Religion of Peace sieges Church in Iraq, 58 dead

[Craig234]

Supporting this evil while sitting at home safe is most definently more evil than their wrongdoings so yes, you are one poster in this thread that is more evil than them.

Except you're a liar.

What you say I said: "Supporting this evil while sitting at home safe"

What I actually said, the opposite: "This is not to defend the terrible acts of people who do things like this church violence"

Note, I did not accuse you, who are actually out doing violence, of being bad like those posters here who are not, but who are supporting wrongful violence.

Just of being a liar.

There is not one ounce of truth in that statement, the US never supported Al Quaida nor did any other nation, the ONLY ones who ever supported Al Qauida is the Taliban, the murdering torturing scum that you think should be allowed to negotiate over how many 8 year old girls they can rape and torture a week.

Wrong again.

First, you lie again. I oppose the terrible Taliban and such acts, and have said so repeatedly.

Second, the US absolutely did support the extremist Islamists, who went on to form the Taliban, Al Queda, and other groups.

Remember what our National Security Advisor said in an interview later, where he revealed how we did so, in answer to a question whether he felt that this had been a bad idea in light of later developments of how the people we supported went on to forum these militant organizations - he said that the benefits of hurting the Soviets was larger than any problems caused by Islamic extremists.

You still need to read a book like "Devil's Game" and get informed about the century of history of largely England helping strengthen groups like the Muslim Brotherhood for their short-term interests in building opposition to arab nationalists, that did so much to help build the situation we have today.

You are not only a liar but a disgusting one for the suggestion of supporting the rape of 8 year old girls. I will not respond in kind, but leave you exposed in the mud.

 

[Craig234]

Arabs killing Arabs, guys like you should love this no matter what BS fantasy they believe in.

Which is the basic history of the Iraq-Iran war, the longest major war of the 20th century, with the US pushing Saddam to invade Iran in a cynical and murderous policy.

 

[JohnOfSheffield]

Except you're a liar.

What you say I said: "Supporting this evil while sitting at home safe"

What I actually said, the opposite: "This is not to defend the terrible acts of people who do things like this church violence"

Note, I did not accuse you, who are actually out doing violence, of being bad like those posters here who are not, but who are supporting wrongful violence.

Just of being a liar.

Excusing them without condemning them DOES mean that you support them on the whole, if you can't get that, piss off.

Wrong again.

First, you lie again. I oppose the terrible Taliban and such acts, and have said so repeatedly.

And yet you are for negotiations with them.

Second, the US absolutely did support the extremist Islamists, who went on to form the Taliban, Al Queda, and other groups.

This has become a rather popular lie but it's not true, the Mujahedeen soldiers did not retire to become the Taliban and Al Quaida wasn't even born in Afghanistan but was created from several different leaders who all hate the US interference in SA, to say the US supported them is so stupid that i wonder how you ever managed to get on the net.

Remember what our National Security Advisor said in an interview later, where he revealed how we did so, in answer to a question whether he felt that this had been a bad idea in light of later developments of how the people we supported went on to forum these militant organizations - he said that the benefits of hurting the Soviets was larger than any problems caused by Islamic extremists.

No, no and last but not least, no.

You still need to read a book like "Devil's Game" and get informed about the century of history of largely England helping strengthen groups like the Muslim Brotherhood for their short-term interests in building opposition to arab nationalists, that did so much to help build the situation we have today.

Yeah, becaus history, REAL history, is not at all as important to learn as the opinions of bullshitters with an agenda of trying to put blame away from those who are actually responsible for it. In short, if you want to learn history, go to the history books, son.

You are not only a liar but a disgusting one for the suggestion of supporting the rape of 8 year old girls. I will not respond in kind, but leave you exposed in the mud.

Sure you do, you are supporting negotiations with the Talibans which means their reign of terror will proceed.

I'll give you one more inch of rope here though, perhaps you want the Taliban eradicated before Afghanistan is abandoned and see no future for Afghanistan with the Taliban in it?

Is that you position, because if it isn't, then yes, you are for the raping and torturing of 8 year old girls because that is the inevitable result of such a deal.

 

[JohnOfSheffield]

Which is the basic history of the Iraq-Iran war, the longest major war of the 20th century, with the US pushing Saddam to invade Iran in a cynical and murderous policy.

Heh, no, what happened was that SH wanted to invade Iran and asked the US for help, not the other way around.

The meeting came after the initial invasion, but i'm sure you can fuck around with dates as much as you do with other facts.

 

[Amused]

Which is the basic history of the Iraq-Iran war, the longest major war of the 20th century, with the US pushing Saddam to invade Iran in a cynical and murderous policy.

OMFG Craig. Seriously???

The US didn't become involved in arming Iraq until 2 years after Iraq invaded Iran. Sadam only assumed a "greenlight" from the west after the hostage crisis. No one "pushed" him to do anything. Try reading objective history, will you???

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_support_for_Iraq_during_the_Iran–Iraq_war

 

[peonyu]

Most posters in this thread are ignorant, bigoted, hateful and evil people who in ways are worse than the people who are doing the violence in this incident.



Who beefed up the Al-Queda type organizations when it suited our power interests? We did. Who partenered with fundamentalist Islam who support these groups when it suited their power interests? The Saud family. Before them? The British, in order to build allies and divide the nations they wanted to conquer.

'Respectable people' in this country supported slavery. 'Respectable people' in Germany - and elsewhere - supported the Nazis. 'Respectable people' here are bigots.

What does that have to do with Iraqi Christians ? Their ancestors were practicing Christianity in that land before Muhammed was in diapers, and they have zero to do with the West outside of being Christians like most westerners are.

What happened in Iraq is the same as if a Mosque was sieged in New york city and 60 American born Muslims were slaughtered. Would that be justified ? Just blame it on 9/11.

 

[JohnOfSheffield]

What does that have to do with Iraqi Christians ? Their ancestors were practicing Christianity in that land before Muhammed was in diapers, and they have zero to do with the West outside of being Christians like most westerners are.

I'd say it does have something to do with the war that supposedly Christian nations have waged upon them, you and me get that we're secular nations but you know as well as i do that they don't nor do their religious leaders hold back when exclaiming that that is exactly how it is.

What happened in Iraq is the same as if a Mosque was sieged in New york city and 60 American born Muslims were slaughtered. Would that be justified ? Just blame it on 9/11.

If the US was a shithole like Iraq is and the education levels of the perpetrators were that of what these terrorists have then yeah, it would be the same thing, the US would fight those Christians though and Iraqis were fighting those Muslims too.

Justification is irrelevant either way.

 

[al981]

"mission accomplished" -bush wookie.

 

[JohnOfSheffield]

Bigots overlook facts that are obvious and known to others.

One fact here is that Al Quaeda did the killing of these Christians.

Another is that Al Quaeda practices an extreme form of Islam not shared my most Muslims.

What these facts mean to anybody with a functioning brain is that Islam didn't kill those Christians. They were killed by folk who practice a deviant form of Islam not mainstream Islam.

We also know that the Phelps family represent all Christians. Christians are real assholes.

What it means to me is that terrorist attacked and killed innocents, that's ALL it means to me.

 

[jhu]

For the record, Iran and Iraq may have brown-skinned people, but Iranians are not Arabs!

 

[JohnOfSheffield]

For the record, Iran and Iraq may have brown-skinned people, but Iranians are not Arabs!

Some are.

 

[werepossum]

Trolls on an internet forum typing away in their parent's basement are worse than a militant extremist building bombs near where his wife and children sleep for use against innocents?

/wipes tear from his eye

I love this forum.

Hey, at least he added "in ways" this time. Kudos to his therapist (and to the court that no doubt ordered it.)