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Relavence of add-on NICs

Sp12

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How bad is integrated motherboard internet? Would a dedicated (likely Intel) NIC actually reduce latency/CPU use or increase throughput?

Are onboard NICs actual hardware or do they all steal CPU cycles? Any specific chips better than others?

Does anyone know of any sub 100$ parts that have a full TCP offload engine?
 
Im running the above Intel NIC in my server and it works flawlessly and at full speeds(80-85MB/sec). Would highly recommend it.

The onboard realtek/Marvell is good as well though and im using it on all my desktops/HTPC, it can sustain 60MB/sec or better. The onboard realtek starts to suffer only when trying to sustain multiple large transfers but who does that often on a desktop.

Ping times for both when gaming is within 5% so basically the same.
 
I've had good experiences similar to Rifterut with the Intel PT NICs. Broadcom onboard NICs have worked pretty well, but are around 10MB/sec slower than the Intel to Intel transfers and use a bit more CPU overhead.
 
Another voucher for Intel NICs. 82574 based ones are around $30 at the Egg, and 82572 based ones are usually $70~80. For surfing the web or moving files one at a time around the network, they don't make no difference from onboard realtek/marvell controllers.

But for anything more than that, the difference can be quite dramatic. I won't detail such scenarios but they're well worth the money if you happen to run many concurrent connections. I am not sure about "Full" offload, but they do offload. Thus CPU usage will be lower. 82572 based one (the one Golgatha linked above) might be your best bet.
 
I run the ~$30 PRO/1000GT PCI gigabit cards in everything (really old stuff or stuff that wont touch the network much get my old PRO/100S cards) and I wouldn't have it any other way. They have awful close to what the server cards have, and they aren't nearly the hit in the purse that the server ones are. The last time I checked (when I first got them a year or two ago) they did everything the server cards did as per offloading and such.
 
So generally the 30$ intel card is a significant improvement from onbaord realtek?

Is the ~80$ server version worth it?
 
short answer: HELL YES!

I will not use realtek in my systems, even when they are onboard (most of my systems have them onboard)... when I try, my system has random unreliability, packet loss, BSoDs, you name it that are impossible to track down - until I disable and stop using the realtek garbage. They are the sneaky failures in windows... all because of the craptastic realtek drivers. Linux works well with realtek, but it's still a cheaper PHY, so it simply cannot perform on par with intel cards even in linux.
 
Well, it appears that I'd be able to get better performance and reliability (my automatic backups of 50+ GBs keeps failing) out of a dedicated Intel nic.

Now my question becomes: Which one to get? The 30$ desktop card or the 80$ server card? 82574 or 82572....

Thoughts? I'd use it primarily for gaming, but do a bit of backups and HD video streaming to the Xbox/PS3/other computers around the house.
 
Well, it appears that I'd be able to get better performance and reliability (my automatic backups of 50+ GBs keeps failing) out of a dedicated Intel nic.

Now my question becomes: Which one to get? The 30$ desktop card or the 80$ server card? 82574 or 82572....

Thoughts? I'd use it primarily for gaming, but do a bit of backups and HD video streaming to the Xbox/PS3/other computers around the house.

Let's step back for a moment. Do you really think $80 NIC would make the difference? There are millions of people using onboard/generic adapters and their connection and gaming is without a hair of problem (including myself).

Also in most cases, it's the ISPs that suck.
 
Let's step back for a moment. Do you really think $80 NIC would make the difference? There are millions of people using onboard/generic adapters and their connection and gaming is without a hair of problem (including myself).

Also in most cases, it's the ISPs that suck.

While true, most people don't backup remotely at all, and even then, it doesn't really matter to them whether or not the transfer speed works.

I think I'd primarily see the benefit within my own LAN, which is pretty hectic.
 
I've been using the $30 ones and they've been great. Can't make a comparison comment because I haven't used a 82572 based one, but my network usage is quite hectic as well.

Oh, and if you decide to get one of these, get the latest drivers from Intel site. And turn off the onboard NIC once it's up and running.
 
Oh, and if you decide to get one of these, get the latest drivers from Intel site. And turn off the onboard NIC once it's up and running.
Don't do this if you are running windows 7, the PRO/1000GT drivers are what intel calls "in box", as in the best drivers they have for it came on the windows install disc and were installed automatically for (IIRC) all of their gigabit cards. Only 10Gbps cards need a downloaded driver in 7.
 
Get the desktop card, its fine. I've been using it for about a year with.

Linux drivers work out of the box no need for updates, cant comment on windows drivers since i stick with linux on all my personal servers(who can afford a windows server OS for personal).
 
If you are having failing transfers I would look at all the elements of your network. Are you using good switches, wiring, etc.
 
The only time I see real problems with the cheapo on-board NICS anymore is on systems that have had their clock speeds played with a lot (like in overclocking), since they are often tied directly to system clock values. For the price you pay for them, they work great.

The problem with NIC testing is that you are contrained in speed and reliability by the worst device on the network. For most internet users, the bottleneck is usually the crappy gateway/multi-port router/switches ISP's sell you. For internal-only LAN connectivity, it is usually the cheapo hub/switch (often the same crappy gateway/multi-point router/switch) between the PC's.

Even if you have great in-between devices, for NIC's to test/work best, you really need the exact same NICs or onboard chips on each end of the connection points to make true apples to apples comparisons. Having a kick-ass NIC on one machine connecting to a cheapo NIC on another machine doesn't tell you much about either NIC's true performance. Even better when "testing" NIC's is a using a straight cross-over cable to connect them, thus alleviating any outside influences.

So basically, yes, a better add-on NIC tends to be better than cheapo on-board NIC, but only when coupled with other better add-on NIC's and good in-between equipment, for most "home" (re: not traffic smashed) LANs.

If you are simply having issues with a particular PC failing with backups across a network, I would try changing some settings on the NIC before swapping out hardware left and right. Assuming it's a typicval 10/100/1000 on-board NIC with full duplex, their are a LOT of settings you can change to try and improve reliability. For example, turning off full duplex, turning off the TCP, etc offloading, flow control, jumbo frame size, and many other settings. You migh not get mazimum back and forth communication speed, but for most things (including LAN backup), you would never notice it anyway unless you are very familiar with NICs and have already "optimized" them previously..
 
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It annoys the crap out of me that we have $400 enthusiast boards with cheap Realtek onboard NICs! D:

Yes most will crap out if the PCI-E frequency is turned up past 105-110MHz. Instead of putting two onboard which 99% of the users do NOT need they should slap an Intel on there. At least a Broadcom or Marvell...
 
Yeah. I've had a couple marvell and vitesse chip boards, and I am always quite happy to see them. Anything but realtek or SiS...

While on the subject of craptastic onboard devices - what in the hell is up with putting jmicron ata controllers on boards now?
 
I use the onboard for internet, and Intel Gigabit adapters for my network.

Zero problems and perfectly reliable.
 
In my experience it's the other way. SIL stuff at least *gasp* works and at half decent speeds.
 
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