Religions can be beyond insane!!!!

[TheSlamma]

His post was a perfect response. You have been responding since he made it to a burr that got up your ass. You are a person who constantly fails to see the big picture because you examine the dots. It is self hate that causes people to kill other people, not religion. Religion is a cure for that disease, one so severe, that only a few can be saved. More are saved by religion than any other way.

Exactly, religion takes that self hate and gives you the vehicle to oppress, ostracize and kill others. So it goes from internal to external

 

[realibrad]

Exactly, religion takes that self hate and gives you the vehicle to oppress, ostracize and kill others. So it goes from internal to external

F'ing Zing!

 

[Orignal Earl]

Exactly, religion takes that self hate and gives you the vehicle to oppress, ostracize and kill others. So it goes from internal to external

You can apply that reasoning to lot's of things.
Patriotism, for one, gives you the vehicle to oppress, ostracize and kill others

 

[realibrad]

You can apply that reasoning to lot's of things.
Patriotism, for one, gives you the vehicle to oppress, ostracize and kill others

What is your point?

 

[TheSlamma]

You can apply that reasoning to lot's of things.
Patriotism, for one, gives you the vehicle to oppress, ostracize and kill others

yep

One of my fav quotes is "In War-time Patriotism means suppression of truth" - S. Sassoon

Doesn't take away anything from the fact that my original point is still true. Right Tom?

 

[Orignal Earl]

yep

One of my fav quotes is "In War-time Patriotism means suppression of truth" - S. Sassoon

Doesn't take away anything from the fact that my original point is still true. Right Tom?

My original point was true.
No religion teaches you to kill people of different religions

 

[TheSlamma]

My original point was true too.
No religion teaches you to kill people of different religions

Incorrect... infidel

 

[Orignal Earl]

Incorrect... infidel

I am an infidel, that don't bother me and certainly doesn't prove your point

 

[TheSlamma]

I am an infidel, that don't bother me and certainly doesn't prove your point

"The Hour will not be established until you fight with the Jews, and the stone behind which a Jew will be hiding will say. "O Muslim! There is a Jew hiding behind me, so kill him."

"I have been ordered to fight the people till they say: 'None has the right to be worshipped but Allah'. And if they say so, pray like our prayers, face our Qibla and slaughter as we slaughter, then their blood and property will be sacred to us and we will not interfere with them except legally."

"And kill them wherever you find them, and turn them out from where they have turned you out. And Al-Fitnah is worse than killing... but if they desist, then lo! Allah is forgiving and merciful. And fight them until there is no more Fitnah and worship is for Allah alone.

"The punishment of those who wage war against Allah and His messenger and strive to make mischief in the land is only this, that they should be murdered or crucified or their hands and their feet should be cut off on opposite sides or they should be imprisoned; this shall be as a disgrace for them in this world, and in the hereafter they shall have a grievous chastisement"

"Fight against them so that Allah will punish them by your hands and disgrace them and give you victory over them and heal the breasts of a believing people."

If a man still prophesies, his parents, father and mother, shall say to him, "You shall not live, because you have spoken a lie in the name of the Lord." When he prophesies, his parents, father and mother, shall thrust him through

After Joshua died, the Israelites asked the LORD, "Which tribe should attack the Canaanites first?" The LORD answered, "Judah, for I have given them victory over the land." The leaders of Judah said to their relatives from the tribe of Simeon, "Join with us to fight against the Canaanites living in the territory allotted to us. Then we will help you conquer your territory." So the men of Simeon went with Judah. When the men of Judah attacked, the LORD gave them victory over the Canaanites and Perizzites, and they killed ten thousand enemy warriors at the town of Bezek. While at Bezek they encountered King Adoni-bezek and fought against him, and the Canaanites and Perizzites were defeated. Adoni-bezek escaped, but the Israelites soon captured him and cut off his thumbs and big toes. Adoni-bezek said, "I once had seventy kings with thumbs and big toes cut off, eating scraps from under my table. Now God has paid me back for what I did to them." They took him to Jerusalem, and he died there. The men of Judah attacked Jerusalem and captured it, killing all its people and setting the city on fire.

 

[Orignal Earl]

"The Hour will not be established until you fight with the Jews, and the stone behind which a Jew will be hiding will say. "O Muslim! There is a Jew hiding behind me, so kill him."

"I have been ordered to fight the people till they say: 'None has the right to be worshipped but Allah'. And if they say so, pray like our prayers, face our Qibla and slaughter as we slaughter, then their blood and property will be sacred to us and we will not interfere with them except legally."

"And kill them wherever you find them, and turn them out from where they have turned you out. And Al-Fitnah is worse than killing... but if they desist, then lo! Allah is forgiving and merciful. And fight them until there is no more Fitnah and worship is for Allah alone.

"The punishment of those who wage war against Allah and His messenger and strive to make mischief in the land is only this, that they should be murdered or crucified or their hands and their feet should be cut off on opposite sides or they should be imprisoned; this shall be as a disgrace for them in this world, and in the hereafter they shall have a grievous chastisement"

"Fight against them so that Allah will punish them by your hands and disgrace them and give you victory over them and heal the breasts of a believing people."

If a man still prophesies, his parents, father and mother, shall say to him, "You shall not live, because you have spoken a lie in the name of the Lord." When he prophesies, his parents, father and mother, shall thrust him through

After Joshua died, the Israelites asked the LORD, "Which tribe should attack the Canaanites first?" The LORD answered, "Judah, for I have given them victory over the land." The leaders of Judah said to their relatives from the tribe of Simeon, "Join with us to fight against the Canaanites living in the territory allotted to us. Then we will help you conquer your territory." So the men of Simeon went with Judah. When the men of Judah attacked, the LORD gave them victory over the Canaanites and Perizzites, and they killed ten thousand enemy warriors at the town of Bezek. While at Bezek they encountered King Adoni-bezek and fought against him, and the Canaanites and Perizzites were defeated. Adoni-bezek escaped, but the Israelites soon captured him and cut off his thumbs and big toes. Adoni-bezek said, "I once had seventy kings with thumbs and big toes cut off, eating scraps from under my table. Now God has paid me back for what I did to them." They took him to Jerusalem, and he died there. The men of Judah attacked Jerusalem and captured it, killing all its people and setting the city on fire.

What's the story behind your quote? What was going on? What does it mean?
How are Jews able to exist in the Middle East?

 

[TheSlamma]

What's the story behind your quote? What was going on? What does it mean?
How are Jews able to exist in the Middle East?

The post shows that both the Quran and the Bible support violence making your point wrong. Instead of being an ignoramus you should actually read the quotes, they are taken directly from both. That will prevent you from making such uninformed statements like "No religion teaches you to kill people of different religions"

"How are Jews able to exist in the Middle East" Holy Testicle Tuesday D:

I think you should ask an Ayatollah this question instead.

 

[Auric]

What's the story behind your quote? What was going on? What does it mean?
How are Jews able to exist in the Middle East?

Not sure if serious. How can anyone be unaware that genocide is gloated about in the Hebrew Bible/Old Testament? It was written by victors and not meant for anyone else.

 

[Orignal Earl]

The post shows that both the Quran and the Bible support violence making your point wrong. Instead of being an ignoramus you should actually read the quotes, they are taken directly from both. That will prevent you from making such uninformed statements like "No religion teaches you to kill people of different religions"

"How are Jews able to exist in the Middle East" Holy Testicle Tuesday D:

I think you should ask an Ayatollah this question instead.

So basically nobody (except for some terrorists now) has ever interpreted these verses the way you say they should be.
All I can find about an Ayatollah and Jews is the classic misinterpretation that Israel should be destroyed
What are you referring to, and how do you explain all the Jews in Iran?

 

[Orignal Earl]

Not sure if serious. How can anyone be unaware that genocide is gloated about in the Hebrew Bible/Old Testament? It was written by victors and not meant for anyone else.

I am aware of the verses, I'm saying no one goes to church/mosque/temple and gets told to kill other people because they don't follow the same faith

 

[TheSlamma]

So basically nobody (except for some terrorists now) has ever interpreted these verses the way you say they should be.

Yes "Basically nobody"

Taliban 60,000
ISIL 50,000-200,000
Al Qaeda 25,000

 

[Orignal Earl]

Yes "Basically nobody"

Taliban 60,000
ISIL 50,000-200,000
Al Qaeda 25,000

Like I said, those are terrorist orgs and not religions

I'm pretty sure the Taliban and AQ don't preach killing everyone
Daesh is a whole new ball of wax, but as you know they are not considered Islamic

 

[davmat787]

We are the inventors of that God. That is who we are.

Yes but I think it was evolutionary advantageous for humans to invent god, at least for awhile. I've read some interesting theories on just this and it makes a lot of sense.

Now the concept could be considered an evolutionary disadvantage or simply outdated thanks to the miracle of science and information technology but for millennia the concept of a higher power was likely an advantage for the beginnings of civilization and culture.

Here is a little information on the subject of religion being a potential evolutionary advantage or adaptation.

https://www.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evolutionary_psychology_of_religion

 

[davmat787]

Like I said, those are terrorist orgs and not religions

I'm pretty sure the Taliban and AQ don't preach killing everyone
Daesh is a whole new ball of wax, but as you know they are not considered Islamic

They may not be considered Islamic by outsiders but the important thing is they themselves consider themselves the truest interpretation of Islam.

So it doesn't matter in my opinion whether outsiders consider them truly Muslim, it's beside the point.

Westboro Church or whatever those assholes call themselves aren't Christian but that doesn't buy them a pass.

 

[Orignal Earl]

They may not be considered Islamic by outsiders but the important thing is they themselves consider themselves the truest interpretation of Islam.

So it doesn't matter in my opinion whether outsiders consider them truly Muslim, it's beside the point.

Westboro Church or whatever those assholes call themselves aren't Christian but that doesn't buy them a pass.

I don't know what you want me to take from that post davmat787
Yes, fanatics of all sorts consider themselves righteous
They post here everyday and there is nothing you can say to change their minds

 

[TheSlamma]

Yes, fanatics of all sorts consider themselves righteous
They post here everyday and there is nothing you can say to change their minds

So you actually do get it. That is good to hear, I thought you were completely oblivious

 

[davmat787]

I don't know what you want me to take from that post davmat787
Yes, fanatics of all sorts consider themselves righteous
They post here everyday and there is nothing you can say to change their minds

Take from it what you will or won't, it wasn't authored in disagreement with you.

Just pointing out there are members of almost any group, such as liberal or conservative, or religious like Islam or Christian who don't adhere to the definitions or teachings yet they fully identify by membership to the respective group and almost always are held accountable as such.

Why do many put so much effort into saying ISIS or AQ or whatever the latest Muslim fanatics call their club aren't really Muslims or Islamic?

They would likely kill anyone in a second who suggested such in person to them.

Just curious really, it doesn't matter in the end what either of us label them as, what matters is what they consider themselves and the vast majority of people will identify them the same.

As you say you can't change fanatics minds with words, usually it takes lead and incendiaries from 30000 feet when these fanatics turn to brutality.

Cheers from your friendly state of Washington just to the south.

 

[Orignal Earl]

So you actually do get it. That is good to hear, I thought you were completely oblivious

Oblivious to what?
Jesus, I've watched fanatics post the same crazy here for a decade now
I've never known a religious person who was taught by their church/mosque/temple to kill though, quite the opposite actually

 

[davmat787]

Oblivious to what?
Jesus, I've watched fanatics post the same crazy here for a decade now
I've never known a religious person who was taught by their church/mosque/temple to kill though, quite the opposite actually

I'm sure there are many examples of sanctioned killing from multiple religions a long time ago.

These days isn't a Fatwa directing the killing of someone sanctioned killing by a religion?

 

[Orignal Earl]

I'm sure there are many examples of sanctioned killing from multiple religions a long time ago.

These days isn't a Fatwa directing the killing of someone sanctioned killing by a religion?

A fatwa is an opinion, Sheik George can issue a fatwa that Sheik Charlie in the next village will laugh at

Cheers back at ya from north and east of you in Sask

 

[davmat787]

A fatwa is an opinion, Sheik George can issue a fatwa that Sheik Charlie in the next village will laugh at

Cheers back at ya from north and east of you in Sask

Thought you were north of me in BC, my mistake. You're east of the Okanogan area then right? Love the Okanogan areas of Washington and Canadia.

And I think a Fatwa carries more weight to Muslims than some random opinion.

A fatwā (Arabic: فتوى‎; plural fatāwā Arabic: فتاوى&#8206 in the Islamic faith is the term for the legal opinion or learned interpretation that the Sheikhul Islam, a qualified jurist or mufti, can give on issues pertaining to the Islamic law.[1]

And please don't think I am trying for some anti Muslim gotcha moment. I'm fully aware as a citizen of the U.S. that I am way more likely to be killed by police officer than terrorist lol.