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Religion - Guns - Politics - Morals

Religion - To Each his own

Guns - You cannot uninvent a 500+ year old technology simply by banning it

Politics - Necessary evil

Morals - A society cannot survive without them.
 
I'll have to disagree. I know I've changed my mind about some of the things you listed before, and would not be opposed to doing so again if you can convince me. 🙂
 
Originally posted by: Ameesh
i love how you couple guns with religion.
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All four items in the subject line fall under the same catagory of belief.

If you believe, then no arguement will change your mind. If you don't, no evidence or proof will matter.

That carries over to your belief in government, guns, morals, and religion. I for example believe in the basic right to own weapons.

There is no debate you can make, no arguement you can offer that is going to change my mind. That is why it is like religion.

Ditto with politics and morals.

Hopper
 
Originally posted by: Amused
Religion - To Each his own
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Agreed...

Guns - You cannot uninvent a 500+ year old technology simply by banning it
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Factually correct, but since when have facts mattered? 😀

Politics - Necessary evil
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That isn't what I meant. Instead it has more to do with what you believe your government should be, and should not be responsible for.

Morals - A society cannot survive without them.
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Yes, but that misses the point. What the word "morals" means changes from person to person.

Hopper
 
Originally posted by: Cuda1447
I didn't understand the original post. Where you trying to say they were all bad?
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No, this is not a "good" or "bad" issue.

My point is that if you believe and have faith that you're right, the debate is meaningless because a debate will not change your mind.

For example, I'm pro-life and anti-abortion, except in the case of rape, incest, and when the mother's life is in danger. No arguement you offer, no logic you use, no facts you present, are going to change my mind. I believe it is wrong to murder an unborn child, period.

You may feel otherwise, which is fine and is your right, but don't think a well reasoned or thought out arguement has a chance in hell of changing my mind.

Hopper
 
Originally posted by: BatmanNate
I'll have to disagree. I know I've changed my mind about some of the things you listed before, and would not be opposed to doing so again if you can convince me. 🙂
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Then you don't really believe...

If someone can change your mind on something really imporant like religion, then your faith is based more on what others believe than on what you believe.

If you believe in God, nothing anyone says is going to change that. If you don't, no arguement in favor will have any effect.

Hopper
 
Originally posted by: Grasshopper27
Originally posted by: BatmanNate
I'll have to disagree. I know I've changed my mind about some of the things you listed before, and would not be opposed to doing so again if you can convince me. 🙂
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Then you don't really believe...

If someone can change your mind on something really imporant like religion, then your faith is based more on what others believe than on what you believe.

If you believe in God, nothing anyone says is going to change that. If you don't, no arguement in favor will have any effect.

Hopper
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Your wrong. Sorry, but your wrong.



Didnt people believe the world was flat? Everyone believed it. Until times changed and then everyone found out it was round. Now everyone believes its round.

*edit* I may be wrong too. Cause I see you pointed out something important like religion. But I still believe your mind can be changed on anything, given the evidence is convincing enough.
 
Originally posted by: Cuda1447
Your wrong. Sorry, but your wrong.
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It's "You're", not "Your"

You're is short for "You are", as in "You are wrong"

Please learn proper grammer. 🙂

Now back to the reply in question:

Didnt people believe the world was flat?
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Where does that fit into one of the four items in the subject line?

This does not apply to everything in life, just a few different subject areas. Religion is the first area and most obvious, guns, politics, and morals are other areas where this applies.

The issue of, "is the world flat or not?" is not part of those four areas.

*edit* I may be wrong too. Cause I see you pointed out something important like religion. But I still believe your mind can be changed on anything, given the evidence is convincing enough.
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You will never convince me that murdering a child is acceptable. You cannot, and never will be able to produce evidence that will change my mind about that.

That is the sort of thing I'm talking about here. Not how big a building can be built, or how fast a CPU can be made to go, etc.

How about this one, "Are we alone in the Universe?" That is one that ultimately should be answerable, but not within our life time, so it becomes a matter of faith. I personally believe there are thousands, if not millions of inteligent civilizations out in the Universe. I have no facts to prove it, I simply believe it. Again, nothing you say, no evidence you can present, will change my belief.

Hopper
 
Originally posted by: Grasshopper27
Guns - You cannot uninvent a 500+ year old technology simply by banning it
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Factually correct, but since when have facts mattered? 😀
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Japan, starting in the year 1614 and lasting until 1853, came pretty close to doing just that.
 
Originally posted by: Grasshopper27


If someone can change your mind on something really imporant like religion, then your faith is based more on what others believe than on what you believe.
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I think the word for that is "stubborn and pigheaded". Nobody is born with an inherent concept of religion, whether your faith comes at 5 or 55 matters little. At some point, some external force will influence you.
 
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