and bring him out unto the elders of his city, and unto the gate of his place;

20 And they shall say unto the elders of his city, This our son is stubborn and rebellious, he will not obey our voice; he is a glutton, and a drunkard.

21 And all the men of his city shall stone him with stones, that he die: so shalt thou put evil away from among you; and all Israel shall hear, and fear.
 

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The authors of the book are admitting to child abuse. Why are they not in jail? The excerpts obviously cite criminal acts.
 

JoLLyRoGer

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And this is how they teach Sunday School. I give you a video of Michael Pearl giving a demonstration of knife throwing and whip cracking at some sort of religious gathering they apparently help put on known as the "Great Ozark Mountain Shindig"

http://vimeo.com/75466525#

So, after-watching half of that video and observing the old man's mannerisms, AND as if the contents of the book weren't enough simply based on the very little I know of it from the OP's article, he's nothing more than a back-woods half in-bred piece of trash.

Yeah, his adult son helping him with that demonstration sure grew up "normal".. you can tell he's scared shitless of the old man even today. What an asshole.
 
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madoka

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Whether someone is religious or atheist, it takes a certain kind of heartless person to beat children or animals. Then they'll use whatever justification is convenient when they are caught.
 

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Whether someone is religious or atheist, it takes a certain kind of heartless person to beat children or animals. Then they'll use whatever justification is convenient when they are caught.

Good people do good things. Bad people do bad things. For a good person to do a bad thing, it takes religion.

Christianity requires incredibly immoral and unethical actions like killing your kids and then requires you look upon the action as holy since God is the one that commanded you to do so.
 

madoka

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Good people do good things. Bad people do bad things. For a good person to do a bad thing, it takes religion.

Christianity requires incredibly immoral and unethical actions like killing your kids and then requires you look upon the action as holy since God is the one that commanded you to do so.

If there was an award for dumbest post of the week, you would have won.
 

ThinClient

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If there was an award for dumbest post of the week, you would have won.

There are many examples in the Bible where it's true. Your unwillingness to accept it is irrelevant. Don't make me prove you wrong, unless you like looking like a fool. Let me guess, you're a religiotard?