Religion is the only thing that stops the poor from murdering the rich

[Nitemare]

Saw this on a bumpersticker in the parking lot this morning...

Anyone know if it is sarcasm or wtf it means?

 

[bobbybe01]

Are you a rich atheist? (pulls out gun)

 

[Fausto]

That's actually somewhat funny.

 

[Kenazo]

it's also justified a lot of exploitation of the poor by the rich.

 

[DWW]

heh it is probably true for lots of ghetto folk

Hell, religion keeps most gang bangers and rappers from killing more than they already do. Which brings up a question of mine, why do rappers always talk about God (and wear $100,000 catholic & anglican crosses) but also about "cappin a foo" and "killin trifflin' hos" ?

 

[bobbybe01]

Hell, religion keeps most gang bangers and rappers from killing more than they already do. Which brings up a question of mine, why do rappers always talk about God (and wear $100,000 catholic & anglican crosses) but also about "cappin a foo" and "killin trifflin' hos" ?

Because Jesus died so they could wear big, exspensive gold crosses...

 

[Amused]

Morality stems from self preservation within a society. Though religion may be used to sell it to people who cannot understand the concept, one does not need a god or religion to explain how and why humans developed morality.

 

[iamwiz82]

Originally posted by: Amused
Morality stems from self preservation within a society. Though religion may be used to sell it to people who cannot understand the concept, one does not need a god or religion to explain how and why humans developed morality.

Well said. People act moral because they fear the unknown.

 

[Biggerhammer]

Originally posted by: iamwiz82

Originally posted by: Amused
Morality stems from self preservation within a society. Though religion may be used to sell it to people who cannot understand the concept, one does not need a god or religion to explain how and why humans developed morality.

Well said. People act moral because they fear the unknown.

That's a level of cynicism that I hadn't seen here before, and that's saying something.

With your sweeping statement you condemn every person with morality. Bravo.

 

[shenaniganz]

I think the law is a big deterrent as well.

 

[Amused]

Originally posted by: iamwiz82

Originally posted by: Amused
Morality stems from self preservation within a society. Though religion may be used to sell it to people who cannot understand the concept, one does not need a god or religion to explain how and why humans developed morality.

Well said. People act moral because they fear the unknown.

No, people act moral because they fear death and loss of property. They fear the all too well known.

Morality exists because people fear being murdered, robbed, etc. So they make these things immoral. Anything the majority does not want done to them, becomes "immoral."

It's just the golden rule enforced by majority opinion within a society.

 

[bobbybe01]

Well said. People act moral because they fear the unknown.

Boo! So people act immoral because they either know, or because they don't care? Not everyone that has morals are ignorant beyotches being puppeted by somebody.

 

[Nitemare]

Originally posted by: bobbybe01

Hell, religion keeps most gang bangers and rappers from killing more than they already do. Which brings up a question of mine, why do rappers always talk about God (and wear $100,000 catholic & anglican crosses) but also about "cappin a foo" and "killin trifflin' hos" ?

Because Jesus died so they could wear big, exspensive gold crosses...

and smack around those big booty ho's

So if it weren't for religion, the poor would be wasting all their money and resources on drugs, alcohol, tobacco, firearms, and lotto tickets as opposed to titheing the church?


:evil:

 

[Sundog]

Originally posted by: shenaniganz
I think the law is a big deterrent as well.

And what is the law based from? Religion

 

[Amused]

Originally posted by: Sundog

Originally posted by: shenaniganz
I think the law is a big deterrent as well.

And what is the law based from? Religion

Again, morality, while preached by religion, is not derived from religion, but by a common need for social order and security.

 

Oh boy another morality dicussion.
Time for the absolutists to battle the relativists.

opcorn;

 

[Amused]

Originally posted by: SampSon
Oh boy another morality dicussion.
Time for the absolutists to battle the relativists.

opcorn;

Not really. This is a discussion about the roots of morality. Not the application of it.

 

[TheShiz]

back in the day religion was a way of controlling the masses, obviously. It still is to a degree, but the dominating force now is the state. the rich fear the poor, they did a long time ago, they do today. The poor have less to lose, and they are less threatening if they actually believe in heaven and hell.

 

[shenaniganz]

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: SampSon
Oh boy another morality dicussion.
Time for the absolutists to battle the relativists.

opcorn;

Not really. This is a discussion about the roots of morality. Not the application of it.

Actually, I thought it was a discussion about a bumper sticker.

 

[Kenazo]

Originally posted by: DWW
heh it is probably true for lots of ghetto folk

Hell, religion keeps most gang bangers and rappers from killing more than they already do. Which brings up a question of mine, why do rappers always talk about God (and wear $100,000 catholic & anglican crosses) but also about "cappin a foo" and "killin trifflin' hos" ?

Ha ha. Reminds me of this standup comedy bit by Pablo Francisco clip

 

[Amused]

Originally posted by: shenaniganz

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: SampSon
Oh boy another morality dicussion.
Time for the absolutists to battle the relativists.

opcorn;

Not really. This is a discussion about the roots of morality. Not the application of it.

Actually, I thought it was a discussion about a bumper sticker.

A bumper sticker making the claim that all morality stems from, and is dependant on religion.

 

[jjones]

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: Sundog

Originally posted by: shenaniganz
I think the law is a big deterrent as well.

And what is the law based from? Religion

Again, morality, while preached by religion, is not derived from religion, but by a common need for social order and security.

That's why a get a pretty good laugh when people think that you cannot be a moral person without being a religious person, as if religion is the foundation of morality.

 

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: SampSon
Oh boy another morality dicussion.
Time for the absolutists to battle the relativists.

opcorn;

Not really. This is a discussion about the roots of morality. Not the application of it.

A few comments have been made that start to stray from that topic.
Soon enough it will naturally flow into that. Keep it going as long as ya can.

I'll add in my two cents, be it on topic or not.

Religion was created because humans are afraid of their mortality. That stems from self-preservation which in-turn causes morals to be created.

Religion is the reason for morals!! Or the bumber sticker.

 

[RobCur]

Originally posted by: Kenazo
it's also justified a lot of exploitation of the poor by the rich.

we are promised eternal life for our good deeds, but you know like any promise it can be broken anytime, anywhere, any place... how come soldiers who kill women and children don't go to hell but if as a civilian, he/she would be jailed, and comdemn to hell for all eternity whether it was justified or not.
too bad all government are atheist and they have no belief, so their is no sin regardless of their own foolish action against those who oppose their rule.

 

[Mucho]

I doubt its morality that prevent people from running amock I think its retribution that keep us in check.