Religion of Peace

nickqt

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Sharia Law no-go zones, right?

http://dangerousminds.net/comments/freedumb_fried_fox_news_gets_ridiculed_by_the_french

Are you really, really terrified of Muslims and Islam? Are you constantly being harassed by Muslims? Is your country constantly being serviced by flying death robots?

Because the average Muslim living in the middle east probably watches the same types of videos regarding the US and Christianity.

Us vs. Them. My tribe, right or wrong.
 

Tombstone1881

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The Christian Crusades... Burning Witches at the stake in the name of Christianity.

Religious extremists of any stripe are dangerous and insane.
You can't condemn an entire religion because of a handful of insaniacs.
 

JEDIYoda

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The Christian Crusades... Burning Witches at the stake in the name of Christianity.

Religious extremists of any stripe are dangerous and insane.
You can't condemn an entire religion because of a handful of insaniacs.

The problem with what you posted was it has nothing at all to do with what the OP posted!

It has everything to do with ignorance and using a totally false equivalency to try to down play what is actually happening in the world at present!

The past no matter how bad it was, does not have any bearing on what ISIS or other Muslims around the world are doing!
 

nickqt

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The problem with what you posted was it has nothing at all to do with what the OP posted!

It has everything to do with ignorance and using a totally false equivalency to try to down play what is actually happening in the world at present!

The past no matter how bad it was, does not have any bearing on what ISIS or other Muslims around the world are doing!

Should Muslims have to wear a badge with a crescent moon and star on it? Just so we can keep track of them, nothing heinous or anything.
 

Black Octagon

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Well that was an utter waste of 20 minutes. Anyone who interprets that first video as Obama 'admitting' (or stating, or even implying) that he is Muslim is idiotic. That's not intended as an insult. It's an observation that I make with genuine sadness.

As to the second video, I can only imagine the OP included it so as to add to our shock when we finally get to the awful scene in the final/Facebook video.

Islam didn't commit the awful act in that scene. Neither did terrorism. Individuals did. They committed a terrorist act, in the name of Islam. Whether Islam supports what they did or not (hint: it f-ing doesn't!), the point is to hold individuals accountable. Not whole religions. Not abstract nouns. Specific people doing specific things.
 

Black Octagon

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...and I can't resist to point out this:

Apart from the frequent reliance on Fox 'News' in that first video, the author is an ignoramus. Take the scene where Obama "visits a mosque" in Turkey.

The place he is actually visiting is Hagia Sophia in Istanbul's old town. It used to be a mosque...80 YEARS AGO. Prior to that it was a Greek Orthodox church. Since 1935 it has been a museum. I've visited it. It's one of the most popular tourist attractions in Europe, and no trip to Istanbul is complete without seeing it.

More to the point: SO WHAT if it were still a real mosque? Would Gandhi be a Christian simply for visiting St Peter's basilica during a visit to Rome? Of course not.

People need to THINK more. Sheesh
 

Hayabusa Rider

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The Christian Crusades... Burning Witches at the stake in the name of Christianity.

Religious extremists of any stripe are dangerous and insane.
You can't condemn an entire religion because of a handful of insaniacs.

No, you can't condemn an entire religion. You also can't keep bring up the Crusades or the Inquisition because those are from times when there was no other way of thinking available a half a century or more in the past. The world today is not camels and the Black Plague and knights and feudalist Europe. Today we have social media and news going about everywhere, except the oppressive anti-religious countries like China and NK. But then again you cannot rule out the widespread idea that a religion is compatible with suicide bombings. That's a problem that goes far beyond the religion, but it is real, and it is today, not in the time of Charles Martel.
 

schmuckley

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Well that was an utter waste of 20 minutes. Anyone who interprets that first video as Obama 'admitting' (or stating, or even implying) that he is Muslim is idiotic. That's not intended as an insult. It's an observation that I make with genuine sadness.

As to the second video, I can only imagine the OP included it so as to add to our shock when we finally get to the awful scene in the final/Facebook video.

Islam didn't commit the awful act in that scene. Neither did terrorism. Individuals did. They committed a terrorist act, in the name of Islam. Whether Islam supports what they did or not (hint: it f-ing doesn't!), the point is to hold individuals accountable. Not whole religions. Not abstract nouns. Specific people doing specific things.

http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/quran/023-violence.htm

According to the Quran;It does.

You have to understand where/when Islam was started to get the whole picture.
The definition of Islam is "surrender" or "submission"
http://www.patheos.com/Library/Islam.html

Hmm..That article says 700 A.D. (That's right..A.D. )
:mad: politically correct altering of what we call time in order to deny the existence of Jesus.Of which there are many instances in texts other than the bible from same time period.To learn more on that,look up "Newspeak"
The conversion to B.C.E and A.C.E was to remove Christ from being spoken of.
Before it was "B.C" (Before Christ) and "A.D" Anno Domini (Latin for "In the year of the Lord") Does that "Year of the Lord" sound familiar? http://www.philipvickersfithian.com/2011/05/us-constitution-and-year-of-our-lord.html

..anyway..
It goes back a bit further than that..but not more than 200 years.Basically Mohammed took what was a true religion and corrupted it into something vile.
 
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Black Octagon

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I've had that page (and that site) thrown at me before. If you look on that site, they name their editor ("Glen Roberts," whoever that is) but don't say much else about who writes the pages, what their credentials are, and so on. So we are asked to take a leap of faith and believe that this site is written by people who know what they are on about, and can cite the Koran in proper context. I don't believe the site gives me anywhere near enough evidence why I should take that leap of faith. I can, however, consider the views of others who have highlighted various problems with that site, and you should too.

Now, for a take on whether the Koran justifies killing, by a site run by actual Islamic scholars:

http://www.justaskislam.com/32/does-islam-say-kill-the-infidels/

Here, I'll even extract some of the most relevant bits:

Does Islam Say: "Kill The Infidels"?

Someone said, "Your Quran says to kill all the Jews and Christians..", how do we answer harsh question and attacks against Islam?


This is absolutely not true and it is quite easy to prove.


We know the Quran orders believers to fight in combat against those who are the oppressors, aggressors and terrorists and those who are assaulting and killing the innocent men, women and children. But it gives out clear orders - NOT TO Fight against those who are not fighting against you...

There is not such a meaning in the Quran, ordering or even permitting the Muslims to ever attack innocent people whether they are Christians, Jews, or any other faith for that matter.

Combat is only ordered against those who are attacking or killing the innocent Muslims or fighting against the established Muslim state.

The word used most often in Quran, that is so often mistranslated as kill; slay; or slaughter is not jihad, it is Qital and if you look to the Arabic, you will quickly understand this word in today's usage would clearly be combat.

Scholars of Quran tell us the verses dealing with this topic are specific and not intended to imply a general meaning for just anyone to decide to go around combating non-Muslims. The early Muslims had been driven out of their homes and turned out into the desert to starve. After finally, relocating in Medina, verses came in Quran instructing them to make hajj (pilgrimage) back to Makkah. Finding their way blocked and after several years of making agreements and treaties that the others continually broke, the Muslims were at last, told they could now fight in combat against the tyrants who had so horribly mistreated and abused them in the past. However, this would only be acceptable to Allah if they remained within very specific limitations. The word "Qital" in Arabic in this instance refers to "combat" rather than what some have used "kill" because the word "kill" is far to general, while the word "combat" appropriately describes what is intended by the usage in this passage. Allah Knows Best.

It should also be noted the usage of the word "Fitnah" in the same verse denotes a horrible condition, not unlike what we find today when there is terrorism and tyranny against the moral and just society at large. It would be easy to properly understand the meaning as, "Engage them in combat, even killing them, until the state of "Fitnah" (terrorism) no longer exists in the society and people are free to worship Allah by their choice."

We can see these verse are not designed to promote terrorism, but rather these are very orders from Above to the Muslims to be the first of those who stand out aggressively against all forms of terrorism and oppression.
I'm the first to admit that extremist and diseased minds can twist these messages. They just have to convince themselves that the objects of their hatred are aggressors and oppressors (e.g., occupying military forces, puppet dictators installed by Western "imperialistsm" and so on). But they'd be twisting the message and the context of what the Koran actually says.

Given this ability to mis-interpret the Koran, I advise you to read and listen to the interpretations of actual Islamic scholars, and not some randon Western dude called "Glen" who runs an anti-Muslim hate site.

(assuming, of course, that you're genuinely interested in exploring this subject seriously)
 

TreVader

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There is absolutely nothing in the Islamic religion that supports suicide bombing.



Why don't we blame Judaism for Israeli cluster munitions while we are blaming religions for modern geopolitical problems.
 
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http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/quran/023-violence.htm

According to the Quran;It does.

You have to understand where/when Islam was started to get the whole picture.
The definition of Islam is "surrender" or "submission"
http://www.patheos.com/Library/Islam.html

Hmm..That article says 700 A.D. (That's right..A.D. )
:mad: politically correct altering of what we call time in order to deny the existence of Jesus.Of which there are many instances in texts other than the bible from same time period.To learn more on that,look up "Newspeak"
The conversion to B.C.E and A.C.E was to remove Christ from being spoken of.
Before it was "B.C" (Before Christ) and "A.D" Anno Domini (Latin for "In the year of the Lord") Does that "Year of the Lord" sound familiar? http://www.philipvickersfithian.com/2011/05/us-constitution-and-year-of-our-lord.html

..anyway..
It goes back a bit further than that..but not more than 200 years.Basically Mohammed took what was a true religion and corrupted it into something vile.

How the hell would *you* know? You've read a couple of articles on the internet? Wow!

btw, 'Common Era' as a concept/phrase can be traced back to the early 1600's.
 

schmuckley

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How the hell would *you* know? You've read a couple of articles on the internet? Wow!

btw, 'Common Era' as a concept/phrase can be traced back to the early 1600's.

No mention of "Common Era" in the pre-2000 reference book :p
Also..If you read,even the Muslims use the same time method.See page 2 for "Anno Domini" mention.

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http://imgur.com/oqa3ew5,oFj0frs,SlzNUEj

While I agree that the link with all the Quran quotes/rhetoric is not the best source due to heavy bias;The fact remains that all of those quotes are taken directly from the Quran.

I've read through them..there's a few taken out of context for sure,that doesn't change the fact that more than a majority of them are NOT.
 

alzan

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http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/quran/023-violence.htm

According to the Quran;It does.

You have to understand where/when Islam was started to get the whole picture.
The definition of Islam is "surrender" or "submission"
http://www.patheos.com/Library/Islam.html

Hmm..That article says 700 A.D. (That's right..A.D. )
:mad: politically correct altering of what we call time in order to deny the existence of Jesus.Of which there are many instances in texts other than the bible from same time period.To learn more on that,look up "Newspeak"
The conversion to B.C.E and A.C.E was to remove Christ from being spoken of.
Before it was "B.C" (Before Christ) and "A.D" Anno Domini (Latin for "In the year of the Lord") Does that "Year of the Lord" sound familiar? http://www.philipvickersfithian.com/2011/05/us-constitution-and-year-of-our-lord.html

..anyway..
It goes back a bit further than that..but not more than 200 years.Basically Mohammed took what was a true religion and corrupted it into something vile.

Actually it's some Western "scholars" and their predominate religion, along with some easily duped internet surfers that have taken Islam and corrupted it into something vile.

You know, you really don't have to keep proving to us how apropos your user name is; we get it.
 

schmuckley

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Actually it's some Western "scholars" and their predominate religion, along with some easily duped internet surfers that have taken Islam and corrupted it into something vile.

You know, you really don't have to keep proving to us how apropos your user name is; we get it.

Because those Western "scholars" and their predominate religion are the ones strapping remote bombs onto 11-year old kidnapped girls,amirite?
Don't forget slaughtering whole villages,and killing people because they're Jewish or won't conform to their warped religion.

owait..that's not "Western" religion..that's Islam.

http://www.wsj.com/articles/islamic-state-calls-on-western-muslims-to-commit-more-attacks-1422286553

I don't know about you,but I see "Islam" in that "Islamic-state"

This just in..The Kurds beat them back some :D

http://news.yahoo.com/activists-kurds-islamic-state-group-nearly-kobani-114527249.html

The definition of Islam="Surrender to Allah" ..and the Quran says to spread Islam by force,guile,extortion,or death.
 
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smackababy

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Interestingly enough, it was the idiots trying to demonize Islam that claim it translated to "Religion of Peace" and continue to push that nonsense.
 

alzan

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Because those Western "scholars" and their predominate religion are the ones strapping remote bombs onto 11-year old kidnapped girls,amirite?
Don't forget slaughtering whole villages,and killing people because they're Jewish or won't conform to their warped religion.

owait..that's not "Western" religion..that's Islam.

http://www.wsj.com/articles/islamic-state-calls-on-western-muslims-to-commit-more-attacks-1422286553

I don't know about you,but I see "Islam" in that "Islamic-state"

No, that's a relative few followers of a bastardized version of Islam. I know it's easier to paint with a mile-wide brush but you do have to stay within the lines to be accurate.

Killing people because of different religion? Sorry, that started long before Islam; as one example of many see the OT in the Bible. More modern day (sorry, Common Era) see Hitler and his "Gott Mit Uns" soldiers.

I'm sure you see "Islam" everywhere you look; Incorruptible, is that you?
 

Orignal Earl

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Because those Western "scholars" and their predominate religion are the ones strapping remote bombs onto 11-year old kidnapped girls,amirite?
Don't forget slaughtering whole villages,and killing people because they're Jewish or won't conform to their warped religion.

owait..that's not "Western" religion..that's Islam.

http://www.wsj.com/articles/islamic-state-calls-on-western-muslims-to-commit-more-attacks-1422286553

I don't know about you,but I see "Islam" in that "Islamic-state"

This just in..The Kurds beat them back some :D

http://news.yahoo.com/activists-kurds-islamic-state-group-nearly-kobani-114527249.html

The definition of Islam="Surrender to Allah" ..and the Quran says to spread Islam by force,guile,extortion,or death.

obedient-surrender2.png


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schmuckley

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No, that's a relative few followers of a bastardized version of Islam. I know it's easier to paint with a mile-wide brush but you do have to stay within the lines to be accurate.

Killing people because of different religion? Sorry, that started long before Islam; as one example of many see the OT in the Bible. More modern day (sorry, Common Era) see Hitler and his "Gott Mit Uns" soldiers.

I'm sure you see "Islam" everywhere you look; Incorruptible, is that you?

Yep,every day in the news:Boko Haram,Isis.."unknown shouting "allahu ahkbar"
all Islamic.
 
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