Religious Minorities Suffering Worst in Pakistan Floods

[Lanyap]

religous people, they can go fuck off. shit I think we should give them a whole continet. once they all resettle.all the religion can go fuck off. They do nothing for humanity but enslave it.

nuke the fucker after they all move in.

Where would you fit 84% of the worlds population and would you really want to be left with the remaining 16%?

 

[Zebo]

I am totally intolerant of religous people. Its my right to be this way. Take your religion and shove it up your ass and whoever else belive with ya.

Religion. A disease that needs to be cured with force if nessacary.

People can believe whatever they want just don't tread on me with violence or threats of violence or other innocents either - that's where it become a problem IMO.

Islam has been known to do this... death for apostasy, terror and whatnot but so have many other belief systems from communism to Christianity. With that said I've meet good Muslims good Christians Good sikhs good jews good democrats, good republicans etc

 

[Zebo]

In Sharia Allah has given us the best possible way to organize human society. Islam calls for spreading sharia to all corners of the Earth. Monarchy is nowhere in the picture.

Yeah that's why Islamic countries are shit holes with zero human rights and if it weren't for accident of geology (oil) would be worse than Africa. The most successful people/nations do not base their life and universe on thousand(s) year old mores, tenants and atmospherics or hallucinating desert mystics law but reason and logic.


The most successful Muslims are the ones who who don't follow letter for letter and merge some basic values with modernity.

 

[Acanthus]

Maybe god is angry with them for being idiots.

 

[ModestGamer]

Where would you fit 84% of the worlds population and would you really want to be left with the remaining 16%?

Would could send them to china and Preferably yes on the 16%. At least people who aren't mind fucked into beiliving a bunch of bullshit.

 

[ModestGamer]

People can believe whatever they want just don't tread on me with violence or threats of violence or other innocents either - that's where it become a problem IMO.

Islam has been known to do this... death for apostasy, terror and whatnot but so have many other belief systems from communism to Christianity. With that said I've meet good Muslims good Christians Good sikhs good jews good democrats, good republicans etc

sure as shit idiots are alive right now. Morons to. doesn't mean we should let them continue to fucking ruin the gene pool for the rest of us.

 

[coreyb]

the world would 100% be a better place without religion.

 

[Atreus21]

the world would 100% be a better place without religion.

The world would be 100% better of a place without black people too.

Or asians.

Or basically anyone who's not like me.

Why can't everyone be perfect like me?

 

[mk]

The world would be 100% better of a place without black people too.

Or asians.

Or basically anyone who's not like me.

Why can't everyone be perfect like me?

Religion (as a system of beliefs and practices) ≠ people.

One would at least hope that we could eliminate various harmful ideologies and modes of thought without actually killing the people that hold on to them.

 

[ShawnD1]

Religion (as a system of beliefs and practices) ≠ people.

One would at least hope that we could eliminate various harmful ideologies and modes of thought without actually killing the people that hold on to them.

The bold part is important. Religion is just a group of people who believe the same thing. There's nothing inherently bad about this. The only dangerous part about a religion is when it starts to include supernatural magic stories.

As one of my favorite bloggers pointed out, this creates an environment where schizophrenics or people with other serious mental illnesses can blend in without anyone noticing something is wrong with them. When most people say god speaks to them, they are talking metaphorically. A schizophrenic person who literally hears voices telling him to do things will misinterpret his voices as being the voice of god since that is what he has heard other people talking about. The schizophrenic will also misinterpret his feeling of being watched (ie tinfoil hat people) as being a feeling that god is the one watching him. He'll tell people this - "I feel like god is watching me" and people will not understand that he is trying to tell them that he literally feels like he is being watched. Eventually the schizophrenic's condition might get worse and he does something like kill an abortion doctor because the voice in his head that he thought was god told him to do it. Then people who knew him totally freak out like "He was such a good Christian. How did this happen??"
The warning signs were always there. He was telling you on a daily basis that he heard voices and he felt like he was being watched. He told you that he was listening to the voices and doing what he thought was god's will (the voice is god). He told you that water from the church was the only thing that made his demons go away. The only reason nobody figured out this person was schizophrenic was because their religious system went beyond ideas and included a bunch of imaginary things like demons and gods.

When a schizophrenic person says aliens are out there watching everything and controlling everything and you need to be careful, everyone realizes this person is totally insane. If a similar schizophrenic latched onto religion and said it was god who was watching and controlling everything, the person is welcomed into the community with open arms. They never get the help they need, and their crazy ideas hurt society if they can get people to follow them. Some insane people are really good at leading people like that. Glenn Beck, for example....

 

[coreyb]

The world would be 100% better of a place without black people too.

Or asians.

Or basically anyone who's not like me.

Why can't everyone be perfect like me?

I don't see your point? what does race have to do with your religion?

 

[coreyb]

another great thing religion brings to the world

http://www.independent.co.uk/opinio...-crimewave-that-shames-the-world-2072201.html

 

[PeshakJang]

the world would 100% be a better place without religion.

How many people have died in the name of religion in the last century versus the number of people who died in the name of government?

Surely you think the world would be 100% better without government, right?

 

[ModestGamer]

How many people have died in the name of religion in the last century versus the number of people who died in the name of government?

Surely you think the world would be 100% better without government, right?

I think the world would be a better place if religous fucktards would stop trying to equate civil secular law and order with religion. BTW Hitler was a christian and a Catholic at that and received many endorsements from the pope for dealing with the jew problem.

 

[HumblePie]

The bold part is important. Religion is just a group of people who believe the same thing. There's nothing inherently bad about this. The only dangerous part about a religion is when it starts to include supernatural magic stories.

As one of my favorite bloggers pointed out, this creates an environment where schizophrenics or people with other serious mental illnesses can blend in without anyone noticing something is wrong with them. When most people say god speaks to them, they are talking metaphorically. A schizophrenic person who literally hears voices telling him to do things will misinterpret his voices as being the voice of god since that is what he has heard other people talking about. The schizophrenic will also misinterpret his feeling of being watched (ie tinfoil hat people) as being a feeling that god is the one watching him. He'll tell people this - "I feel like god is watching me" and people will not understand that he is trying to tell them that he literally feels like he is being watched. Eventually the schizophrenic's condition might get worse and he does something like kill an abortion doctor because the voice in his head that he thought was god told him to do it. Then people who knew him totally freak out like "He was such a good Christian. How did this happen??"
The warning signs were always there. He was telling you on a daily basis that he heard voices and he felt like he was being watched. He told you that he was listening to the voices and doing what he thought was god's will (the voice is god). He told you that water from the church was the only thing that made his demons go away. The only reason nobody figured out this person was schizophrenic was because their religious system went beyond ideas and included a bunch of imaginary things like demons and gods.

When a schizophrenic person says aliens are out there watching everything and controlling everything and you need to be careful, everyone realizes this person is totally insane. If a similar schizophrenic latched onto religion and said it was god who was watching and controlling everything, the person is welcomed into the community with open arms. They never get the help they need, and their crazy ideas hurt society if they can get people to follow them. Some insane people are really good at leading people like that. Glenn Beck, for example....

What??? Way to over involved and analyzed and you basically discredit yourself right from the get go with this bit.

"When most people say god speaks to them, they are talking metaphorically."

When you put it that way it shows that "normal" religious people aren't gullible and realize it's all metaphorical. And then they decide to listen to "crazy" or mentally ill people that follow their religion?


The problem is a mindset of gullibility and susceptibility to coercion from the get go.

 

[ShawnD1]

What??? Way to over involved and analyzed and you basically discredit yourself right from the get go with this bit.

"When most people say god speaks to them, they are talking metaphorically."

When you put it that way it shows that "normal" religious people aren't gullible and realize it's all metaphorical. And then they decide to listen to "crazy" or mentally ill people that follow their religion?


The problem is a mindset of gullibility and susceptibility to coercion from the get go.

We naturally believe in weird things, but it takes a leader to make us do evil things. Regular religious sheep will believe in a force called God that is responsible for a lot of things. With a bit of effort and some powerful speeches, those people can made to do insanely evil things. The biggest problem is that we don't seem to attribute the religious leaders as being crazy even when they shown extreme signs of mental illness.


http://pn.psychiatryonline.org/content/41/22/22.1.full

Religion Not Always Helpful To Those With Schizophrenia

Joan Arehart-Treichel

Although religion appears to be indispensable for many persons with psychosis, not all reap the benefits. The complex link between religion and psychosis calls for keen sensitivity to each person's unique story.


“My life didn't turn out like I wanted,” a 37-year-old man with paranoid schizophrenia admitted. “I do not have a wife, I am unable to work, I have been hospitalized against my will. After all this, I consider myself happy. God gives me all I need.”

“When I read the Bible, it disturbs me,” a 47-year-old man with schizoaffective disorder reported. “I begin to think I've behaved wickedly, and then I believe I'm the devil.”

These comments are only two of many to emerge from what may be the first study of the role of religion as a coping behavior by individuals with psychosis. They also reflect the bright and dark influence of religion on such persons. And they mirror the major results of the inquiry, namely, religion helps most, but not all, of those who are burdened with psychosis.

Philippe Huguelet, M.D., a lecturer at the University Hospital of Geneva in Switzerland, and colleagues undertook their study, they said, because religiousness has been found to be highly prevalent among persons with schizophrenia in both Europe and North America, yet clinicians are often unaware of this and fail to integrate discussion of religion into their care of patients with psychosis.

Since no validated questionnaire existed for surveying religiousness among persons with psychosis, Huguelet and his group developed one. They then presented it to 115 individuals aged 18 to 65 who were being treated for schizophrenia or another psychosis in one of four psychiatric outpatient facilities in Geneva.

Questionnaire analysis revealed some telling data. Religion was important for 85 percent of subjects—in fact, for nearly half, it was the most important thing in their lives.

Huguelet had expected religion to be vital to their subjects, but not that critical, he told Psychiatric News. Part of the reason why it was so indispensable to them, he speculated, may be because it helped fill a void created by losses in their lives.

Furthermore, 82 of the subjects (71 percent) found that religion helped them cope with their illness and life in general. Said one, “If you tell yourself that you have an eternal life ahead of you, you know that the voices will end.” Commented another, “I feel that other people can control me from a distance and that they can do anything they want with me. However, I do not feel anxious as I did before. A Buddhist monk told me it was only my imagination, and he is teaching me how to meditate. In this way, I distance myself from the idea of control.”

Sixteen subjects (14 percent), however, stated that religion had a negative impact on their illness and life. “Religious teaching helps me, but I haven't found any warmth in relationships with people,” one subject said. Another noted, “When I go to church, I see dirty things, and I feel the devil taking my hand.” Four said they felt despair when religion did not heal them of their mental illness.

A little over half (54 percent) reported that religion dampened their psychotic symptoms. Ten percent, though, found that religion increased such symptoms.

“The focus on the pathological side of religion—religious delusions—has inadvertently contributed to the stigmatization of religion for people with schizophrenia,” Huguelet and his team concluded in their study report, which appeared in the November American Journal of Psychiatry. “Our study establishes a balance.... [Religion] can have a positive or negative impact on patients' lives.”

Their results, they wrote, also “indicate that the complexity of the relationship between religion and illness requires great sensitivity to each unique story.”

Huguelet told Psychiatric News that psychiatrists should discuss religion with their psychosis patients and focus on how it might contribute to their coping and recovery, not on whether it might make their illness worse.

“In Europe, most psychiatrists think that speaking of religion will lead to exacerbation of delusions,” he said.

Most religious people in developed countries are not that religious. They tend to be weekend worshipers who praise god on sunday then act like a shitbag the other 6 days. Most people blatantly disregard most of the things stated in the bible such as stoning people, not eating at Red Lobster, avoiding adultery, respecting your parents no matter what, not working on the sabbath, etc. Most Christians and religious people in general do not believe the bible is literally true. My entire extended family is Roman Catholic and I went to Catholic schools for grades 1-12, but I've only heard God described in terms that were personifying some unknown force. The inability for people to actually see God or hear God is why so many people don't take religion seriously and it's why so many people can be converted to atheism later in life. Most people simply do not experience God, and that's why they say it relies on faith. To believe in God, you must have faith with no evidence because God will not speak directly to you.

Schizophrenics have the opposite experience. They don't rely on faith because they actually hear voices. They actually see things. These hallucinations will speak to them in plain English, similar to how people on LSD or mushrooms can talk to non-living things. Because schizophrenics actually feel God, talk to God and sometimes see God, their belief in God is very strong and can never be taken away. If these people are passionate about what they are doing, they will often become religious leaders who want to tell everyone else about what they are seeing. Schizophrenics often talk about seeing shadows around bad people and halos around good people. Here is a drawing made by a schizophrenic to show us what the world looks like to a schizophrenic person:

Image description from website:
"Fig. 5. Hallucinations.
Drawing by Anna while in a schizophrenic state shows a beginning disintegration of the person (the I-dynamism), and the emergence of alien persons (emancipating i-dynamisms). These fragments of alien persons may be heard as hallucinations. They may also succeed in taking control of behavior and do or say things the person cannot anticipate or understand."

Of course schizophrenia is not the only thing masked by religiosity. The great Muslim prophet Muhammad probably had temporal lobe epilepsy. He had lots of symptoms both described by him and observed by others. http://www.faithfreedom.org/Articles/sina41204.htm
Of course people don't like to talk about him being epileptic because religion shields him against this. If he claimed to be fighting aliens in space rather than fighting the devil in space, people would immediately figure out that something was wrong with this person.

 

[coreyb]

yea, its funny to think all these great religions were all started by crazy people.

 

[ModestGamer]

yea, its funny to think all these great religions were all started by crazy people.

Nah pyramid schemers. the Crazy people were used as effect lighting !