religious faith - "a process of non-thinking"

aidanjm

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so says Richard Dawkins.

"If I were to suggest that between the Earth and Mars there is a china teapot revolving about the sun in an elliptical orbit, nobody would be able to disprove my assertion provided I were careful to add that the teapot is too small to be revealed even by our most powerful telescopes. But if I were to go on to say that, since my assertion cannot be disproved, it is intolerable presumption on the part of human reason to doubt it, I should rightly be thought to be talking nonsense. If, however, the existence of such a teapot were affirmed in ancient books, taught as the sacred truth every Sunday, and instilled into the minds of children at school, hesitation to believe in its existence would become a mark of eccentricity and entitle the doubter to the attentions of the psychiatrist in an enlightened age or of the Inquisitor in an earlier time."
-- Bertrand Russell


"The reason organized religion merits outright hostility is that, unlike belief in Russell's teapot, religion is powerful, influential, tax-exempt and systematically passed on to children too young to defend themselves. Children are not compelled to spend their formative years memorizing loony books about teapots. Government-subsidized schools don't exclude children whose parents prefer the wrong shape of teapot. Teapot-believers don't stone teapot-unbelievers, teapot-apostates, teapot-heretics and teapot-blasphemers to death. Mothers don't warn their sons off marrying teapot-shiksas whose parents believe in three teapots rather than one. People who put the milk in first don't kneecap those who put the tea in first."
-- Richard Dawkins
 

91TTZ

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It sounds correct to me. Have you ever heard a Christian go on a rant about "his own" views of the world? He'll just blindly quote from the Bible, no matter how ridiculous the reasoning is.
 

Kilgor

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Originally posted by: Mike
What has the world come to when people don't even try to be subtle with flaimbait?

Annoying very very annoying and tiresome.
 

Literati

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Religious faith.

An attribute of people such as C.G. Jung.

And we all know he didn't think enough.
 

imported_goku

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reliogous people don't think, they 'know' via faith. Religion is all about faith, thinking is a form of doubt and reconsideration, if you think, you're 'doubting' god or the bible or what ever.. It makes sense, it's their religious beliefs, why do people care? Everyone else but yourself is going to hell unless you want to since people who don't conform to your beliefs is obviously the devil. So lets just end this bickering and have a nice glass of wine.
 

GagHalfrunt

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"So far as I can remember, there is not one word in the Gospels in praise of intelligence" - Bertrand Russell
 

TowerShield

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Originally posted by: 91TTZ
It sounds correct to me. Have you ever heard a Christian go on a rant about "his own" views of the world? He'll just blindly quote from the Bible, no matter how ridiculous the reasoning is.
Actually yes. Of course, there is a big difference between a fundamentalist Christian (which you are describing) and a progressive Christian.
 

shortylickens

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Originally posted by: blackllotus
I always tell myself not to click on these threads, yet I always do
If the hate and flame threads stayed in P&N where they belong, we'd never have to see them at all.
 

platinumike

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I really love the whole generalization by atheists that Christans are all "mind puppets" "weak" "idiots, cant think for themselves".
 

Feldenak

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Originally posted by: platinumike
I really love the whole generalization by atheists that Christans are all "mind puppets" "weak" "idiots, cant think for themselves".

Activist athiests are closer to fundamental religious-types than they would like to believe. :)
 

Kilgor

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Originally posted by: Feldenak
Originally posted by: platinumike
I really love the whole generalization by atheists that Christans are all "mind puppets" "weak" "idiots, cant think for themselves".

Activist athiests are closer to fundamental religious-types than they would like to believe. :)

I actually think some are worse, the only thing worse than a fundie is an antifundie.

 
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Originally posted by: Kilgor
Originally posted by: Feldenak
Originally posted by: platinumike
I really love the whole generalization by atheists that Christans are all "mind puppets" "weak" "idiots, cant think for themselves".

Activist athiests are closer to fundamental religious-types than they would like to believe. :)

I actually think some are worse, the only thing worse than a fundie is an antifundie.

Agreed, the fundies try too hard, which makes the antifundies try even harder.
 

CycloWizard

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Ironically, in your accusation that religious persons don't think, you didn't apply a single thought derived by YOU - you simply cited two previous works.
 

Red Dawn

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My question is how do you know the religion you follow is the real one and the others are false? Afterall those who believe in other religions have just as much faith in theirs as you do in yours.
 

CKent

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One of the brightest people I've ever known is a devout Catholic. Religion is open to interpretation; some see it as a welcome relief from having to think, others as a reason to think. It's hardly a label.

That said, I do think it's overstepped its bounds under the current presidential administration and made dangerous headway into public schools and legislature.
 
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Originally posted by: CKent
One of the brightest people I've ever known is a devout Catholic. Religion is open to interpretation; some see it as a welcome relief from having to think, others as a reason to think. It's hardly a label.

That said, I do think it's overstepped its bounds under the current presidential administration and made dangerous headway into public schools and legislature.
I can only call into question the way you define 'bright'...